my first thought when i played the video and it opened to phil on the couch: “jesus christ LL Cool J got hyooooge”
[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
my first thought when i played the video and it opened to phil on the couch: “jesus christ LL Cool J got hyooooge”[/quote]
lulz
[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
my first thought when i played the video and it opened to phil on the couch: “jesus christ LL Cool J got hyooooge”[/quote]
haha well played
I was doing the same triceps exercise as phil in the video @ 8:20 and i’m pretty sure my arms looked exactly like his. it was awesome
So in one of his videos, did I hear him correctly say he doesn’t train arms until 4 weeks out usually?
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
So in one of his videos, did I hear him correctly say he doesn’t train arms until 4 weeks out usually?[/quote]
yep
Like he said though, he doesn’t even usually do 21’s…so much of what he is doing in that vid may be shit he NEVER actually does or did to get that big in the first place.
He seemed to be focusing mostly on pump work with a few heavy sets thrown in at the end.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
So in one of his videos, did I hear him correctly say he doesn’t train arms until 4 weeks out usually?[/quote]
yep[/quote]
this is very interesting, especially considering all the “bodybuilders” on this site who made a big deal about needing to do direct arm work at least weekly in the other “no direct arm work routines”
seems like one of the biggest baddest bodybuilders out there right now relies on heavy pressing and pulling for his upper body size.
as a matter of fact, I remember hearing Ronnie Coleman say on one of his training videos posted on this website a long time ago saying something to the effect “I dont train biceps much at all, I get plenty big enough from all my back work”
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
So in one of his videos, did I hear him correctly say he doesn’t train arms until 4 weeks out usually?[/quote]
yep[/quote]
this is very interesting, especially considering all the “bodybuilders” on this site who made a big deal about needing to do direct arm work at least weekly in the other “no direct arm work routines”
seems like one of the biggest baddest bodybuilders out there right now relies on heavy pressing and pulling for his upper body size.
as a matter of fact, I remember hearing Ronnie Coleman say on one of his training videos posted on this website a long time ago saying something to the effect “I dont train biceps much at all, I get plenty big enough from all my back work”
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So we should train like them? Lulz…
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
So in one of his videos, did I hear him correctly say he doesn’t train arms until 4 weeks out usually?[/quote]
yep[/quote]
this is very interesting, especially considering all the “bodybuilders” on this site who made a big deal about needing to do direct arm work at least weekly in the other “no direct arm work routines”
seems like one of the biggest baddest bodybuilders out there right now relies on heavy pressing and pulling for his upper body size.
as a matter of fact, I remember hearing Ronnie Coleman say on one of his training videos posted on this website a long time ago saying something to the effect “I dont train biceps much at all, I get plenty big enough from all my back work”
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I’m willing to bet that those guys trained the hell out of their arms up to a certain size point. Once there, they found that they were genetically gifted in arms, so the need to destroy them directly year round wasn’t necessary.
I must be psychic, that is exactly what I thought the response would be to my comment.
maybe your right, I have no idea how these guys trained before they became big time competitive BBers,
but maybe your wrong, they focused mostly on big heavy compound movements to get there size and strength base, and once they took it to the top level, they added in some direct arm work to put the finishing touches on their physiques.
I have to agree with mini Thor on this one. These guys are smart when it comes to their career and will not pull a Tom Platz and over-develop their best body parts. Even arms can get too big.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I must be psychic, that is exactly what I thought the response would be to my comment.
maybe your right, I have no idea how these guys trained before they became big time competitive BBers,
but maybe your wrong, they focused mostly on big heavy compound movements to get there size and strength base, and once they took it to the top level, they added in some direct arm work to put the finishing touches on their physiques. [/quote]
Yes, HT. You may be right as well. But that also reinforces my comment about superior arm genetics.
Still, most of us do not possess those traits, so it’s weekly arm blasts for us.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
seems like one of the biggest baddest bodybuilders out there right now relies on heavy pressing and pulling for his upper body size.
as a matter of fact, I remember hearing Ronnie Coleman say on one of his training videos posted on this website a long time ago saying something to the effect “I dont train biceps much at all, I get plenty big enough from all my back work”
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But that video was Ronnie Coleman when Ronnie Coleman was “Mr. Olympia competitor level Ronnie Coleman”.
Sure, when you’re at that level, you have true ‘imbalances’ that professional judges are going to detect and that you need to spend more time/energy fixing because your title and livelyhood depend on it. I never heard anyone ever say Ronnie’s arms were ‘lagging’.
Ronnie, Phil and others have universally superior arm genetics that no doubt they trained directly trained the shit out of for years. They are amongst the what, 20 or so people in the world who can just ‘cruise’ on their arm work.
Ronnie’s/Phil’s training universe is a much different one than “Mr. 16-in Smooth Arms”.
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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
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Your huge fucking arms slow you down, mate.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
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Your huge fucking arms slow you down, mate.
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haha
see Steel? all that non funcional muscle mass you have added to your upper body has diminished your mad interwebz debating skilz. win for the functional guys!
OK…Phil trained arms directly for years but now they are fucking huge and can overpower his physique.
Phil Hill also was one who competed who stated he never trained quads until right before a contest. his quads were huge. Anyone thinking he didn’t train legs directly for years prior to that is not aware of all of the details.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
seems like one of the biggest baddest bodybuilders out there right now relies on heavy pressing and pulling for his upper body size.
as a matter of fact, I remember hearing Ronnie Coleman say on one of his training videos posted on this website a long time ago saying something to the effect “I dont train biceps much at all, I get plenty big enough from all my back work”
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But that video was Ronnie Coleman when Ronnie Coleman was “Mr. Olympia competitor level Ronnie Coleman”.
Sure, when you’re at that level, you have true ‘imbalances’ that professional judges are going to detect and that you need to spend more time/energy fixing because your title and livelyhood depend on it. I never heard anyone ever say Ronnie’s arms were ‘lagging’.
Ronnie, Phil and others have universally superior arm genetics that no doubt they trained directly trained the shit out of for years. They are amongst the what, 20 or so people in the world who can just ‘cruise’ on their arm work.
Ronnie’s/Phil’s training universe is a much different one than “Mr. 16-in Smooth Arms”.
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agreed, to a point. the other side of that coin reinforces what I have been saying though. big lifts, not so much(see what I did there? I did not say “at all”) on arms can give you a big solid mass and strength foundation that once you hit the next level and have to start the crazy diet and pharma the top guys have to do, then you put in your time with direct arm work.
I have watched a lot of Ronnie Coleman videos, and truth be told, his training reminds me a lot of the RAW old school powerlifters I idolized when I was young and just getting into the sport, like Pat Casey, Doug Young, etc.
that is, he (Coleman) squats, deadlifts, rows and presses (barbell and dumbbell) insanely heavy weights.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
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Your huge fucking arms slow you down, mate.
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haha
see Steel? all that non funcional muscle mass you have added to your upper body has diminished your mad interwebz debating skilz. win for the functional guys![/quote]
LMAO!
I need to stop doing all that ‘direct finger’ work. My sausage fingers can’t dash across the keyboard anymore…
I suggest finger sprints, followed by finger band plyometric drills, then backwards down hill walks with a sand-bag, for finger muscle development.