Physique Clinic discussion for USCTrojan619

[quote]wooldog wrote:
What about cookies? I noticed there are no cookies (or any deserts for that matter) in your diet. For ectos like us, is it really necessary to eat so clean? Would you mind asking Coach Thibs that?

Thanks.

wooldog[/quote]

After reading this, I thought you were joking. But after reading the whole thing, I think you’re serious.

Trying to gain mass as an ecto is hard, and fat gain is inevitable eating so big. But we’d still like to keep it as minimum as possible during this mass building stage, especially since I was one of those fat-skinny guys. Hell, I feel and look fat all the time because my stomach is so full of food and shakes.

Coach Thibs actually touched on this a little on his latest post on my Physique Clinic, telling me that since I’m trying to put on size, eating out ONCE IN A WHILE is okay, given that I’m not eating like crap for those meals, and I eat all my other meals.

I think it would be safe for me to say, w/o even asking Coach Thibs, that milk and cookies IS NOT a good idea. But like I’ve told others, there’s no one stopping you if you’d like to indulge. I have eaten nothing but what is stated on my diet for this entire month, and that’s it.

I almost wasn’t going to post an answer to this because I thought you were kidding.

[quote]TKEmemphis wrote:
USC,
For this exercise:
Press: Flat bench - Barbell - Wide grip
Are you using the Smith machine? I had to jump way down to about 95 lbs because I moved over to the free weights with no spot. [/quote]

Nope. I’m using a plain flat BB bench press station. Lately, my brother and I have just stayed in the power rack for this exercise w/ a flat bench, since we’re already in it for the potentiation exercises.

The workouts will be changing soon, but if I were to do this exercise again, I’d be using the power rack when I’m all by myself so that I can set my safety pins in case I can’t rack the weight. If I didn’t have a power rack (and no spotter), then I’d ask Coach for an alternative (like maybe the Smith or DBs).

Black Cat,

That’s a very interesting article. Other than workout days, I’m probably falling right into what they recommend. When it comes down to it, I drink water when I’m thirsty, and not anything close to what those people in the article are drinking. Do they even eat food? Haha!

I don’t know about Canada, but here in the U.S. i almost never see people eating fruits and vegetables. So I think drinking too much water is not a problem for most people.

USC,

Today was my first leg day. I learned a lot from this time in the gym. I have a huge mental barrier to get by - basically, I’m a wimp! haha

Since we don’t have SURGE Workout Fuel i have two servings of SURGE Recovery pre and during workout. I think this may actually hurt the workout as i can barely get the stuff down, then i finish with the Grow! Whey & SURGE Recovery and talk myself out of barfing the whole way home. I LOVED Surge before this! I suppose taking one serving pre and one serving during (plus all BCAA’s) would be beneficial if it means working harder!

I’m 5-10, 160. Anyone know approx how much more I should be eating since i’m 10 lbs heavier? I ate 1 lb (raw weight) of fish last night and 1 lb (raw weight) of chicken for lunch today.

And the bathroom thing, very unpleasant. It’s unpleasant about 6-7 times a day. Please adjust! I shouldn’t have a problem with lactose; i’ve downed a half gal of 2% milk and been fine. Time will tell…

My nutritional scale came in the mail today. Thanks and keep inspiring us!

[quote]TKEmemphis wrote:
USC,

Today was my first leg day. I learned a lot from this time in the gym. I have a huge mental barrier to get by - basically, i’m a wimp! haha[/quote]

I know what you mean. I dread leg days because I know how I’ll feel afterward. That kind of pain and tiredness is unmatched. Stay strong!

[quote]TKEmemphis wrote:
Since we don’t have surge fuel i have two servings of recovery pre and during workout. I think this may actually hurt the workout as i can barely get the stuff down, then i finish with the grow & recovery and talk myself out of barfing the whole way home. I LOVED surge before this! I suppose taking one serving pre and one serving during (plus all BCAA’s) would be beneficial if it means working harder![/quote]

Tell me about it. The SURGE Workout Fuel comes in Fruit Punch, and I have to mix it w/ whatever flavor of SURGE Recovery I have, which makes it even harder. First combo was Fruit Punch and Chocolate. The combo I’m on now is Fruit Punch and Original. Like I said in my Physique Clinic, I wished that SURGE was more like a Gatorade type of drink both in consistency and flavors. I say consistency because in order for me to drink my post-workout supps immediately, I don’t wait for the foam to dissipate.

