[quote]Brick Kiln wrote:
I don’t get the reasoning behind this ultimatum Thibs and Chris just gave. You don’t deserve to get kicked out Novagreg. But all you can do is put in 110% on this next phase so you know you did your part.
Some videos of you going medieval in the gym might help impress the coaches…[/quote]
I agree. You’ve been doing exactly what CT had planned (unless you’re a complete cheating liar, which I doubt). Your results have been disappointing, but you’re not the one to blame.
For the next three weeks double your posts and updates, take training pics and videos, go apeshit, etc. We’re pulling for you!
i agree with the above posts but at the same time anybody can do 60 minutes of cardio, you need to do 60 minutes and have nothing left etc, plenty of time to recover that day then.
I find it hard to believe that you can only lose 6lbs and not have too much of a transformation with the diet your on, im sure that diet alone without exericse would probably have an effect.
Dont let all that effort go to waste. You need to put ur head down now and get this thing DONE!, anything is possible if you push urself hard enough!
Best of luck. Were all behind you but we need to see the plan in progress! Pictures etc.
I think it is worse than that – the ultimatum is completely outrageous. Basically, they are saying “Our stuff works, unless of course it doesn’t work for you and in that case, of course, we’ll just discard you and find someone else who it does work on and point to them as proof that if works. See our supplements work. Please buy them.”
Maybe they have reasons not known by everyone. He did lose weight and all, but anyone his size should have been able to drop more than 10 lbs in a month and a half. I think they are just lighting a fire under his ass.
I also don’t understand the logic behind the ultimatum.
Assuming that you ARE following everything correctly and are putting in enough effort, then the fault must be with the program.
If there was reason to doubt you’re not trying hard enough, then you should be dropped but dropping you because of inadequate results is a crappy reason IMO - unless they suspect that you are not trying hard enough.
I’m kinda disapointed with their reaction but nova has taken a bad start. I mean, they should’ve seen this coming WAY earlier, and adapted his diet. I guess they where too confident and forgot to ask for weekly measurements.
On another hand, it was working great for Bartl and nova waited a bit too long before saying : “hey guys, how come I lost only 6lbs?”.
They are giving him a dead line because saying is easier than doing. Typing that you did 2 hours of cardio today is easier than doing. Like Shug said over on the MWA PC the hardest part of doing an online PC is that you can’t be there to see what people are doing. I find it hard to believe that with all the exercise and cardio you have only lost around 6-10lbs in a month and half. The diet alone should have dropped you more than that. I hope you weren’t messing with us all this time.
[quote]IBMS wrote:
I also don’t understand the logic behind the ultimatum.
Assuming that you ARE following everything correctly and are putting in enough effort, then the fault must be with the program.
If there was reason to doubt you’re not trying hard enough, then you should be dropped but dropping you because of inadequate results is a crappy reason IMO - unless they suspect that you are not trying hard enough.[/quote]
Yes, because a coach that experienced himself the transformation that novagreg is trying to do would design a faulty program
If the program didn’t work then Thibaudeau would still be fat
[quote]josias wrote:
IBMS wrote:
I also don’t understand the logic behind the ultimatum.
Assuming that you ARE following everything correctly and are putting in enough effort, then the fault must be with the program.
If there was reason to doubt you’re not trying hard enough, then you should be dropped but dropping you because of inadequate results is a crappy reason IMO - unless they suspect that you are not trying hard enough.
Yes, because a coach that experienced himself the transformation that novagreg is trying to do would design a faulty program
If the program didn’t work then Thibaudeau would still be fat
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Thanks for putting those words into my mouth - even though that isn’t close to what I said.
I even said “assuming he is putting in the effort” twice.
Besides, I think we can all agree that the same program doesn’t work for everybody. If there was one super program that worked for us all, we’d ALL be using it.
One other thing I don’t understand about the ultimatum is why it is focussed on reducing body weight. In all of the other clinics, the coaches have said to ignore the scale and go by the tape measure, and yet they demand novagreg reduce his weight.
I agree that his progress hasn’t been as fast as expected, but we have to trust that he is putting in the effort. The whole clinic idea is based around trusting the participants. I don’t think that ditching novagreg simply because he isn’t progressing is a good idea - unless you can show that he isn’t putting in the effort.
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Greg lost a significant amount of weight before starting the PC, so probably his fat loss has slowed and is starting to reach a sticking point.
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Yeah but if he had gained back 6 lbs before the start of the physique clinic then his metabolism should have been primed to lose more weight. It’s not like he got down to 10% bodyfat and now has trouble getting to 8%. He still had a significant amount of weight to lose.
[quote]Huge24 wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
Greg lost a significant amount of weight before starting the PC, so probably his fat loss has slowed and is starting to reach a sticking point.
