I’m dieting, and in my efforts to get in my EFAs, I’ve been taking about 20 fish caps before bed…I have a hard time taking them during the day because of the dreaded fish burps.
On training days, though, I train from 6:30 to 7:30 p.m., have my Surge, and then at 8:30 eat my P+C meal (which usually has about 22-25 g of carb).
Problem is, I go to bed about an hour after that. Is that too soon to take all those fish caps? Or with such a small amount of carbs by P+C standards, should I even be worrying about this?
I’ve tried the search engine, but it’s been an exercise in frustration.
LS, if I’m running short on a meal, I’ll set a little kitchen alarm for the desired hour and chug down my shake (or whatever). Don’t see why you couldn’t do the same thing with your fish oil. Of course you could always do the “drink two glasses of water before bed” thing instead of setting an alarm.
I buy Health from the Sun’s product, LIQUID fish oil not caps, and pour it over my canned tuna. It’s a quality product, and I never have a problem with the fishy burps. I know some of the bargain brands have a problem with rancidity, something you wouldn’t be aware of when first swallowing capsules.
No disrespect to TT, but I’d just eat them right before I went to bed. Sometimes people just go crazy with this P&F/P&C stuff… I really don’t think it’s a huge deal if you’re good 90% of the time.
If the 2 glasses of water thing works for you though, g’head. I’d rather sleep than get up to swallow fishoils. Thats just me.
I second (or third or whatever) the motion for liquid fish oil. If you’re popping all those pills in one shot you’ll find the liquid SO much easier.
Also, on JB’s website he has a protocol on how to take Surge and what meals to consume after based on your training objective. For dieting, the meal after both post-workout scenarios is a P+F meal; however, he recommends it 3 hrs. after the post-workout meal, and if you’re strict low-carbing he actually recommended a P+F food meal and either taking 1/2 serving Surge during workout or just avoiding it.
In your situation, why not just take your P+F meal right before bed instead of 1 hr. after your post-workout feeding. Either way it won’t make or break you but just a thought.
Hmmm…good things to think about. I will definitely explore the oil, instead of caps. I’ve also been meaning to play around with a P+F meal after training, since I go to bed so soon thereafter, so I think I’ll give that a shot for the next couple weeks and observe what happens. I don’t want to give up Surge altogether as I find the 1/2 serving I sip during my workout has markedly increased my performance level in my carb- and calorie-restricted state. But I think I have some reading to do at JB’s site.
Ryno, oh, dear no. Having a different point of view does not constitute disprespect.
Disagree with me any time!!! (grin)
That’s what the forum is all about, getting as many different points of view as possible so the person posting the question can come to their own conclusions. Therein lies the TRUE value of T-Mag.
Monty, I want to thank you again for sending me to JB’s site–great stuff. I had never seen those Surge recommendations before. I will definitely try sipping one scoop during workout, then waiting before bed for my P+F meal.
Has anyone else used Surge this way during carb-restricted diets? TT, what do you think? I know your diet is very strict.
SKELETAL MUSCLE FAT AND CARBOHYDRATE METABOLISM DURING RECOVERY FROM GLYCOGEN DEPLETING EXERCISE IN HUMANS
What?s your body?s primary fuel source after a hard workout? Is it fat, protein, or carbohydrates? And does your body use exogenous or endogenous stores of these fuels? In this study, eight endurance-trained men cycled to exhaustion for 90 minutes, which greatly depleted their glycogen stores. During the seven hours post-workout, they ate carbohydrate rich meals consisting of 65% carbohydrates totaling ~490 grams of carbs.
These meals caused blood glucose and insulin to increase significantly and muscle glycogen was quickly replaced. Metabolic rate measurements showed that despite the high intake of carbohydrates, fat was the primary fuel post-exercise. However, the fat source burned wasn’t intramuscular fat, but rather storage fat (from adipose) and blood lipids.
This study shows us that after an intense workout, fat is used as the main source of energy. The fat in muscle (intramuscular fat) isn’t burned, though. To our advantage, the fat used for energy comes from body fat stores, even after eating a post-workout meal high in carbs.
So, even if you’re trying to lose body fat, your first post-workout meals should contain at least 50% carbohydrates to replace your muscle glycogen stores. Your body will still burn fat off and you’ll provide it with the right nutrition to work out just as hard the next day. (1)
No problem Lisa, but I wanted to make sure we are on the same page. I don’t think you want to wait on your P+F meal if you’re only going to do 1/2 a Surge during the workout. If you go by JB’s recommendation on the chart, have the P+F meal immediately after workout, then if time allows have another P+F meal before bed. This assumes you’re on a very low-carb approach. If recovery is your main goal, then it’s different.
Go ahead and sip Surge during your workout… thats the only way as far as I’m concerned. During and postworkout is when you want carbs, whether you’re dieting or not…
If your diet is straight the rest of the day, don’t worry about burning fat while you’re IN the gym. Get strong and build muscle… Surge will help.
LS, you’re getting great advice from everyone. Surge is probably the single-most important supplement you can use to meet your goals of fat loss, even on a carb restricted diet. If you haven’t done it, read the article JB wrote on how it’s formulated and what it does.
When trying to “lose weight,” you’re really trying to hold on to or increase LBM at the expense of FM. Surge maximises the benefits of working out and minimizes the negatives. When blood glucose levels drop during a workout, cortisol levels rise. Cortisol is a catabolic hormone that chews up your hard earned muscle and converts it to glucose (for the brain, which requires glucose as a energy source). When you spike insulin, cortisol levels drop, and when you spike insulin, you shuttle proteins into the very muscles you just worked.
So, yes, I’m very strict with my diet, but Surge is an essential, critical tool in achieving my goals. You have a very, very tiny window of opportunity, 30 minutes initially, to maximize glycogen replenishment, squelch cortisol and kick protein synthesis and repair into overdrive.
Surge is GOLDEN, even on a carb restricted diet. And yes, we do restrict carbs, but we also control their timing and type. All of the factors I mentioned are equally important if your goals are fat loss.
Instead of “carb restricted,” I’d like you to think “carb controlled” or “carb managed/manipulated.” Handled properly, carbs can keep your energy levels up and help you put on LBM and burn fat. What’s not to love? (grin)
Thanks again, everyone. Monty–I mistyped; I did mean eat P+F right after I got home from training, in lieu of the second scoop of Surge, per JB’s chart.
I am a bit torn, though, as to whether to follow JB’s chart, or to continue with the more widespread recommendations of have the other scoop of Surge and then a P+C meal. Akheron’s article and TT’s comments are compelling.
Guess the only thing I can do is be my own guinea pig, but I think I’ll save it for my next stubborn plateau, as right now I’d rather prioritize recovery.
Can somebody post a link of Jb’s article. I looked on the site through some of the older articles and couldnt find it, but I am very interested. Thanks
