I’m intrested in giving either one of them a shot… Both programs are being highly mentioned for some serious size gains and damnit it’s time for me to get BIG! Anyone whose tried D.C. and BBB which has been the more effective program for size/strength?
Unless you are pushing, pulling and squatting major amounts of slag iron already, then stick to BBB.
Just give your shoulders a rest occasionally, don’t forget about your scapulae when rowing and do your prehab work.
hmm that seem’s like a cop out, it’s like don’t try d.c. training unless your a monster, than the program will be successful. Sure D.C. is going to be a successful program, the person who started on the program was already a monster/successful weightlifter to begin with…
Jeez
I’ll break it down even further give Ceph a break:
BBB good for getting you to DC status
ONCE you back off the super duper pushing volume at the end of every Ramp/SP phase from what i can see.
Once your numbers look good and you have a VERY GOOD idea of what exercises work and what foods work for you THEN go to DC.
It’s the polar opposite to BBB so you will respond very well to it BUT YOU NEED TO EARN YOUR RIGHT TO DO IT 1ST.
How’s that better ?
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
hmm that seem’s like a cop out, it’s like don’t try d.c. training unless your a monster, than the program will be successful. Sure D.C. is going to be a successful program, the person who started on the program was already a monster/successful weightlifter to begin with…[/quote]
And that monster’s/successful lifter’s progress had slowed to a crawl or stalled completely, hence he needed something to get him gaining again without requiring that he up his test dosage to 4 grams per week.
The program was designed to get advanced guys whose progress had slowed down to a crawl back to gaining fairly fast.
It’s darn good at that, but that also means that a lot of the program’s parts (triple rotation etc) are geared towards getting advanced guys to progress again.
Beginners and intermediates don’t need that, they’re usually better off repeating movements more often than once every 2 weeks so that they can improve their technique, mind-muscle connection and so on… Plus they can still make progress from week to week on a movement.
You also don’t exactly need 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight on most routines or to get to a measly 220 lbs. It’s the advanced stage where all that “extreme” stuff really helps.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
Once your numbers look good and you have a VERY GOOD idea of what exercises work and what foods work for you .
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Indeed, without serious experience in this game (and/or someone like SuperD to guide you), you’re just going to be the next moron asking charles poliquin “I do dc and I’m now using X amount of weight on dips, yet my triceps haven’t grown, why is that?”.
(that one made my day btw… how can anyone be that stupid? I wonder how much time he spends in the youtube comments section)
Im going to give the first phase of BBB a try, when i finish the first supergrowth i may do ramp 2 or i may move onto something different, But before i got super sick i did the first week of the program to check it out and i liked it a lot.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Once your numbers look good and you have a VERY GOOD idea of what exercises work and what foods work for you .
Indeed, without serious experience in this game (and/or someone like SuperD to guide you), you’re just going to be the next moron asking charles poliquin “I do dc and I’m now using X amount of weight on dips, yet my triceps haven’t grown, why is that?”.
(that one made my day btw… how can anyone be that stupid? I wonder how much time he spends in the youtube comments section)
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I’ve seen Dante refer to gear as Vitamin S, but I’m not sure if Super D was supposed to be a dbol reference or something?
I believe that SuperD may be a poster over at IM… I could be wrong though 
[quote]Zackgsc wrote:
I believe that SuperD may be a poster over at IM… I could be wrong though :P[/quote]
What he said, Dante only cherry picks guys at this stage, Super D is the next level “below” Dante even if he is just as good.
SuperD is a long time trainee of Dante and the guy who handles all the online DC training these days.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
hmm that seem’s like a cop out, it’s like don’t try d.c. training unless your a monster, than the program will be successful. Sure D.C. is going to be a successful program, the person who started on the program was already a monster/successful weightlifter to begin with…
And that monster’s/successful lifter’s progress had slowed to a crawl or stalled completely, hence he needed something to get him gaining again without requiring that he up his test dosage to 4 grams per week.
The program was designed to get advanced guys whose progress had slowed down to a crawl back to gaining fairly fast.
It’s darn good at that, but that also means that a lot of the program’s parts (triple rotation etc) are geared towards getting advanced guys to progress again.
Beginners and intermediates don’t need that, they’re usually better off repeating movements more often than once every 2 weeks so that they can improve their technique, mind-muscle connection and so on… Plus they can still make progress from week to week on a movement.
You also don’t exactly need 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight on most routines or to get to a measly 220 lbs. It’s the advanced stage where all that “extreme” stuff really helps.
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Damn, I’m glad D.C. training saved you from having to take 4 grams of test a week just to see gains! 4 grams of test a week would get expensive real fast. To me there is nothing measly about 220 lbs. If I can get up to 220 lbs and be strong as an ox with a 30 inch waist I’d feel VERY accomplished…
I have Jason WOjo’s D.C. DVD and have been looking into doggcrapp for a few months now. I ordered the BBB just to see what it’s all about, and damn BBB will put your dick in the dirt real qick, especially if you train with serious intensity. I also don’t like BBB’s rep rages of 13-15, 10-12, 8-10. I’ve gotten used to training Thibeadeau style where going above 6 rep’s is getting into the high rep range…
I’m finishing my lean down weighing in at around 187 lbs. at 5’11 4% BF… I have my 1st show this weekend and as soonnnn as it’s over I can reintroduce alot of muscle building nutrients into my body, I really want to take advantage of the anabolic rebound from post hard dieting and get into a serious muscle building diet phase with a serious muscle building training regimine!