Some days, I actually cringe when I sip throughout the workout because my body just doesn’t want to taste that kind of flavor in my mouth when working my ass off in the gym. I’m so accustomed to drinking/downing a sports drink during workouts, both lifting and running and its been a weird adjustment.

Regardless, I believe I’m experiencing the benefits of it, so it makes it a lot easier to love. :slight_smile: Haha! I’m hardly as sore, even after grueling ass workouts, and this is the best gains I’ve made than earlier this year when I thought I was working out hard and eating big. I’m not even close to being muscular, but still, my size and appearance is better in one month than what I remember doing one month before.

[quote]TKEmemphis wrote:
And the bathroom thing, very unpleasant. It’s unpleasant about 6-7 times a day. Please adjust! I shouldn’t have a problem with lactose; i’ve downed a half gal of 2% milk and been fine. Time will tell… [/quote]

Trust me, I know what you mean. I remember that/those day(s). From my experience, it HAS gotten better. A lot better. Just this week, I’ve actually had some solid stools–even w/ all the liquid and shakes I’m consuming. Some are still soft, and usually happen when I’ve already crapped earlier in the day. But I don’t remember when everything just “ran” out of me. And I haven’t even used any enzymes at this point in time. I think I will though, once I get home and get on a regular schedule again.

Flatulence is another thing though. Haha! I can’t still empty out a HOUSE! :)]

[quote]TKEmemphis wrote:
My nutritional scale came in the mail today. Thanks and keep inspiring us![/quote]

I’m trying my best. I love hearing from all you guys on this board. . .hearing your experiences. . .your advice. . .your blood, sweat and tears. . .trust me. . .it helps me as well.

USC,

Have you noticed an effect from the Alpha Male tabs? I ask because obviously testosterone level has a huge impact on gains, energy, intensity, morale, and recovery. I think often us fat/skinny ectos have t level issues. Have you ever tested your free t level? I know you are still relatively young, but men’s t levels start to descend (usually slowly) after they peak at around the age of 20. Have you noticed an increase in libido or any of the above?

The diet, supplements, and intense training alone should have created a perfect environment to ramp up your metabolism and probably your hormonal levels too. It may be hard for you to pinpoint the provenance of boosted metabolism/hormonal level/energy due to the fact that you made so many positive adjustments simultaneously.

[quote]Black Cat wrote:
USC,

Have you noticed an effect from the Alpha Male tabs? I ask because obviously testosterone level has a huge impact on gains, energy, intensity, morale, and recovery. I think often us fat/skinny ectos have t level issues. Have you ever tested your free t level? I know you are still relatively young, but men’s t levels start to descend (usually slowly) after they peak at around the age of 20. Have you noticed an increase in libido or any of the above?

The diet, supplements, and intense training alone should have created a perfect environment to ramp up your metabolism and probably your hormonal levels too. It may be hard for you to pinpoint the provenance of boosted metabolism/hormonal level/energy due to the fact that you made so many positive adjustments simultaneously.[/quote]

Black Cat,

I think you hit it on the head w/ that line I bolded. I never had my t level tested. I’ve gotta say though, my libido has always been stupid high. Still, this first month has been unlike any other. Although I’m far from being muscular, I’ve been happy with the gains I’ve made thus far, both in size and strength.

You gotta remember that the Coaches literally started with a blank slate w/ me, both in size and strength–I didn’t have much of either. And in only 1 short month, I want to say that I’ve made the same gains as almost 3 months of work that I did early last year, if not even better.

