[quote]Koing wrote:
061
08/08/2012
FS 175x2 2nd rep felt f0cking heavy; 165 x2
Sn Pulls 43
110x3
120x3
125x3
125x3
125x3
110x3 2nd rep felt really fast!
Koing[/quote]
It almost looks like you can pull 125 high enough to POWER snatch it. Why not do the pulls with more weight?
[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:
Very impressive pistol squats!
Likewise, congrats on getting back to the jerks!
My son has a hip injury as well (happened one week out from Youth Nationals) and has not been able to squat, clean, or snatch but has been crushing the rack jerks! He hit a 12.5kg PR run last week! I’d post video if anyone wants to see but it really blurry from a cell phone 
He’s also seeing a PT and DO and is slow to fully recover (his x-rays were negative for a joint issue - it seems to be soft tissue). I can empathize with your struggle.
Stay the course young lady!
Onward and upward…[/quote]
Thank you! Great News about mini Kevin’s PR! =) Hope his hip issues go away quickly. He’s young so probably before he knows it.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
still hip issues Deb? you’re suffering like me then… (btw I’m out for 12 weeks officially, have to get the bone edema down in my knee/shin).
have you ever had someone do Graston technique on whatever hurts? I had bad hip pain (femoral anterior glide syndrome) and went in for Graston, cleared up immediately after one session, and then it was gone for good after a couple more sessions. [/quote]
I googled that and no way that sounds like hell! Right now I’m getting dry needle treatment and it’s as shitty as it sounds. It seems to work really well but then after a few days, regardless of activity, I get knotted up again. It’s definitely soft tissue but the professionals are surprised that it’s recurring. I am pleased to be able to do those pistols but bummed at the same time because it makes me doubt if I can exercise my problem away.
The needling as much as it sucks, gets rid of all the knots and tension causing my problems and then my abs feel DOMs from having to work again or something and it feels GREAT but it’s short lived.
The problem is moving around so I don’t know if that’s a good or a bad sign. For example, I had a horrible tight spot in my midback on one side for the past three days and finally I got aggressive enough with the lacrosse ball in my glute and there was a tiny pop and IT IS GONE. But now I am feeling tightness in my quads :PPP
What’s really annoying is I’m more flexible and balanced (both legs are as strong) than ever, my abs are strong (and I’m quite a bit softer than I used to be but I can even see them through the fluff), my medial glutes have actually gotten bigger and stronger from doing all these pistols, I can sprint faster than I’ve ever done before but dammit snatches and cleans I can’t seem to do (yet) I’ve seriously thought about joining the masters track and field team at the college and give up on weightlifting but then I see those pretty weights and jerk boxes and I weep 
Watching the weightlifting in the Olympics is killing me. I totally sympathize with you, so you know Andy.
If the knots keep coming back, you are addressing the result of the problem, not the problem itself. Have you tried going to a chiropractor? If not, it may be something to consider.
[quote]1llusion wrote:
If the knots keep coming back, you are addressing the result of the problem, not the problem itself. Have you tried going to a chiropractor? If not, it may be something to consider.[/quote]
I went through a couple of chiropractors first and things only got worse after dealing with them. I used to have a minor irritation in my thighs that seemed to be preventing me from snatching properly but after seeing the chiros it’s a constant pain and now my back has been affected. Maybe that was inevitable or maybe it wasn’t but I’m not keen on trying them again.
Since i’ve decided to leave bodybuilding in pursuit of Olympic Lifting, I spent this morning greasing the groove. Did an hour and half of Snatches and Clean & Jerks. Dont worry about my numbers, because they suck : P
But I have a question on weightlifitng shoes, specifically the 2011 Pendlay WL. If I wear a size 11 in dress shoe, should I go with a size 11 in WL shoes? I read they run wide, good thing cuz my feet are a little wide.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:
Very impressive pistol squats!
Likewise, congrats on getting back to the jerks!