Tried to post this in the other BBB thread but here is the program for free
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
hmm that seem’s like a cop out, it’s like don’t try d.c. training unless your a monster, than the program will be successful. Sure D.C. is going to be a successful program, the person who started on the program was already a monster/successful weightlifter to begin with…
And that monster’s/successful lifter’s progress had slowed to a crawl or stalled completely, hence he needed something to get him gaining again without requiring that he up his test dosage to 4 grams per week.
The program was designed to get advanced guys whose progress had slowed down to a crawl back to gaining fairly fast.
It’s darn good at that, but that also means that a lot of the program’s parts (triple rotation etc) are geared towards getting advanced guys to progress again.
Beginners and intermediates don’t need that, they’re usually better off repeating movements more often than once every 2 weeks so that they can improve their technique, mind-muscle connection and so on… Plus they can still make progress from week to week on a movement.
You also don’t exactly need 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight on most routines or to get to a measly 220 lbs. It’s the advanced stage where all that “extreme” stuff really helps.
Damn, I’m glad D.C. training saved you from having to take 4 grams of test a week just to see gains! 4 grams of test a week would get expensive real fast. To me there is nothing measly about 220 lbs. If I can get up to 220 lbs and be strong as an ox with a 30 inch waist I’d feel VERY accomplished…
I have Jason WOjo’s D.C. DVD and have been looking into doggcrapp for a few months now. I ordered the BBB just to see what it’s all about, and damn BBB will put your dick in the dirt real qick, especially if you train with serious intensity. I also don’t like BBB’s rep rages of 13-15, 10-12, 8-10. I’ve gotten used to training Thibeadeau style where going above 6 rep’s is getting into the high rep range…
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Well, you’re not really gonna enjoy DC either then, as most exercises are going to have you using high(er) rep ranges (at least on the first RP leg). And you’re going to absolutely hate doing the Widowmakers and high rep set for back thickness exercises.
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I’m finishing my lean down weighing in at around 187 lbs. at 5’11 4% BF… I have my 1st show this weekend and as soonnnn as it’s over I can reintroduce alot of muscle building nutrients into my body, I really want to take advantage of the anabolic rebound from post hard dieting and get into a serious muscle building diet phase with a serious muscle building training regimine![/quote]
Good luck with the show.
Either program is going to give you great gains, but I’ve gotta agree with C_C and 300 that at your stage, you’ll probably get faster results from BBB.
BBB is what you want. DC will work better when you handle such poundages as to necessitate voluminous ramping that in itself, with “large” loads, will create inroads into recovery. Couple that with the intenisty of the CNS draining rest pauses after concentric failure and you will require more recovery between sessions.
I will tell you that it is my STRONG opinion that you should not hit concentric failure (close to it. say a rep or two off) on BBB. The frequency works best by managing CNS fatigue and allowing the program to focus on the musculature’s ability to recovery much faster than the CNS. The Bulgarian Burst program (OTS’ second program that preceeded BBB) made mention to not hit failure at these high frequency levels. This was unfortunately left out of BBB.
Also, do the 4 day. The 6 is for those with great work capacity, low stress, and high caloric intake. EVerybody wants to jump on that one, but I highly recommend NOT doing so.
Best,
DH
My mailbox is still kinda empty looking. 
[quote]Scott M wrote:
SuperD is a long time trainee of Dante and the guy who handles all the online DC training these days. [/quote]
[quote]DH wrote:
BBB is what you want. DC will work better when you handle such poundages as to necessitate voluminous ramping that in itself, with “large” loads, will create inroads into recovery. Couple that with the intenisty of the CNS draining rest pauses after concentric failure and you will require more recovery between sessions.
I will tell you that it is my STRONG opinion that you should not hit concentric failure (close to it. say a rep or two off) on BBB. The frequency works best by managing CNS fatigue and allowing the program to focus on the musculature’s ability to recovery much faster than the CNS. The Bulgarian Burst program (OTS’ second program that preceeded BBB) made mention to not hit failure at these high frequency levels. This was unfortunately left out of BBB.
Also, do the 4 day. The 6 is for those with great work capacity, low stress, and high caloric intake. EVerybody wants to jump on that one, but I highly recommend NOT doing so.
Best,
DH
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DH,
Great advice ( as usual ! )
I just want to add that unless you are absolutely positive you can work out 6 days a week for the entire 18 week cycle - do the four day version- I will be heeding my own advice and start up a new ramp ( ramp 1 week 1 ) 4 day version on Monday after a week and a half “cruise”
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