"“Success is not final. Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.” – Winston Churchill
Lister,
It is pretty easy to sit back and take shots at someone who is trying to better themselves when you don’t have anything out there about you. You have 12 posts on the board and I can’t find a single word about how you train, what you are trying to accomplish, and what your goals are. You obviously are pretty lean by your pic, if that is you in the pic. Why not start your own thread or blog and put a little of you our there to at least establish yourself on the board.
I’m not even saying what you say doesn’t haven’t merit. Greg does need to prove to himself that he can do this but he doesn’t need to prove it to you or anyone else. But at least he is out there in the middle of the ring fighting the fight. While you are in the back of the arena talking shit while not having to back up anything you say.
To be honest, I highly doubt that you actually exists. Some people on this board have a history of using alternate accounts to talk shit cause they ain’t man enough to do it as their self. They think they are pretty clever. If you are a real person put a little skin in the game. Lets see if you can contribute more to the community other than this bullshit.
Colin
I think that this creation of an “us -vs- them” mentality by some of you, is quite frankly, missing the point.
This is a struggle between NG and himself; and no one else.
That’s it.
Mufasa
[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
Lister,
It is pretty easy to sit back and take shots at someone who is trying to better themselves when you don’t have anything out there about you. You have 12 posts on the board and I can’t find a single word about how you train, what you are trying to accomplish, and what your goals are. You obviously are pretty lean by your pic, if that is you in the pic. Why not start your own thread or blog and put a little of you our there to at least establish yourself on the board.
I’m not even saying what you say doesn’t haven’t merit. Greg does need to prove to himself that he can do this but he doesn’t need to prove it to you or anyone else. But at least he is out there in the middle of the ring fighting the fight. While you are in the back of the arena talking shit while not having to back up anything you say.
To be honest, I highly doubt that you actually exists. Some people on this board have a history of using alternate accounts to talk shit cause they ain’t man enough to do it as their self. They think they are pretty clever. If you are a real person put a little skin in the game. Lets see if you can contribute more to the community other than this bullshit.
Colin[/quote]
That’s an interesting analogy about fighting in the ring, Colin. I’ve been doing competitive jiu jitsu for many years, so no, I’m not really known for talking shit in the back of the arena. Honestly, I don’t have the time or energy to make threads about my fitness goals. I work 35 hours a week while going to school to advance my medical career. In addition, I really don’t care about people’s opinions on my fitness goals. I’m already fairly well educated on the subject so the advice of novices isn’t really needed. If I were truely seeking the “next level of fitness”, I would consult other professionals in the field. Why would I take the advice of those that know less than me?
What I have tried to do is point out the flaws in Greg’s physique clinic. I have been complimentary of both Gus and Bartl because they have shown awesome improvement. I also sent Neya a PM telling her how great she’s doing and not to worry abot those who says she’s becoming too skinny. This whole thread just seemed like the giant elephant in the middle of the room that no one was willing to talk about, so I did.
[quote]listerfan wrote:
Honestly, I don’t have the time or energy to make threads about my fitness goals.
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It’s interesting that you have time to comment about others, then.
It is past time for the negative posts to stop. No one is saying you have to become a cheerleader and defend novagreg, but anything that is negative and a call out to novagreg has really already been said.
Can we all just try and limit posts to questions about training, program, diet, overall experience?
stop beating the dead horse.
If after the next progression post you still have a criticism wait and see. But now it just seems repetitive and masturbatory.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
It is past time for the negative posts to stop. No one is saying you have to become a cheerleader and defend novagreg, but anything that is negative and a call out to novagreg has really already been said.
Can we all just try and limit posts to questions about training, program, diet, overall experience?
stop beating the dead horse.
If after the next progression post you still have a criticism wait and see. But now it just seems repetitive and masturbatory.
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Well said!
Says the newbie to the site
[quote]mrw173 wrote:
listerfan wrote:
Honestly, I don’t have the time or energy to make threads about my fitness goals.
It’s interesting that you have time to comment about others, then.[/quote]
Well, let’s see…time to read into and decide NovaGreg’s clinic makes no sense…about 2 seconds. Time to make my own thread and post pics and field questions from people… much more. You have to remember if I did my own thread I’d actually put some effort into it and not cut and paste everything.
Come on Greg! You CAN do this thing! You still have supporters out there! Prove’em wrong big dog, prove’em wrong!
