OTS Big Beyond Belief Program

Training Bodybuilding
541

True. But youth and excitement will do that, so I’m cool with it from many guys. I have a son who is 13 and patience is not at all in his vocabulary. I also have coached FB, BB, and Soccer and “in the moment” is the best way to describe teens and many young adults even. Heck even older adults who are new to the game think you grow by leaps and bounds every week. ;0

DH

[quote]zraw wrote:
Man ! Not to sound cocky or arrogant or anything but

this forum showed me how so many ppl just look at the short term (and by short term I mean really short) rather than on the long run[/quote]

542

@Mijuggernaut: Are you also gaining strength IN the ramp? What kind of routine where you doing before BBB?

543

[quote]DH wrote:
True. But youth and excitement will do that, so I’m cool with it from many guys. I have a son who is 13 and patience is not at all in his vocabulary. I also have coached FB, BB, and Soccer and “in the moment” is the best way to describe teens and many young adults even. Heck even older adults who are new to the game think you grow by leaps and bounds every week. ;0

DH

zraw wrote:
Man ! Not to sound cocky or arrogant or anything but

this forum showed me how so many ppl just look at the short term (and by short term I mean really short) rather than on the long run

[/quote]

Hahaha yeah I know ! I wasnt saying it as it was something negative but more as an observation

Altough I think this is probably the cause for many ppl not reaching their goals and giving up on weightlifting

People usually want results faster than they come

544

[quote]MODOK wrote:
I can’t stress enough the importance of calories on this program. If you eat maintenance, or even slightly above, you will wash out. I guarantee. You need to eat enough to were you are full pretty much all the time, and uncomfortably full a couple times a day to boot. I am a naturaly fat person, so 4000 a day did it for me. If you have an average or even a higher metabolism, your going to need 5000, 6000, or more. Its highly individual, so I don’t like throwing these numbers out there, but be SURE you are eating a good surplus each and every day.[/quote]

Seconded… And this doesn’t just go for BBB… Even routines with significantly less volume simply don’t work without a massive diet.

545

Man I think I need to eat more…I mean I think mostly because I’ve ALWAYS been lean and still am lean…and I think I have a pretty high metabolism…coupled with muay thai on off days…and man I work electrical construction…so I walk up and down the stairs a million freakin times a day lol. Since it’s summer outside I’m constantly sweating…If anything when I sit down from movin around A LOT for 8 hours I just feel like melting into my chair and becoming one with it lol.
A cold shower usually refreshes me though…But yaeh damn if Modok says I mgiht really need 5000! I’ll play with it and incorporate a couiple hundred each week and see what happens.

546

OK guys I am convinced I will have to eat more. How much weight per week should an intermediate go for? Still carbs are no good right? MODOK man I hope you are right dude (I am sure you are, I am just a fat phobic dude).

GOS: Yeah I have hit PR’s every day on the ramp except for yesterday on the high incline OH press. That may have been due to overreaching or from being too cocky because I have gotten used to hitting PRs lately. Yesterday was the last day of week2 ramp one. Week three may whoop my tail, but I think not because I am going to add some calories.

Prior to this I trained with This:
-Layne Norton’s split: Day 1 upper body heavy (5x5) Day 2:lower body heavy (5x5) Day 3 Chest/bieceps/triceps Bodybuilding style Day 4: Shoulders and Back (bidybuilding style) Day 5 lower body (bodybuilding style) Day 6&7 off (read: cardio for me)
This helped turn me from a fat 275 lbs slob with slightly elevated cholesterol and BP to a 200lbs Mofo w with perfect labs/BP who answers fitness questions on a daily basis. Always warmed up with 20minutes SS cardio and followed up with 20 min HIIT after weight work.

But I stalled out and decided it was finally time to put some muscle on. So here I am. Still phobic of over eating but wanting to be a 240lbs natural beast. kind of ironic actually.

547

Once you adapt to the AD, and keep your cals where they need to be, then you’re going to love it. Just expect the adaptation period to be rough. Especially around days 4-5.

DH

[quote]MiJuggernaut wrote:
OK guys I am convinced I will have to eat more. How much weight per week should an intermediate go for? Still carbs are no good right? MODOK man I hope you are right dude (I am sure you are, I am just a fat phobic dude).