My son has a hip injury as well (happened one week out from Youth Nationals) and has not been able to squat, clean, or snatch but has been crushing the rack jerks! He hit a 12.5kg PR run last week! I’d post video if anyone wants to see but it really blurry from a cell phone
He’s also seeing a PT and DO and is slow to fully recover (his x-rays were negative for a joint issue - it seems to be soft tissue). I can empathize with your struggle.
Stay the course young lady!
Onward and upward…[/quote]
Thank you! Great News about mini Kevin’s PR! =) Hope his hip issues go away quickly. He’s young so probably before he knows it.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
still hip issues Deb? you’re suffering like me then… (btw I’m out for 12 weeks officially, have to get the bone edema down in my knee/shin).
have you ever had someone do Graston technique on whatever hurts? I had bad hip pain (femoral anterior glide syndrome) and went in for Graston, cleared up immediately after one session, and then it was gone for good after a couple more sessions. [/quote]
I googled that and no way that sounds like hell! Right now I’m getting dry needle treatment and it’s as shitty as it sounds. It seems to work really well but then after a few days, regardless of activity, I get knotted up again. It’s definitely soft tissue but the professionals are surprised that it’s recurring. I am pleased to be able to do those pistols but bummed at the same time because it makes me doubt if I can exercise my problem away.
The needling as much as it sucks, gets rid of all the knots and tension causing my problems and then my abs feel DOMs from having to work again or something and it feels GREAT but it’s short lived.
The problem is moving around so I don’t know if that’s a good or a bad sign. For example, I had a horrible tight spot in my midback on one side for the past three days and finally I got aggressive enough with the lacrosse ball in my glute and there was a tiny pop and IT IS GONE. But now I am feeling tightness in my quads :PPP
What’s really annoying is I’m more flexible and balanced (both legs are as strong) than ever, my abs are strong (and I’m quite a bit softer than I used to be but I can even see them through the fluff), my medial glutes have actually gotten bigger and stronger from doing all these pistols, I can sprint faster than I’ve ever done before but dammit snatches and cleans I can’t seem to do (yet) I’ve seriously thought about joining the masters track and field team at the college and give up on weightlifting but then I see those pretty weights and jerk boxes and I weep
Watching the weightlifting in the Olympics is killing me. I totally sympathize with you, so you know Andy.[/quote]
no you empathize with me… lol 
Yes Graston hurts but it’s not NEARLY as bad as you think. If it’s a soft tissue injury for sure I would just get evaluated by a PT who does Graston and get it done… I had it done on where my hip flexors and sartorius meet the pelvis area. Not one of the best spots to get Graston done (lol), but really it wasn’t that bad. And the session is short. Well worth it IMO.
Dry needling looks like it sucks. I’ve had acupuncture and I didn’t really like the twitches it gave my leg muscles, this looks worse though. Have you looked at prolotherapy by any chance?
Also, what did the PT say about what was actually causing your pain? Usually it’s not just soft tissue but there should be specific muscle weaknesses as well which may be causing the problem to recur.
And have you looked at any mobilitywod videos?
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]1llusion wrote:
If the knots keep coming back, you are addressing the result of the problem, not the problem itself. Have you tried going to a chiropractor? If not, it may be something to consider.[/quote]
I went through a couple of chiropractors first and things only got worse after dealing with them. I used to have a minor irritation in my thighs that seemed to be preventing me from snatching properly but after seeing the chiros it’s a constant pain and now my back has been affected. Maybe that was inevitable or maybe it wasn’t but I’m not keen on trying them again. [/quote]
Fair enough. Don’t keep trying the same thing if you aren’t getting the desired result. Have you done any active release? You could also look for a PICP level 2 in your area and ask for a lower body structural balance assessment. That will tell you what is short/tight and weak/strong in your lower body.
I may have some valuable insights here, being both a weightlifter and a physiotherapist.
What I’m about to say is mostly just “general” stuff and not specific to the problems that DebraD is having, as I’m obviously in alot worse position then her PT to comment.