[quote]listerfan wrote:
Colin
That’s an interesting analogy about fighting in the ring, Colin. I’ve been doing competitive jiu jitsu for many years, so no, I’m not really known for talking shit in the back of the arena. Honestly, I don’t have the time or energy to make threads about my fitness goals. I work 35 hours a week while going to school to advance my medical career. In addition, I really don’t care about people’s opinions on my fitness goals. I’m already fairly well educated on the subject so the advice of novices isn’t really needed. If I were truely seeking the “next level of fitness”, I would consult other professionals in the field. Why would I take the advice of those that know less than me?
What I have tried to do is point out the flaws in Greg’s physique clinic. I have been complimentary of both Gus and Bartl because they have shown awesome improvement. I also sent Neya a PM telling her how great she’s doing and not to worry abot those who says she’s becoming too skinny. This whole thread just seemed like the giant elephant in the middle of the room that no one was willing to talk about, so I did.
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But none of your criticism was constructive just abusive.
You refuse to take the same risks as Greg by putting your own training out there but you are more than happy (and have the time to) criticize his? Without establishing who you are and what your level of expertice is everything you say will be just talk from the back row. Look, everything in your above post cannot be verified or validated, its very convenient. Not only that but you really think that NO ONE on this site is cappable of helping you in your training? Then why are you even here?
Really dude Whatever, Muffass is right in that this is a Greg vs Greg battle. But your inflammatory comments (and others including both coaches) made it personal. Greg is a better man then me because I would have told Chris to blow it out his ass a month ago. No amount of free supps is worth being vilified for…
Colin in all fairness nova is NOT doing a whole lot to dis-courage critisism.
Second some people “supporting” him have agendas of their own one or two hoping them supporting him will get them chosen next round.
Third, Barl has come out with the truth we all know what happened crew at the start, now i think nova should come clean i doubt they will kick him out if he tells the truth and it will alleviate all the “elephant in the room” syndrome.
If you honestly believe he is giving his all, then please take off your gogles as they are blinding you, im on CT’s program 2 days and i can affirm he knows his shit, i also KNOW Biotest’s stuff works, i know Chris knows his stuff…
sssssssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooo
Whos the odd one out here ???
Oh ya they guy with no weight loss in how long now ??
And as for the coaches villfying him … WTF you want them to do ???
Say
“Good job on no weight loss WELL DONE NOVA YOU THE MAN how dare gus lose all that weight and show you up, goddamn bart and being so good… nevermind them you the man nova!”
Would that suit you better ???
Please by taking him to task they show THAT THEY CARE when people dont point out your mistakes THATS when they have given up.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1988637
There watch that
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But none of your criticism was constructive just abusive.
You refuse to take the same risks as Greg by putting your own training out there but you are more than happy (and have the time to) criticize his? Without establishing who you are and what your level of expertice is everything you say will be just talk from the back row. Look, everything in your above post cannot be verified or validated, its very convenient. Not only that but you really think that NO ONE on this site is cappable of helping you in your training? Then why are you even here?
Really dude Whatever, Muffass is right in that this is a Greg vs Greg battle. But your inflammatory comments (and others including both coaches) made it personal. Greg is a better man then me because I would have told Chris to blow it out his ass a month ago. No amount of free supps is worth being vilified for…[/quote]
I don’t care if you believe I’m real or not. Everything I’ve been calling Nova out on for the last month was true. Take it for what it’s worth. I don’t give a fuck what people think, my track record speaks for itself.
I started calling him out on not being 237 or whatever. Come to find out, shocker, he’s more like 258. I’ve been saying there’s no way with the diet and cardio he’s claiming that he’s not losing weight. Then the coaches and everybody in the world starts jumping his ass about it. Whatever.
I could get on here and discuss credentials yeah I’ve got some, but you’d never believe me, so what’s the point? One thing you can believe is all this stuff I’ve been bitching about forever was true all along, but everybody was too busy calling me “toxic” and kissing Nova’s ass to see it.
[quote]Corkonian wrote:
Colin in all fairness nova is NOT doing a whole lot to dis-courage critisism.
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No problem with constructive criticism. Calling him a lazy, lying, supplement stealing, alcoholic…Probably a wee bit over the top don’t you think?
Ok but I don’t. None of my goals have anything to do with seeing my ab’s or flexing. I pay my own way, thanks. What I can tell you is that I know Greg personally and he doesn’t lie or steal. Granted, I am not blind he has not progressed like everyone else has, but the difference between the two of us is I believe what he says.