GOS: Yeah I have hit PR’s every day on the ramp except for yesterday on the high incline OH press. That may have been due to overreaching or from being too cocky because I have gotten used to hitting PRs lately. Yesterday was the last day of week2 ramp one. Week three may whoop my tail, but I think not because I am going to add some calories.

Prior to this I trained with This:
-Layne Norton’s split: Day 1 upper body heavy (5x5) Day 2:lower body heavy (5x5) Day 3 Chest/bieceps/triceps Bodybuilding style Day 4: Shoulders and Back (bidybuilding style) Day 5 lower body (bodybuilding style) Day 6&7 off (read: cardio for me)
This helped turn me from a fat 275 lbs slob with slightly elevated cholesterol and BP to a 200lbs Mofo w with perfect labs/BP who answers fitness questions on a daily basis. Always warmed up with 20minutes SS cardio and followed up with 20 min HIIT after weight work.

But I stalled out and decided it was finally time to put some muscle on. So here I am. Still phobic of over eating but wanting to be a 240lbs natural beast. kind of ironic actually.
[/quote]

548

You know, even at over 260 currently, I still only need about 3600 cals to grow. Kinda nice really. But I do seem to be in the minority on that.

DH

[quote]MODOK wrote:
I can’t stress enough the importance of calories on this program. If you eat maintenance, or even slightly above, you will wash out. I guarantee. You need to eat enough to were you are full pretty much all the time, and uncomfortably full a couple times a day to boot. I am a naturaly fat person, so 4000 a day did it for me. If you have an average or even a higher metabolism, your going to need 5000, 6000, or more. Its highly individual, so I don’t like throwing these numbers out there, but be SURE you are eating a good surplus each and every day.[/quote]

549

Wow did the calculation lol says I need 6675. That’s a HECK of a lot of calories haha I don’t even know what I could eat to fulfill that…I’d need 2000 cals from junk food like mcdonalds or somethin lol. And then everythin else would be clean.

Well I won’t go overboard too fast but I’m gonna start increasing cals more…Of course like everyone I’d like to gain muscle with little fat gain…I mean I know I’ll gain some fat, but I know some people go overboard and just gain too much.
What do you guys think of the BBB diet they have planned out for 4000 cals? It’s the high carb, high protein, low fat diet.
I don’t see how there’s 4000 cals in the diet…they show the list all the way up to 8000 cals.
But like how do you even measure 3 cups of carrots? I don’t see how there’s 4000 cals in that diet…can someone confirm?
http://www.slideshare.net/guest5ff101/big-beyond-belief
It’s on Page 114.

550

MODOK: Of course there’s no set number, but what range of weight gain should we be looking at on this program?

I am also aware that growth comes in spurts, I’m just wondering if you would mind humoring me.

551

ha ha… yeah. Only on Saturdays during a CHO load!

Guess its just another example of pick your poison.

[quote]MODOK wrote:
DH wrote:
You know, even at over 260 currently, I still only need about 3600 cals to grow. Kinda nice really. But I do seem to be in the minority on that.

DH

MODOK wrote:
I can’t stress enough the importance of calories on this program. If you eat maintenance, or even slightly above, you will wash out. I guarantee. You need to eat enough to were you are full pretty much all the time, and uncomfortably full a couple times a day to boot. I am a naturaly fat person, so 4000 a day did it for me. If you have an average or even a higher metabolism, your going to need 5000, 6000, or more. Its highly individual, so I don’t like throwing these numbers out there, but be SURE you are eating a good surplus each and every day.

I’m right around there myself. Slow metabolisms= last people to die in a famine. :slight_smile: But it does stink because we can’t hit papa john’s very frequently without the spare tire.
[/quote]

552

Rast, a word of caution. If you know roughly how much you eat now, then I would add maybe 500-1000 cals per day ONLY right now. You will experience some serious GI distress if you double your intake all at once. Plus you really just want to find what works and then don’t do too much more or you will put on more fat than you want.

Be methodical about it. If you get 3000 now. Then go 4000 max and wait about 2 weeks, et…

DH

[quote]rasturai wrote:
Wow did the calculation lol says I need 6675. That’s a HECK of a lot of calories haha I don’t even know what I could eat to fulfill that…I’d need 2000 cals from junk food like mcdonalds or somethin lol. And then everythin else would be clean.