Although I also had a good bit of body fat to begin with, I don’t think I’ve gained a lot of fat as I thought I would be with me not being active whatsoever other than the workouts (i.e. couch potato), and eating a lot of food. I have no doubt that I may have gained some, but it could’ve been a lot worse. I know, because that’s what happened to me before. I also don’t think I could get this much stronger in such a short time.

EVERY workout is intense, and yet, my body is still ready to go each and every day. Some workouts are better than others, but overall, I leave every gym day happy that I’ve done my best.

Despite the length of this post, I don’t think I answered your question. :slight_smile: I hope it helps put a little perspective though.

[quote]USCTrojan619 wrote:

Despite the length of this post, I don’t think I answered your question. :slight_smile: I hope it helps put a little perspective though.[/quote]

Great feedback USC. Your positive attitude, work ethic, and ramped up metabolism will serve you well as you face the upcoming challenges presented by change of gym, additional demands on your time and energy, and new food preparation regimen.

The first couple of weeks will be the toughest and then you’ll find your groove. With a little super human determination, I know you will maintain the momentum you have achieved; and even ratchet it up a notch or two. That extra push now will catapult you to the next level.

USC,

Biotest Superfood will be an excellent way to ensure that you cover your nutritional bases. Remember however that the fibrous veggies in your current diet serve two addititional purposes that won’t be met by Superfood:

  1. The veggies provide a shitload (excuse the pun) more fiber.

  2. The pre-bedtime veggies prolong digestion and thus minimize muscle catabolism.

USC,

Last night was my first test which determined if I would stick with the strict diet or not. My friend and I travelled to another state to go to a friend’s surprise b-day party at a restaurant, then to a bar, then crash at the friend’s house. It took hours to prepare the meals, put supps in ziplocks, drop lunch off at work (where I am now) etc.

Nothing like drinking a shake in a restaurant and eating tomatoes, broccoli, Flameout and another shake outside of the bar while the others are inside drinking. Not to mention the drunk people looking at me like I have two heads. I couldn’t find a grocery ANYWHERE and wasn’t able to get shrimp. So assuming that finding a grocery would be easy was a mistake. (especially without a car) This brought two questions to mind.

1- If you miss a meal, does it help to eat more the next day. I feel like eating the damn shrimp with breakfast and I chugged a carton of egg whites instead of measuring…

2- If not possible to eat the meals as shown (breakfast, lunch, supper), can you eat 4 tomatoes in the afternoon, or even space meals apart. (ie. I had the lunch shake on the train and then the rest when I got to the office) I guess what i’m asking is if nutrient timing plays a role or if it just about getting the calories in. I know discipline is a huge part of the PC, but shit happens and I would like to understand as much as possible about making gains.

Thanks!

Can someone explain to me what “Alpha Male” is?

Is it a type of steroid or pro-steroid?

Are there any health risks associated with it?

[quote]wooldog wrote:
Can someone explain to me what “Alpha Male” is?

Is it a type of steroid or pro-steroid?

Are there any health risks associated with it?[/quote]

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1054351

Here. And also this is USCs thread so let’s not clog it up with questions that could be better asked elsewhere.

Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Keep up the good work, USC!

I can vouch for the coach. This cold snap in Montreal (where I live) is brutal. 3 hours in an unheated car cruising at 60 MPH must have been damn near fatal. Frostbite must have been a real concern. Hope he is able to bounce back strong.

USC,

I came upon this which does a good job addressing your food consumption issues:

Q: Dr. Berardi, I’m a skinny guy and I’m getting tired
of everyone telling me to just eat more. I eat as much
as I can, four to six times per day. How can I just eat
more if my stomach is about to pop? Any suggestions for
me? Am I genetically screwed or something?

A: So you’re hoping I’ve got some magical supplements
up my sleeve that can help you increase your appetite,
right? Well, I don’t. Despite my searching, I haven’t
been able to find any nutritional supplements that
really work in appetite stimulation.

When I was younger, I thought I too was genetically
cursed. No matter how hard I worked out and how much I
ate I still didn’t get any bigger. So I tried to seek
out any supplemental help I could get to increase my
appetite, my muscle mass, etc. But alas, I never found
anything. Instead, I found the true secret in another
place; and it didn’t take a supplement or a drug bottle
to help me find it.

