I don’t think it matters who Ronnie’s competition is. He’ll get the win just to have him break the record, even if someone should beat him out. Followed by his retirement.
Ideally I would like to see Cutler beat him though. Crush Ronnie one win shy of the record.
[quote]SLERG wrote:
Dexter is a FREAK!!, and has what I believe to be the new type of physique that the judges are looking for[/quote]
I don’t think the judges have any idea what they’re looking for. Ronnie is going to win, and that’s the end of it.
[quote]bboybean wrote:
I heard something about Jay shaving his head for the Oylmpia?[/quote]
He said he would shave his head if he didn’t win the Olympia this year.
His hairdresser should book him in for this Monday.
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Speaking of Dexter…
And Flex.[/quote]
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
[quote]bigjoey wrote:
Any one want to post predictions for the Olympia?
Before I start this post, I want to note the following comments commonly brought up whenever stuff like the Olympia is brought up:
“Bodybuilding isn’t a sport”
“Bodybuilders are all weak, they’re not real athletes”
“Who cares about bodybuilding?”
etc etc etc…
With these comments noted, it would be nice if future posters refrained from giving them further attention.
IN any case, here are my predictions:
Ronnie vs Jay - I don’t think many doubt that Ronnie will break Lee Haney’s record this year. Chad Nicholls has said he is gonna bring him in similar to 2003 but slightly heavier. If he does this he will be unbeatable despite Jay’s efforts. The big question is, will he retire? Much as I am a fan, I certainly hope he steps aside and lets the new blood take over. He has nothing left to prove in the sport.
As for Jay, I think he knows this could very well be his last chance to take Ronnie down; and therefore will be freakier than ever. It’s funny, the Ronnie/Jay thing, they have clearly pushed one another to this next level.
Looking at the competitors this year, the top ten could be more competitive than has been seen in a long time.
OLD HANDS:
Dexter Jackson - I never got why this guy gets such big props. Yeah, he has packed substantial muscle on a smaller, more aesthetic bone structure and can get into freakish condition. But he is not completely without distention and has high lats; so how does he have such a great overall ‘package’, the thing that people seem to talk about most? In any case the judges seem to like him and third place is likely. He is also the only one (apart from Ronnie) to have beaten Jay in recent years.
Gustavo Badell - Similar in structure to Jay but has not offset it with unbelievabley wide delts the way Jay has. Was good last year and could get as high as third, but if the up-and-comers make a move he could get pushed out of the top five.
Gunther Schlienkampf - It will be interesting to see how Gunther comes in this year. Apparently he has really been working on his back and tris and he could be closely competitive with someone like Gustavo; but with his thick hips I still don’t think he is in contention for the big title; despite that infamous GNC win against Ronnie years ago.
Dennis James - KNown for looking fantastic a few weeks out and blowing it on the day. Has an awesome bone structure and is mountains of muscle, especially the chest and delts. Could easily make top five if all goes well.
Markus Ruhl - Was 5th in 2004 but came in softer and smaller after apparently trying to bring down his belly in 2005 and finished 15th. He has now the stated goal of going back to his freakish ways. His chest/trap/delt combo gives him an inhumanly powerful look from the front, but his back detail has always been a weak point. IN any case, his placing will depend heavily on whether the direction for less distension is applied.
Darrem Charles - Has a very aesthetic physique but hasn’t changed a lot over the years. It’s hard to see him placing higher than he has in the past; although the distention rule, if applied, will certainly work to his advantage.
DARK HORSES:
Victor Martinez - Presumably to Jay’s great frustration, this is the guy many are tipping as the heir apparent. This guy has the most mesomorphic structure since Sergio Oliva and could provide a unique combination of mass and aesthetics which would be tough to beat. My prediction is that he will wait till at least next year before making any big moves and playing his hand; and instead come in just a little better than last year to make top five.
Branch Warren - Has made leaps and bounds in his physique in the last couple years. While Victor, Jay and Dexter are the names most commonly brought up as the next Mr. O, this guy has a rugged, powerful look to his physique, reminiscent of Dorian Yates; and with some work could take it away from them all. I would say he is more likely to make a move sooner rather than later and a top 3 finish is not completely out of reach for this guy. Awesome, particularly in the chest and legs, the latter arguably the best in the sport at the moment.
Tony Freeman - Big and tall, another with a classic mesomorph’s physique. With a bit more muscle he could be a top contender.
What do you guys think?[/quote]
well, bigjoey. you have certainly spent a lot of time contemplating this here olympia. you have practically written a magazine about it.
so when someone asked ‘who cares?’ i immediately thought: “bigjoey! that’s who!”
by they way. bodybuilding is not a sport, these guys are not athletes.
wrestling is real.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
by they way. bodybuilding is not a sport, these guys are not athletes.
.[/quote]
Please no, not this discussion again.
In re to the Mr O, Ronnie by a country mile.
What channel is this going to be on?
[quote]BoxBabaX wrote:
What channel is this going to be on?[/quote]
Webcast for 24.99 I think. Or its on ppv also I believe.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
by they way. bodybuilding is not a sport, these guys are not athletes.
.
Please no, not this discussion again.
[/quote]
Here and I thought I’d try to nip it in the bud with the first post, but no, there just seems to be some people who read posts with the specific intention of hating on them and can’t help but engage in this kind of pissing in the wind. Kinda pathetic, really.