Having said that, here are some thoughts I had reading this thread:
Sorry for the long post. Since this is a log, here’s my workout from today:
A: powersnatches for volume. 50x2,2 52,5x2,2 55x2,2 57,2x2,2 50x2 55x2 50x2,2,2,2,2,2,2
B: Backsquat for fives: 60x5 70x5 80x5 90x5 100x5 - maintenance work, current block focuses on strength off the floor and posterior chain hyperthrophy
C: Hip thrusters: 50x5 60x5 65x5,5,5
D: Shoulder xt+int rotation, 15lbs x 3x10
Might start logging here :)…
-PRs to date:
Sn- 80 PS: 65
C+J- 105 PC: 92.5 (95 Questionable)
BS- 155 Clean- 107.5
FS- 135
Was very fed up and burnt out from doing heavy Sn, CJ and BS/FS daily… Which worked, but at a price.
Now i’m just coming off the end of a 3 week FULL layoff, primarily spent at the Olympics in London. Joints feel infinitely better, however strength is down without a shadow of a doubt.
Plan to do the first session of my new cycle Monday
[quote]kidRiot wrote:
Since i’ve decided to leave bodybuilding in pursuit of Olympic Lifting, I spent this morning greasing the groove. Did an hour and half of Snatches and Clean & Jerks. Dont worry about my numbers, because they suck : P
But I have a question on weightlifitng shoes, specifically the 2011 Pendlay WL. If I wear a size 11 in dress shoe, should I go with a size 11 in WL shoes? I read they run wide, good thing cuz my feet are a little wide.[/quote]
I don’t have an answer for you but you could post on Pendlay’s forum. He will answer you personally if no one else does.
Andy, Yeah, I’ve been on the mobilitywod page everyday, lol.
The dry needling is mostly mental in it’s discomfort. I can’t stand needles and I get all twitchy and freaked out when I know one is coming but I barely feel them most of the time. It’s not meant to do everything on it’s own, I still need to correct what is causing it.
We think it’s an issue with pelvic stability with some weakened glutes. My PT thought there might have been some muscle atrophy on my lower back but she wasn’t sure because my erectors are quite developed there and drop off (or something like that–she was poking around at my lower back and I couldn’t see what she was seeing. My erectors are constantly engaged and tight (until she gets the needles out 
)
[quote]1llusion wrote:
Fair enough. Don’t keep trying the same thing if you aren’t getting the desired result. Have you done any active release? You could also look for a PICP level 2 in your area and ask for a lower body structural balance assessment. That will tell you what is short/tight and weak/strong in your lower body.
[/quote]
The chiros I saw both did some ART. My massage therapist does it too and it does give me temporary relief. My PT did give me the assessment. And a bunch of other stuff too that I’m not sure what the purpose is. She also gave me an ultrasound and taught me to engage my TVA properly and has got me working on my pelvic tilt.
[quote]Garlic wrote:
I may have some valuable insights here, being both a weightlifter and a physiotherapist.
What I’m about to say is mostly just “general” stuff and not specific to the problems that DebraD is having, as I’m obviously in alot worse position then her PT to comment.
Having said that, here are some thoughts I had reading this thread:
Thanks Garlic, that is the most encouraging thing I’ve heard ever! =D
you ever try BB hip thrusts for them glutes? I finally tried them out, only did 135 lbs for 3x8 and it was intense. Not only do you feel the glutes like crazy but you’ll be sore on the upper glute area as well. I’m doing this once a week for sure. Also my lower back instantly loosened up. I’m assuming this is because my hip went from anterior pelvic tilt right back to neutral when I started hammering my glutes.
[quote]ape288 wrote:
[quote]Koing wrote:
061
08/08/2012
FS 175x2 2nd rep felt f0cking heavy; 165 x2
Sn Pulls 43
110x3
120x3
125x3
125x3
125x3
110x3 2nd rep felt really fast!
Koing[/quote]
It almost looks like you can pull 125 high enough to POWER snatch it. Why not do the pulls with more weight?[/quote]
The 125 is not high enough to PS yet The 110 I should be able to PS within a few weeks if I practice PS.
