Opinions of Chad Waterbury Programs?

Itchy · March 19, 2009, 5:36pm

[quote]Free2Be wrote:
The people in this world plain piss me off X, but this board in particular, they show a total disdain for belief in what can be accomplished.

Most of these people spend at least an hour in front of the television and most much more than that, to “unwind.” I unwind in the gym and I fall to sleep listening to a meditation cd. Granted I’ve been over seas for 3+ years where life is easy but when I was home with kids and a wife I still spent quality time with them and in the gym. Did I make sacrifices? Hell yeah. I’d have people tell me all the time that they didn’t have time to go to the gym, but then hear them talking about all kinds of tv shows. Hell I didn’t even buy cable and still don’t. Fucking crazy, lazy, wimpy bastards.

Like I said before, people thought I was huge at 250, always asked if I juiced as if 250 was unattainable. What a freaking joke. I’ll be at 250 and well beyond now that I’m healthy and I am going to go through the same bullshit, but who cares what underachievers think. Let them live miserable non-existent lives. Let them be sheep and cowardly human beings.[/quote]

People care about different things. Being 250 might be important to you–others might think it’s a silly goal, but you’ve obviously made it a priority.

I don’t like people downplaying my progress and making excuses for themselves anymore than you do, but not everyone who isn’t making bodybuilding their top priority in life is lazy and cowardly, nor do they all lead “non-existant lives.”

Itchy · March 19, 2009, 5:45pm

I think full-body might be the way to go for an abject beginner who is very weak to begin with. They will gain strength rapidly from session to session without accumulating a lot of fatigue.

I also think they might be useful for those with very demanding schedules who have very little time to train but want to maintain their strength and conditioning levels.

I do not think they are ideal for someone whose number one goal is gaining as much muscle as possible. As for CW’s programs in particular–any program that neglects arm training completely is hard to take seriously.

SSC · March 19, 2009, 6:15pm

[quote]Itchy wrote:
People care about different things. Being 250 might be important to you–others might think it’s a silly goal, but you’ve obviously made it a priority.

I don’t like people downplaying my progress and making excuses for themselves anymore than you do, but not everyone who isn’t making bodybuilding their top priority in life is lazy and cowardly, nor do they all lead “non-existant lives.”[/quote]

But I still don’t think this is the issue at hand. The issue is a guy posting in the BODYBUILDING forum about being ‘a real-world guy,’ and talking about “functionality,” as if building larger muscles somehow takes this away from someone.

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???

conorh · March 19, 2009, 6:36pm

[quote]Free2Be wrote:
The people in this world plain piss me off X, but this board in particular, they show a total disdain for belief in what can be accomplished.

Most of these people spend at least an hour in front of the television and most much more than that, to “unwind.” I unwind in the gym and I fall to sleep listening to a meditation cd. Granted I’ve been over seas for 3+ years where life is easy but when I was home with kids and a wife I still spent quality time with them and in the gym. Did I make sacrifices? Hell yeah. I’d have people tell me all the time that they didn’t have time to go to the gym, but then hear them talking about all kinds of tv shows. Hell I didn’t even buy cable and still don’t. Fucking crazy, lazy, wimpy bastards.

Like I said before, people thought I was huge at 250, always asked if I juiced as if 250 was unattainable. What a freaking joke. I’ll be at 250 and well beyond now that I’m healthy and I am going to go through the same bullshit, but who cares what underachievers think. Let them live miserable non-existent lives. Let them be sheep and cowardly human beings.[/quote]

People are fucking pathetic. Like some I know who think it’s ridiculous that we’ll spend 2-3 hours sometimes in the gym, especially when getting ready for a meet. Well, how many movies do they rent per week? How long do they spend in bars drinking beer every weekend? How much TV do they watch? Why is it okay to spend that time doing something that you like but provides you absolutely no benefit but when we do it to get strong it’s ridiculous?

People have no clue what non-pathetic results they could achieve. I’ve told guys in the gym to their faces that their lifts are terrible and what they should shoot for and been told to fuck off? Why? I’m bad because I told them they’re capable of more than their doing? If I were full of sunshine and bunny tails it would be okay, I guess.

Everyone wants their hands held and accolades they don’t deserve. Only a few people can actually get shit done and those are the ones I want to train, train with and emulate.

/rant

phatkins187 · March 19, 2009, 2:41pm

[quote]Itchy wrote:
I think full-body might be the way to go for an abject beginner who is very weak to begin with. They will gain strength rapidly from session to session without accumulating a lot of fatigue.

I also think they might be useful for those with very demanding schedules who have very little time to train but want to maintain their strength and conditioning levels.