Congrats, I’m glad that YOUR genetics respond well to this type of training. Let me ask you something or CT for that matter. Does he have a 100% success rate for every client? Never had a client with difficult genetics that was hard to figure out? I think the coaches are frustrated that everything they have tried has not worked and they just can’t believe that they have no answer for him. I can understand frustration, but being a dick on a public blog, How is that going to help? And for the record I never said they didn’t know what they are doing.
Incorect, there was weight loss just not what any of us, INCLUDING Greg, expected or wanted. Hey wait lets all band together, light some torches, and burn the witch!
Everyone went to EXTREMES with attacking Greg’s character and that’s what pisses me off. Like I said I know Greg and he has never lied to me and has always been an honest person. If Greg wasn’t really trying do you think he would honestly keep subjecting himself to this? For what, 500.00 worth of supps and all the abuse you can take?
I also want to point out that some of the criticism has been very constructive, and spot on. I did not respond to those posts because it had to be said and Greg needed to hear it. What I responded to was the posters who are throwing hate with nothing constructive to say or in the case of Lister I really don’t think the guy is real. I think he is what you call in the con game a shill. I may be wrong he could be 100% legit time will tell.
[quote]listerfan wrote:
I started calling him out on not being 237 or whatever. Come to find out, shocker, he’s more like 258. I’ve been saying there’s no way with the diet and cardio he’s claiming that he’s not losing weight. Then the coaches and everybody in the world starts jumping his ass about it. Whatever.
I could get on here and discuss credentials yeah I’ve got some, but you’d never believe me, so what’s the point? One thing you can believe is all this stuff I’ve been bitching about forever was true all along, but everybody was too busy calling me “toxic” and kissing Nova’s ass to see it.
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Dude that is the point. You have NO TRACK record except for these 13 or so posts. You may be real, I don’t know, I don’t care because nothing you said was remotley helpful to ANYONE reading the log, period.
Greg, sorry for filling your log with this shit. OctoberGirl
is exactly right. I won’t respond here but if any one wants to carry this on, feel free to send me a flaming PM.
Reply to me saying well done for all the stuff he does:
Thib wrote:
Thanks… but honestly, it’s 90% about the client. What’s on a piece of paper is all fine and well… but the worst program performed with 100% intensity will get better results than the best program performed half-assed!
My thoughts to, dont PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont blame genetics he is a L4 for fuck sake… how long lifting ???
If he had shit genetics i’d think by NOW he’d have figured it out dont you ?
So please leave the genetics argument at home.
[quote]listerfan wrote:
But none of your criticism was constructive just abusive.
You refuse to take the same risks as Greg by putting your own training out there but you are more than happy (and have the time to) criticize his? Without establishing who you are and what your level of expertice is everything you say will be just talk from the back row. Look, everything in your above post cannot be verified or validated, its very convenient. Not only that but you really think that NO ONE on this site is cappable of helping you in your training? Then why are you even here?
Really dude Whatever, Muffass is right in that this is a Greg vs Greg battle. But your inflammatory comments (and others including both coaches) made it personal. Greg is a better man then me because I would have told Chris to blow it out his ass a month ago. No amount of free supps is worth being vilified for…
I don’t care if you believe I’m real or not. Everything I’ve been calling Nova out on for the last month was true. Take it for what it’s worth. I don’t give a fuck what people think, my track record speaks for itself.
I started calling him out on not being 237 or whatever. Come to find out, shocker, he’s more like 258. I’ve been saying there’s no way with the diet and cardio he’s claiming that he’s not losing weight. Then the coaches and everybody in the world starts jumping his ass about it. Whatever.
I could get on here and discuss credentials yeah I’ve got some, but you’d never believe me, so what’s the point? One thing you can believe is all this stuff I’ve been bitching about forever was true all along, but everybody was too busy calling me “toxic” and kissing Nova’s ass to see it.
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OWND !!!
Colin,
I just wanted to say I think you have done a good job defending Nova and that I agree with you 100 percent. At this point, it is isn’t about being “right” about Nova. Everyone, his supporters included, have their doubts. It is about being as helpful as possible and trying to help Nova succeed.
Your right, Battle. It is all on Greg. I got lost in the momment there.
Cork I’m not going to respond publicly, feel free to answer my PM if you really want to carry on a conversation. If your just looking to fight skip it…
done?