Well I won’t go overboard too fast but I’m gonna start increasing cals more…Of course like everyone I’d like to gain muscle with little fat gain…I mean I know I’ll gain some fat, but I know some people go overboard and just gain too much.
What do you guys think of the BBB diet they have planned out for 4000 cals? It’s the high carb, high protein, low fat diet.
I don’t see how there’s 4000 cals in the diet…they show the list all the way up to 8000 cals.
But like how do you even measure 3 cups of carrots? I don’t see how there’s 4000 cals in that diet…can someone confirm?
http://www.slideshare.net/guest5ff101/big-beyond-belief
It’s on Page 114.[/quote]

553

Going to do SHIPS tomorrow, however given my inability to sop a set before i nearly decapitate myself im slightly worried :smiley:

554

How on earth did I miss this thread?

I made great gains on the Bulgarian Power Burst Program and thus ended up buying the BBB program on which I made great gains also.
I ended up buying the e-book because I have had the paper copy for so long it fell apart :slight_smile:

Great contribution MODOK,

Marc

555

Couple quick questions. I read through the slideshow on and off, I didn’t see a list of what evercises are considered level 1-7. I’m sure I can figure that part out though.

Secondly, they dont mention exercise rotation at all. It might be tucked back through this thread, are the majority just staying with 1 exercise, or rotating 3? I am setting up a 6 day program, 1 workout per day.

Chest- flat db, low incline db, decline db
back- nuetral grip chins, barbell row (back parallel to floor, from platform), supinated row
thighs- squat, front squat
hams- db romanian, trap bar DL, regular deads
tris- close grip dips, cgbp, rev grip bench
bi- db curl on preacher bench, hammer curls
calf- seated, standing

How do you guys suggest setting up quads? I’d like to fit in trap bar deads, not sure if they are more quad focused or hammy.

Thanks!

556

Some question regarding supplementation for BBB here guys

What do you think should be priorized if I had to make an order?

Surge Workout Fuel
Beta-Alanine
Alpha-GPC (would it even do any good on this program or be completely useless?..)

Of course leucine, bcaa, creatine are a staple here but im wondering about the other 3, especially alpha-gpc as im sure SWF and Beta-7 could be of some help

Your toughts?

Any other suggestions?

557

[quote]aspengc8 wrote:
Couple quick questions. I read through the slideshow on and off, I didn’t see a list of what evercises are considered level 1-7. I’m sure I can figure that part out though.
[/quote]

There is no list but its pretty easy to figure out

[quote]aspengc8 wrote:
Secondly, they dont mention exercise rotation at all. It might be tucked back through this thread, are the majority just staying with 1 exercise, or rotating 3? I am setting up a 6 day program, 1 workout per day.
[/quote]

2 or 3 exercise on which you can progress consistantly

[quote]aspengc8 wrote:
Chest- flat db, low incline db, decline db
back- nuetral grip chins, barbell row (back parallel to floor, from platform), supinated row
thighs- squat, front squat
hams- db romanian, trap bar DL, regular deads
tris- close grip dips, cgbp, rev grip bench
bi- db curl on preacher bench, hammer curls
calf- seated, standing

How do you guys suggest setting up quads? I’d like to fit in trap bar deads, not sure if they are more quad focused or hammy.
[/quote]

On the first ramp you will only have 3 tights exercise (if you dont add any…) so you could either have 2 quads day and 1 ham day or the other way around depending on your weaknesses

If you do chose to add tights exercise, than it has been suggested that you use 1 high nma exercise and 1 very low nma exercise (squat+legcurl), (romanian deadlift + leg extension), etc.

Altough, like I previously said, I do not think there is a need to add anything to ramp 1, or 2 or 3 for that matter. While its true you dont work your legs a lot on ramp 1 (if you dont change anything) ramp 2 and 3 will more than compensate for the lack of leg work on the 1st ramp (6days of tights on ramp 2 and 5days of tights on ramp3)

558

ha…ha. :wink:

[quote]MODOK wrote:
Listen to DH, rasty… he’s the details guy in this corporation ;).[/quote]

559

Marc! good to “see” you buddy. Hows it going?

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
How on earth did I miss this thread?

I made great gains on the Bulgarian Power Burst Program and thus ended up buying the BBB program on which I made great gains also.
I ended up buying the e-book because I have had the paper copy for so long it fell apart :slight_smile:

Great contribution MODOK,

Marc[/quote]

560

If you follow the AD, then the placement of the high rep days works out perfectly. You’re loaded and the pump is great. Then you hit lower reps later in the week. This program and the AD complement each other well.