Yeah but if he had gained back 6 lbs before the start of the physique clinic then his metabolism should have been primed to lose more weight. It’s not like he got down to 10% bodyfat and now has trouble getting to 8%. He still had a significant amount of weight to lose. [/quote]
[quote]Brick Kiln wrote:
I don’t get the reasoning behind this ultimatum Thibs and Chris just gave. You don’t deserve to get kicked out Novagreg. But all you can do is put in 110% on this next phase so you know you did your part.
Some videos of you going medieval in the gym might help impress the coaches…[/quote]
Guys, this is just for added motivation. I do think that Nova is doing a GREAT job. And if I say that he needs to lose 10-15lbs in the next 3 weeks it’s because I have NO DOUBT in my mind that he will reach that goal.
Will he get kicked out if he ‘‘only’’ loses 7-9lbs? Probably not! But we will have to re-assess what’s going on and what could be the source of the problem.
YES Nova seems to be working hard, YES he seems to be following the diet, YES he is taking the supplements, YES the program is very effective.
But if all of those are true, then there is a problem somewhere else. And if there isn’t a problem anywhere else it that one of the statements above is not 100% and that we need to find out.
LIFE is full of ultimatums, and how you react to them will ultimately determine the progress you’ll make and the success you’ll have. The physique clinic is not just about learning how to improve your physique, it’s about how to become a better person.
[quote]Huge24 wrote:
Maybe they have reasons not known by everyone. He did lose weight and all, but anyone his size should have been able to drop more than 10 lbs in a month and a half. I think they are just lighting a fire under his ass. [/quote]
[quote]Fenix83 wrote:
On another hand, it was working great for Bartl and nova waited a bit too long before saying : “hey guys, how come I lost only 6lbs?”.[/quote]
Exactly, human physiology is basically the same for everybody. YES there are genetic differences which will affect the way our body reacts and to what extent something work or not. But this is mainly true of adaptations to training.
When it comes to diet it’s much more straight-forward than that since it all comes down to:
a) caloric deficit
b) substrate utilization
There is NO WAY that someone loses only 6-8lbs in 4-6 weeks while consuming a LARGE caloric deficit and less than 50g of carbs per day AND a sufficient amount of protein.
Heck, some girls in the physique clinic lost more than that in 3 weeks while on less than a caloric deficit and starting from a lower body fat level.
We are trying to find out the root of the problem. If it’s in the diet we’ll know since I changed it. If it’s in the program we’ll know too. But the approach I am using have worked with everybody I use it with, and that’s hundreds of clients!
The problem might be elsewhere?
Nova, are you consuming some ‘‘so-called’’ low-carbs treats (like Walden Farms stuff or other companies claiming to be ‘‘carbs-free’’ or even ‘‘calories-free’’)? I know that the first time I did a low-carbs diet I screwed up my results by indulging in those, thinking that they would have no effect of ketosis.
Are you chewing a lot of gum? Even sugar-free gum gives you 2g of carbs per stick. So if you take as little as 12 pieces per day, that’s 24g carbs right there, enough to kick you out of ketosis too.
Perhaps the problem is with his food measurements? Maybe he’s not measuring things correctly. I know I did that when I was a newbie. Little things like measuring meat COOKED instead of raw thinking they were the same. Those simple kind of things really add up.
Just a thought. Sorry if that was already mentioned or anything.
CT,
As for the condiments, I’ve stuck to the list you gave me originally. The new training program CT gave me looks awesome, and day one starts tomorrow. Get ready for the next three weeks everyone, and thank you for the support.
I feel for ya, Nova. It’s harder for you to change than the other guys in the clinic because you’ve got this strongman mentality to break through. I think you may have gotten through it already, but I think we both know that if you could have it your way, you wouldn’t get under 250lbs and keep adding muscle while slowly shedding fat so that the scale wouldn’t move, yet you’d be this big lean strongman. I’m not sure that you really want to see the numbers go down, because then the strongman image goes away.
That was the feeling that I got when you were first starting the clinic, it was like you were hoping to stay at 260 while you kept losing inches on your waist. I mean lets be honest, if everyone could have it their way, the scale would never go down, yet the abs would come out. The fat loss, muscle building duo would be in full effect.
Anyway, I give you a lot of credit, it takes balls to do a transformation challenge type of thing on Testosterone.
Maybe the best thing that could happen would be to get down to under 200lbs and experience what it’s like to be at that weight.
[quote]Whey Man wrote:
Perhaps the problem is with his food measurements? Maybe he’s not measuring things correctly. I know I did that when I was a newbie. Little things like measuring meat COOKED instead of raw thinking they were the same. Those simple kind of things really add up.
Just a thought. Sorry if that was already mentioned or anything. [/quote]
That brings up a good question: Are the measurements given in the diet supposed to be cooked or raw measurements? The difference on a 4oz piece of chicken between raw 4oz and cooked 4oz can be as much as 100 cals.