Now, of course, there are drugs out there for the job
(although we’re all about getting big the natural way,
right?). The two main clinical appetite stimulants
megestral acetate and dronabinol are used in AIDS,
burn, and cancer patients. Unfortunately they cause
mostly fat gain.

Cyproheptadine is an antihistamine and serotonin
antagonist that increases growth hormone secretion and
appetite. This drug works pretty well for weight gain.

Anabolic steroids, of course, do a really nice job of
increasing appetite, body weight and muscle mass but
that’s no surprise.

And there are some new ideas on how to block one of the
body’s big satiety hormones through the use of CCK
(cholecystokinin) antagonists.

However, let’s depart from the drug and supplement
discussion and get down to what I think the true secret
is. It’s the fact that you have a screwed up perception
of what needs to be done to get bigger. It’s written
all over your email. You mention that you eat 4-6 times
per day as if that actually tells me something about
your diet, as if you’re doing everything you need to
but the genetics are conspiring against you. Well, as
long as that attitude persists, you’ll always be
skinny.

Remember, it’s not the strategy but the result that
matters. If 4-6 of your current meals per day were
enough, then you’d be growing. Since you’re not, how
about changing the strategy by eating a lot more food
within those 4-6 meals? If that doesn’t work, how about
trying to eat 6-8 times per day? Perhaps that won’t
work and you’ll have to skip eating distinct meals
altogether and you’ll have to simply eat all day long.
So do whatever it takes!

Sure, I may sound a bit unsympathetic. But trust me in
that I’m not at all unsympathetic to your plight; I’m
just unsympathetic to your excuses. I’ve been exactly
where you are today and can honestly say that I
overcame it with a few simple strategies that I’ll
detail below.

When I was 18 years old I was in the same predicament
you were (as you might recall from the book). I tried
eating 4-6 times per day and simply couldn’t gain
weight no matter what I did. So I sought out the big
guys in the gym to inquire as to what they were doing.
Their advice was to eat all the time. Now, all the time
meant something very different to them than it does to
most people. Most people think that eating all the time
means 3 meals and then some snacks. Well, to these
guys, eating all the time meant literally chewing food
all day long. As a result of their tutelage, here is
the diet I generated:

Breakfast, 8am:
6 whole eggs, 4 slices of whole grain bread, and 4
packets of instant oatmeal

Lunch, 12pm:
1 lb extra lean ground beef, 1-cup cauliflower, and 2
large baked potatoes

Evening Meal, 4pm:
1lb of extra lean ground beef, 1-cup broccoli, and 2
large baked potatoes

Post Workout, 8pm:
0.5 lb of pasta (weighed before cooking), 1-cup green
beans, and 0.5lb extra lean ground chicken

Before Bed:
6 whole eggs, 4 slices of whole grain bread

Also, upon waking each morning I would mix up a 1-
gallon jug of water and somewhere between 5 and 10
scoops of whey protein. In addition, I would open a bag
of 6 cinnamon raisin bagels and put peanut butter in
between each bagel. The protein drink and the bagels
were to be consumed all day long when an actual meal
wasn’t being eaten. The motto was “If I’m not chewing,
I’m not growing.” I’m not lying when I say that as soon
as I would finish each meal, I’d start right away with
my protein shake and bagels and continue on them until
the next meal.

Gluttony? You bet! Did I feel sick 1/2 the time? Check.
Was my food bill expensive. Sure. Did I throw up
occasionally for all that force feeding. Yup.

(I know that it’s politically incorrect these days to
talk about extreme measures like this, but I prefer to
tell it like it is. Those were desperate times.)

But did I grow?

You bet!

On this plan I went from 140lbs at 8% fat to 210lbs at
12% fat in about a year and a half. Yep, you read that right,
I gained 70 lbs in a year and a half by using the principles I’m
teaching you in the S2B course, the S2B book, and the S2B coaching
program.