For the record, yes BB is a freak show, but it’s an interesting freakshow.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
well, bigjoey. you have certainly spent a lot of time contemplating this here olympia. you have practically written a magazine about it.
so when someone asked ‘who cares?’ i immediately thought: “bigjoey! that’s who!”
by they way. bodybuilding is not a sport, these guys are not athletes.
wrestling is real.[/quote]
If you don’t care, why respond to this thread at all? Some people on this board do follow bodybuilding. That includes amateur and professional contests (I mostly follow NPC contests). If you don’t, who really cares what you think on any issue involving it?
My predicitions:
1: Ronnie
2: Jay
3: Gustavo
4: Dexter (my personal fave, great looking physique)
5: Branch
6: Victor
No-one can beat Ronnie, unless the way they judge changes hugely.
[quote]summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.[/quote]
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?
[quote]Miserere wrote:
summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?[/quote]
I didn’t see anything wrong with how they were training. It makes me wonder if some of you are trying to be TOO strict in how you perform an exercise and if that isn’t holding back your progress.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Miserere wrote:
summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?
I didn’t see anything with how they were training. It makes me wonder if some of you are trying to be TOO strict in how you perform an exercise and if that isn’t holding back your progress.[/quote]
I think your absolutly right there.
Firstly thanks Bigjoey for a good original post, and I agree if you want to say how much you dislike bodybuilding et cetera go to just about any other thread on this forum and you can piss in the wind all day with your newly never before heard opinions on the world of bodybuilding, because I have never heard someone say GH freak before, wow!
Even in the OP’s post he asked for those opinions to not run over the thread, lol did anyone read it?
I agree with you assesment I think you are a little hard on Dexter though, he has built a phenomenal body and high lats are easier to look past than distended bellies. I also agree with Dareem Charles, he has a great aesthetic build but he hasn’t seemed to try to advance or improve his body in years, though in my opinion I am not sure what else he could possible need.
I think after Ronnie beats Haney’s record than he will have incentive to step down, there isn’t anything else he can prove, but if he is on his game like that why not conquere both Arnold’s record (broken) and now Haney’s.
PS. About these guys training, some of you guys are so strict with your movements…seriously. It’s not as if your body goes "we aren’t at exactly 90% parellel during this bent-over row, we refuse to grow because in the real world you only do strict movements to grow muscle…bullshit.
I see form needed on key lifts such as squat/dead to prevent a very possible injury, but if someone wants to use a bit of momentum for their bicep curls…who are you to argue with results."
[quote]Miserere wrote:
summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?[/quote]
People are still surprised that you get the biggest by using the heaviest weight possible? If even the MOST built guys in history are doubted for sacrificing ROM and perfect non-cheating form for building the most muscle, I guess people will always be surprised.
[quote]allNatural wrote:
Miserere wrote:
summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?
People are still surprised that you get the biggest by using the heaviest weight possible? If even the MOST built guys in history are doubted for sacrificing ROM and perfect non-cheating form for building the most muscle, I guess people will always be surprised.[/quote]
Good post. Just to make it clear though, the guys at the gym not using absolutely perfect textbook form but carrying arms the size of your legs are NOT training wrong. It may make you feel good to look at your 15"ers and brag about how perfect the angle of your elbow was to the ground while doing that dumbbell press with 35lbs in each hand, and you may wow all of your friends by being able to use a contruction balance tool to mark your barbell as “perfect” when doing curls, but that doesn’t mean anything if you aren’t making progress from it.
[quote]Jesse Snadden wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Miserere wrote:
summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?
I didn’t see anything with how they were training. It makes me wonder if some of you are trying to be TOO strict in how you perform an exercise and if that isn’t holding back your progress.
I think your absolutly right there.
[/quote]
I tried to find it to copy and paste but I couldn’t. I read a comment by CT in one of his posts where he said that he is not against using momentum in some exercises if that momentum is going to allow you to lift heavier weights which in turn will alow you to grow bigger muscles.
Ronnie will win even if he comes in at 15%bf. The returning champ always wins. MR. O is rigged. Going back to 1984, there have been only 3 winners:
Lee Haney, Dorian, and Ronnie. None of them ever lost. They just retired and handed the batton off to someone else. Ronnie will keep winning as long as he is standing on the stage. When he retires then someone else will step in and win 7-8 in a row and so on.
Before Lee, there was Bannout (1983), Dickerson (82), Columbo (81), Arnold in 1980 (of course he won, he’s Arnold), 77-79 was Zane, Franco in 76, then Arnold from 72-75.
Interesting fact, a returning Mr. O has never lost (except Zane). When Bannout won, reigning champ Dickerson did not compete. When Dickerson won, reigning champ Columbo didn’t compete. The only former Mr. O to loose was Zane in 1980 (but he lost to Arnold) and 82 to Dickerson.
See a trend? Here’s a good link.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Miserere wrote:
summa wrote:
I am frequently amazed by the form these guys use when working out. I saw a lot of momentum being used, a short ROM, and very little isolation from using a lot of body-english. Yet, they are the best developed humans (biggest freaks)in the world.
Yep, that is so true. What I always wonder is whether they would get so big training like that if it weren’t on juice. OK, I know they wouldn’t get that big, but would they grow, injury-free, with that kind of training?
I didn’t see anything wrong with how they were training. It makes me wonder if some of you are trying to be TOO strict in how you perform an exercise and if that isn’t holding back your progress.[/quote]
Good point. Criticizing pro BB’rs lifting form is like criticizing Michael Jordan for not executing text-book bounce passes or Samma Sosa for not having a perfect batter’s stance. The answer is yes, these guys would still be HUGE without drugs.