I do not think they are ideal for someone whose number one goal is gaining as much muscle as possible. As for CW’s programs in particular–any program that neglects arm training completely is hard to take seriously.[/quote]

Show me a beginner who can do a pullup, shit, even a pushup (which have ample arm work). CW programs aren’t for beginners. I’d consider myself advanced and struggled with bulgarian split squats, single leg deadlifts, and other lifts CW subscribes.

anonym · March 19, 2009, 6:47pm

[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
I’d consider myself advanced and struggled with bulgarian split squats, single leg deadlifts, and other lifts CW subscribes.[/quote]

No offense, guy, but 2 years training and 188 pounds (15% of that being bodyfat) at 5’9" isn’t exactly the definition of “advanced”.

phatkins187 · March 19, 2009, 6:50pm

None taken…nice avatar. I guess experienced would be a better adjective.

LankyMofo · March 19, 2009, 6:59pm

While there are a great many misconceptions about working out and building muscle, acting like you’re better than everyone who chooses not to probably isn’t the best solution. I seriously doubt the people bitching in this thread are constantly discriminated against because of their lifestyle.

BTW, why is this thread is still going? You all let the troll get to you?

Itchy · March 19, 2009, 7:44pm

[quote]SSC wrote:
Itchy wrote:
People care about different things. Being 250 might be important to you–others might think it’s a silly goal, but you’ve obviously made it a priority.

I don’t like people downplaying my progress and making excuses for themselves anymore than you do, but not everyone who isn’t making bodybuilding their top priority in life is lazy and cowardly, nor do they all lead “non-existant lives.”

But I still don’t think this is the issue at hand. The issue is a guy posting in the BODYBUILDING forum about being ‘a real-world guy,’ and talking about “functionality,” as if building larger muscles somehow takes this away from someone.

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???[/quote]

I get that. I was responding only to his offensive staements, not anything to do with this topic.

Itchy · March 19, 2009, 7:52pm

[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
Itchy wrote:

Show me a beginner who can do a pullup, shit, even a pushup (which have ample arm work). CW programs aren’t for beginners. I’d consider myself advanced and struggled with bulgarian split squats, single leg deadlifts, and other lifts CW subscribes.[/quote]

Lots of beginners can do pullups, dude.

And no, pushups are not “ample” arm work.

So you’re arguing that because CW’s programs are hard, it means they’re result-producing?

Oh, and you are not advanced.

Itchy · March 19, 2009, 11:55pm

[quote]SSC wrote:

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???[/quote]

It means you have small arms.
Probably a big mouth, too.

maglite · March 19, 2009, 8:13pm

[quote]SSC wrote:
Itchy wrote:
People care about different things. Being 250 might be important to you–others might think it’s a silly goal, but you’ve obviously made it a priority.

I don’t like people downplaying my progress and making excuses for themselves anymore than you do, but not everyone who isn’t making bodybuilding their top priority in life is lazy and cowardly, nor do they all lead “non-existant lives.”

But I still don’t think this is the issue at hand.

The issue is a guy posting in the BODYBUILDING forum about being ‘a real-world guy,’ and talking about “functionality,” as if building larger muscles somehow takes this away from someone.

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???[/quote]

sorry man, didn’t mean to upset anyone. But to tackle your issues:
“real world guy” simply implies that I don’t compete in anything or make my living from how I look.

As far as functionality goes. I was up around 225 when I was in my early twenties. I couldn’t play with my nephews because I would get tired easily, plane flights were very uncomfortable, certain clothes wouldn’t fit me, etc. I guess for me, being functional means carrying enough mass to where it is evident, when I’m in clothes, that I train.

However, I want to be thought of as “lean” and be able to live an active lifestyle. To each his own I say. I posted here based on the topic, not because it’s a “bodybuilding” forum.
I have great respect for Waterbury, as well as many other coaches on this site, and I am thankful for all the input and advice they give us.

I’ve also spent the better part of 10 years of my life training hard and improving myself. I would love to share that with anyone who will listen.

maglite · March 19, 2009, 8:19pm

[quote]Itchy wrote:
SSC wrote:

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???

It means you have small arms.
Probably a big mouth, too.[/quote]

I’m taking this as directed at me. If so, I don’t feel I have a big mouth. You can certainly look back at all my posts to see that. As for small arms…I don’t think thats the case.

they are by no means big…but I would certainly take offense to small. And if it matters, the bulk of my biceps work is weighted chins. Close grip bench for Tri’s.