Of course, in the end, the point of my story is not to give you an
exact diet to follow. Nope, my goal is to illustrate
just how important it is to push the boundaries of your
comfort zone if you’re interested in making gains. Quit
worrying about being full and just eat more. Even if
you feel sick sometimes. Heck, although this isn’t a
pleasant thought, I did throw up a few times during my
early phases of eating big. But I haven’t thrown up in
about 12 years and am still eating big.

As you continue to push yourself in terms of how much
food you can eat, the body will adapt by becoming more
comfortable at these new levels of intake. Just like
with training. Increasing your muscle mass isn’t about
comfort. In the gym we train until we’re uncomfortable.
And likewise, if we’re interested in getting as big as
possible, at the table, we should do the same.

Cheers,

JB


John M Berardi, PhD, CSCS

President - Science Link, Inc.
Author - Scrawny to Brawny
Translating Research into Results ™

Yeah, good work USC. I really don’t know why Shugs feels the need to ride you about playing COD4 when you’re already sticking to your diet and training 100%. The longer the physique clinic goes on, the more impressed I am with CT’s training methods and diet strategy and the less impressed I am with Shugs random “motivational” comments.

[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
Yeah, good work USC. I really don’t know why Shugs feels the need to ride you about playing COD4 when you’re already sticking to your diet and training 100%. The longer the physique clinic goes on, the more impressed I am with CT’s training methods and diet strategy and the less impressed I am with Shugs random “motivational” comments.[/quote]

Boo hoo. He’s been asked to post pics and progress numbers. He did not. He set a Sunday deadline for himself. He missed it. But we got a full report on the wonders of video games.

I have the applications of 900 other people who really want to do the Physique Clinic. Bet a few of them would do what they say they’re going to do.

I like Shugs motivational stuff.

There are two sides to the battle. As well as following the diet/workout, you have to WANT it.

Anybody could just follow a plan, but not everybody could follow it and get optimal results.

He is usually spot on about people and why they fail at their goals.
They set stupid goals.
They are defeatist.
They think “oh, I deserve this chocolate cake.”
They justify their bad decisions.
They try to make YOU feel bad for doing well.

Classic example when I am gaining weight and people say, “oh that protein stuff can’t be good for you”, but they are 250lbs and 50% body fat. He is spot on about toxic people and how they negatively affect you by trying to damage or discredit your success while defending their own mediocrity.

[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
Yeah, good work USC. I really don’t know why Shugs feels the need to ride you about playing COD4 when you’re already sticking to your diet and training 100%. The longer the physique clinic goes on, the more impressed I am with CT’s training methods and diet strategy and the less impressed I am with Shugs random “motivational” comments.

Boo hoo. He’s been asked to post pics and progress numbers. He did not. He set a Sunday deadline for himself. He missed it. But we got a full report on the wonders of video games.

I have the applications of 900 other people who really want to do the Physique Clinic. Bet a few of them would do what they say they’re going to do.
[/quote]

Point being, I doubt there’s a causal connection between the fact that he played a video game and the fact that he forgot to post his pics. That’s the thing: if he would have wrote “I watched some football” or “went bowling with friends” or “went out to a movie,” it wouldn’t have warranted comment beyond “hey, where’s the pics?”

But, because the poor guy mentioned a video game (god forbid), it’s suddenly something to latch onto in derision, as though it were somehow holding him back from making progress towards his body comp goals.

In short, the comment was nothing more than a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy used to express your own bias against gaming, and had very little to do with USC’s progress.

That aside, nice job USC. Way to go so far.

(And I’d be willing to bet that out of the 900 people waiting, USC would be among the 98th percentile when it comes to making detailed, frequent, and entertaining updates. The guy is doing an amazing job.)

Keep in mind, he made informative and entertaining posts during Christmas vacation and now the new semester starts! It’s a far more painful experience. I know, I’m working full time and doing night school. Gym time is a sacrifice, but anything worth having must first COST.

Trojan, please don’t screw this up, you have Bizarre’s failure hanging over your head, and a whole busload of tiny guys who are counting on you. Post your stuff from a library or cybercafe, man! You are a role model! No excuses!

-Sab