Why not use more weight? I’m using them for a speed exercise. Helping me pull properly off the floor but more importantly I want power in the 2nd pull. I want the bar to be up to my neck on each rep of the pulls.
I’ll phase in heavy pulls but that’ll probably be in 6 weeks time.
Koing
062
11/08/2012
FS
165x 1/2 : buried on the 2nd rep?! Going to just crank out 3s at whatever weight my legs can take. My belt is loose due to the 2kg weight loss.
PC
120
120
125
130x
130x
Sprint Drills
30m x 5
Hypers 12 12 12
Koing
BLAST FROM THE PAST
9th August: 2004: Doss session.
Warm up
Wide grip chins: With pause inbetween each set.
7reps
7reps
7reps
I hurt my elbow and after a comp you take the rest of the week off pretty much. Not doing much and I am totally spent anyway.
Mainly went to the gym to coach some guys.
Koing
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
you ever try BB hip thrusts for them glutes? I finally tried them out, only did 135 lbs for 3x8 and it was intense. Not only do you feel the glutes like crazy but you’ll be sore on the upper glute area as well. I’m doing this once a week for sure. Also my lower back instantly loosened up. I’m assuming this is because my hip went from anterior pelvic tilt right back to neutral when I started hammering my glutes. [/quote]
As a matter a fact I did try those and like you said and we must have read the same article because I did 135 for 3x8 too and then I could barely walk the next day :PPP
I never did them again because I think it was too soon but I will try them (lighter!!) again.
My PT said no pulling at least until I see her again and while this isn’t pulling I think I’ll at least wait until I see her again so I’m not introducing any variables.
I did 4 sets of 5x140# front squats yesterday and everything felt really good. I should post a video and get you guys to comment. I also tried adding weight to the pistols because they’re getting easier and I can do sets of 5 hold 10lbs in each hand and keeping it at my chest (holding it out front just makes it easier so it doesn’t seem like a great idea) I suspect adding weight changes the exercise a bit so I might just stick with bodyweight.
I did a whole bunch of 55kg jerk singles trying to get used to it again. I should put my video up of those too because I’m pretty rusty. Hard to see properly when I’m using the boxes.
Koing, is the weight loss on purpose?
[quote]debraD wrote:
Koing, is the weight loss on purpose?[/quote]
No.
Loading at the Olympic Games, meant I’d run 20m to load one weight/ re tighten weights. So a small group was 7 people, that is 3sn and 3cj, that is 42x 20m! A bigger group was 10-14 lifters!!! I didn’t anywhere as much food as well so that dropped the weight down.
Strength has taken a bit of a tumble as well. My belt doesn’t fit me properly now either! I’m going to use my bros belt for a while. I’m off on holiday in 6 weeks so leaning down a bit will be alright. I just need to get my strength back up.
Koing
First session after my 3 week London lay off!
Snatch
40x3x2
50x3x2
55x2
60x2
65x2
70x1
70x1
Snatch Balance (3sec pause in hole)
60x3x2
65x3
70x2
75x2
FS
Barx5
60x5,
80x3
90x3
110x1
115x1
120x1
Nothing particularly heavy today but happy to be back in the gym!
The other day, hit a 130x2 snatch and clean and jerked 160 for a 2+1. Tried 165 twice, both times the first clean went up great and the second clean absolutely crushed me in the hole. Racked it but was just out of gas. Think I need to do some more heavy pulls and keep pushing the squats up.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
you ever try BB hip thrusts for them glutes? I finally tried them out, only did 135 lbs for 3x8 and it was intense. Not only do you feel the glutes like crazy but you’ll be sore on the upper glute area as well. I’m doing this once a week for sure. Also my lower back instantly loosened up. I’m assuming this is because my hip went from anterior pelvic tilt right back to neutral when I started hammering my glutes. [/quote]
As a matter a fact I did try those and like you said and we must have read the same article because I did 135 for 3x8 too and then I could barely walk the next day :PPP
[/quote]
you did 135 for 3x8 too? Man I’m a pussy.