I do love the passion though…some of you guys can get pretty hardcore about this shit

Itchy · March 19, 2009, 8:40pm

[quote]maglite wrote:
Itchy wrote:
SSC wrote:

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???

It means you have small arms.
Probably a big mouth, too.

I’m taking this as directed at me. If so, I don’t feel I have a big mouth. You can certainly look back at all my posts to see that. As for small arms…I don’t think thats the case. they are by no means big…but I would certainly take offense to small. And if it matters, the bulk of my biceps work is weighted chins. Close grip bench for Tri’s.
I do love the passion though…some of you guys can get pretty hardcore about this shit[/quote]

It was directed at the horde of small, weak guys who preach about the superiority of full-body routines to splits because somehow their smaller, weaker muscles are more “functional.”

Cephalic_Carnage · March 19, 2009, 8:42pm

[quote]maglite wrote:

sorry man, didn’t mean to upset anyone. But to tackle your issues:
“real world guy” simply implies that I don’t compete in anything or make my living from how I look.

As far as functionality goes. I was up around 225 when I was in my early twenties. I couldn’t play with my nephews because I would get tired easily, plane flights were very uncomfortable, certain clothes wouldn’t fit me, etc. I guess for me, being functional means carrying enough mass to where it is evident, when I’m in clothes, that I train.

However, I want to be thought of as “lean” and be able to live an active lifestyle. To each his own I say. I posted here based on the topic, not because it’s a “bodybuilding” forum.
I have great respect for Waterbury, as well as many other coaches on this site, and I am thankful for all the input and advice they give us.

I’ve also spent the better part of 10 years of my life training hard and improving myself. I would love to share that with anyone who will listen. [/quote]

Hmm. You’re 5’10 like me but 225lbs made you tire out fast etc?
Did you just drop all cardio/activity/let yourself go or what?

My problems usually start in the 250-260’s, though as long as I regularly do cardio and don’t get outright fat I feel fine in general (pays to own a dog or two).
Eating enough to have the energy for lots of activity is another factor…
Sleeping is more of an issue (position-wise etc as I can’t sleep on the shoulders at that weight).

Also, come on, plane flights are always uncomfortable if you’re not traveling first class ;D

I’m going to go as far as to say that if you can fly economy class and don’t find the experience uncomfortable, then you’re most likely rather skinny.

And at 225, I had little trouble with clothes (aside from tight jeans and karl-lagerfeldt shirts, but who likes to wear those…).
220 was roughly the weight where I started to look big in clothes… Below that was just “looking good nekkid”/beach-boy look (i.e. not big at all unless pumped and wearing very little).

m1sf1t · March 19, 2009, 9:46pm

[quote]SSC wrote:
Itchy wrote:
People care about different things. Being 250 might be important to you–others might think it’s a silly goal, but you’ve obviously made it a priority.

I don’t like people downplaying my progress and making excuses for themselves anymore than you do, but not everyone who isn’t making bodybuilding their top priority in life is lazy and cowardly, nor do they all lead “non-existant lives.”

But I still don’t think this is the issue at hand. The issue is a guy posting in the BODYBUILDING forum about being ‘a real-world guy,’ and talking about “functionality,” as if building larger muscles somehow takes this away from someone.

And can some please define what exactly functional means? Pretty please???[/quote]

Oh boy… [shakes head]

Like I’ve mentioned many times before, a big percentage of my yearly training is dedicated to TBT, but I even think that using dumb terms like “functional” totally discredits a lot of the results and applications of these methods.

Moving forward, please, PLEASE do NOT use the word “functional” UNLESS you are referring to specific terms of [b]functional strength[/b] or [b]functional hypertrophy[/b], it’s not like bodybuilders “de-learn” how to run or jump and on the same token, nobody becomes an athlete by doing single-limb movements, etc.

Using that term is greatly becoming synonymous with “I’m a whimp and I want to say my ankles are strong” or “this is my excuse for not getting big” and it totally weakens the point of argument when these “discussions” appear every other month…

The goals define the procedures…

maglite · March 19, 2009, 10:04pm

my goal is to look good on the beach AND in karl lagerfeldt shirts!!! someone please tell me the best way to go about doing that!! And by the way, I would put my ankle strength up against the best on this site!

Professor_X · March 19, 2009, 10:05pm

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
maglite wrote:

sorry man, didn’t mean to upset anyone. But to tackle your issues:
“real world guy” simply implies that I don’t compete in anything or make my living from how I look.

As far as functionality goes. I was up around 225 when I was in my early twenties. I couldn’t play with my nephews because I would get tired easily, plane flights were very uncomfortable, certain clothes wouldn’t fit me, etc.

I guess for me, being functional means carrying enough mass to where it is evident, when I’m in clothes, that I train.

However, I want to be thought of as “lean” and be able to live an active lifestyle. To each his own I say. I posted here based on the topic, not because it’s a “bodybuilding” forum.
I have great respect for Waterbury, as well as many other coaches on this site, and I am thankful for all the input and advice they give us.

I’ve also spent the better part of 10 years of my life training hard and improving myself. I would love to share that with anyone who will listen.

Hmm. You’re 5’10 like me but 225lbs made you tire out fast etc?

Did you just drop all cardio/activity/let yourself go or what?

My problems usually start in the 250-260’s, though as long as I regularly do cardio and don’t get outright fat I feel fine in general (pays to own a dog or two).

Eating enough to have the energy for lots of activity is another factor…
Sleeping is more of an issue (position-wise etc as I can’t sleep on the shoulders at that weight).

Also, come on, plane flights are always uncomfortable if you’re not traveling first class ;D
I’m going to go as far as to say that if you can fly economy class and don’t find the experience uncomfortable, then you’re most likely rather skinny.

And at 225, I had little trouble with clothes (aside from tight jeans and karl-lagerfeldt shirts, but who likes to wear those…).
220 was roughly the weight where I started to look big in clothes… Below that was just “looking good nekkid”/beach-boy look (i.e. not big at all unless pumped and wearing very little).

[/quote]

Agreed. I was FAR from “so big I tire easily” when I was only 225lbs. That doesn’t even make sense unless he was really fat at that weight.

I think people like this are a lot like the ones screaming that they used to be my size when they were younger but they somehow lost all of that grade A muscle because they were too big to walk.

If telling yourself that you want to avoid making a lot of progress because making progress is bad helps you sleep at night, why log in here?

Is this who CW attracts? People content with minimal progress yet convinced this makes them better somehow?

m1sf1t · March 19, 2009, 10:36pm

[shakes head again]

I must agree. Have you seen how fast and athletic 240 lb. linebackers can be? how about strongman competitors during some of their events? Getting winded has much more to do with being de-conditioned other than the fact people are carrying “too much muscle”.

On a separate note though, I too, have a hard time sleeping on my sides now and I have a really hard time finding pants that fit, but like it was mentioned, those aren’t top priorities in my life right now…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
maglite wrote:

sorry man, didn’t mean to upset anyone. But to tackle your issues:
“real world guy” simply implies that I don’t compete in anything or make my living from how I look.

As far as functionality goes. I was up around 225 when I was in my early twenties. I couldn’t play with my nephews because I would get tired easily, plane flights were very uncomfortable, certain clothes wouldn’t fit me, etc.

I guess for me, being functional means carrying enough mass to where it is evident, when I’m in clothes, that I train.

However, I want to be thought of as “lean” and be able to live an active lifestyle. To each his own I say. I posted here based on the topic, not because it’s a “bodybuilding” forum.

I have great respect for Waterbury, as well as many other coaches on this site, and I am thankful for all the input and advice they give us.

I’ve also spent the better part of 10 years of my life training hard and improving myself. I would love to share that with anyone who will listen.

Hmm. You’re 5’10 like me but 225lbs made you tire out fast etc?

Did you just drop all cardio/activity/let yourself go or what?

My problems usually start in the 250-260’s, though as long as I regularly do cardio and don’t get outright fat I feel fine in general (pays to own a dog or two).

Eating enough to have the energy for lots of activity is another factor…
Sleeping is more of an issue (position-wise etc as I can’t sleep on the shoulders at that weight).

Also, come on, plane flights are always uncomfortable if you’re not traveling first class ;D

I’m going to go as far as to say that if you can fly economy class and don’t find the experience uncomfortable, then you’re most likely rather skinny.

And at 225, I had little trouble with clothes (aside from tight jeans and karl-lagerfeldt shirts, but who likes to wear those…).

220 was roughly the weight where I started to look big in clothes… Below that was just “looking good nekkid”/beach-boy look (i.e. not big at all unless pumped and wearing very little).

Agreed. I was FAR from “so big I tire easily” when I was only 225lbs. That doesn’t even make sense unless he was really fat at that weight.

I think people like this are a lot like the ones screaming that they used to be my size when they were younger but they somehow lost all of that grade A muscle because they were too big to walk.

If telling yourself that you want to avoid making a lot of progress because making progress is bad helps you sleep at night, why log in here?

Is this who CW attracts? People content with minimal progress yet convinced this makes them better somehow?[/quote]

maglite · March 20, 2009, 12:12am