srsly, don’t like it don’t read it.
I remember reading a Nate article where he said he’s working 3 to 4 hours per day now he’s with PN. Now he’s not working out all that much. What is Nate doing with all this free time on his hands?
[quote]tsantos wrote:
I remember reading a Nate article where he said he’s working 3 to 4 hours per day now he’s with PN. Now he’s not working out all that much. What is Nate doing with all this free time on his hands? [/quote]
Slaying hoes?
[quote]geordieboy wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
Regardless, the truth is that we never put pressure on employees or writers to praise supplements. If they do write good things, they do it on their own accord because they believe it."[/quote]
Yeah, I don’t believe this at all. Read any article on T-Nation. There will definitely be more than a couple of recommendations for T-Nation products. With convenient links to the Store webpage.[/quote]
I’m going to skip over that that you’re literally calling TC a liar, which is a douchey move on several levels. I’ll just point out that in the 24 articles T-Nation has put up over the last four weeks, from 20 different authors, a grand total of five of those articles contained links to products in the store.
This means… hold onto your hat… 80% of the most recent articles did not contain any links to products. Feel free to apologize now. Or backtrack. Or disappear. Your call.
That’s your opinion about the situation and you’re certainly entitled to it. However, you’re also allowed to GTFO if that’s your attitude.
Not sure why you’re giving more credence to the word of a former employee who now works for a kinda-sorta-competitor over the word of several people all saying the same thing. TC said it, I’ll go on record as saying it, Wendler has said it, Dan John has been very vocal for years about the supps he finds effective. The editors do not tell authors to gratuitously plug products.
^ From “2012 in Review” by Jim Wendler.
But you’ve decided, based apparently on a hunch, that it’s “less-than-honest.” If a coach believes a supplement works, he shouldn’t mention it, because then people will assume he’s being forced to mention it. Gotcha.
Not sure what all the hate is about.
I fully understand where Nate is coming from. EVERYTHING revolved around the gym when I was in my early twenties. Eating was ONLY for what it would do to my body composition, I wouldn’t take a hike or play basketball if I thought I would sacrifice an ounce of muscle gains, I would take protein shakes to Disney Land to make sure I could keep my nitrogen levels high throughout the day
I too am free of many of those constraints, and while lifting weights is still one of my favorite things to do and I dont do it any less, I can probably say I put myself in the same Category as Nate (a “recovering fitness junky” of whatever he said) because it no longer is the FOCUS of all my thoughts, its just something that I do now.
I dont take what Nate said as a slight against people that lift weights more than he does now, he is focusing on HIMSELF in the past and how small minded he was about life (again, as it pertains to himself, not that he or I think anyone who lives for the gym is small minded), and how now that he isn’t that way anymore he, personally, is living a more fulfilling life
This thread had a very odd double escalation. Kinda of strange.
[quote]geordieboy wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
Regardless, the truth is that we never put pressure on employees or writers to praise supplements. If they do write good things, they do it on their own accord because they believe it."[/quote]
Yeah, I don’t believe this at all. Read any article on T-Nation. There will definitely be more than a couple of recommendations for T-Nation products. With convenient links to the Store webpage.
Not that there is anything wrong with this. T-Nation has every right to aggressively market its products. I don’t think there is anything too wrong with TC leaning on the authors to recommend T-Nation products in their articles. After all, free loaders like myself are getting those articles for free. There’s nothing wrong with pushing YOUR products on YOUR articles that you are giving away for FREE.
I just take issue with being less-than-honest about it.[/quote]
If a bodybuilding website posts a hundred articles related to lifting and sports nutrition, how often will supplementation come up?
Twenty times? Thirty times? Forty? Pretty often.
And when supplementation comes up in an article on a bodybuilding website which is also in the supplement business, how natural (i.e., no “leaning” required) is it that the product mentioned will be the one manufactured by the company which runs the website, provided that the said company makes and sells something that falls within that particular category of supplement? Consider it from a slightly different angle: How unnatural and inexcusably stupid would it be for things to work differently, from the author’s perspective?
All this is not to mention the fact that Biotest makes good stuff, and it makes a big old pile of sense that people who write for T Nation would also be big on Flameout, for example. (This is coming from someone who doesn’t use supplements anymore.)
Which is a long way of saying that you are assuming as fact something which you do not know to be so. And, when you assume, you know what’s made out of you and me…
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]romeothemonk wrote:
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Anyone recall that funny thread a couple of years ago where some fat guy saw Nate’s book in the bargain bin at the mall, but the fat guy was too cheap to buy it? That thread was a shitstorm of laughs![/quote]
I have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]
I just clicked on that link and the board was way too hard on you.
I don’t understand why even the usually nice Iron Dwarf made that comment.
Also I don’t see that you looked fat. You have a naturally round face perhaps. So do I.[/quote]
Agreed. I was curious what all the fuss was about so I looked at that old thread.
romeothemonk made an amusing comment about some book in a dollar bin, one or two more established posters took (for some unknown reason) some shots at him, then a mob of cowards rushed in to join in on the gang bang.
I’ve seen similar things in mtb forums. All it takes is one poster who has more “seniority” in tenure and post count to start the fire and the sheep follow.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Not sure what all the hate is about.
I fully understand where Nate is coming from. EVERYTHING revolved around the gym when I was in my early twenties. Eating was ONLY for what it would do to my body composition, I wouldn’t take a hike or play basketball if I thought I would sacrifice an ounce of muscle gains, I would take protein shakes to Disney Land to make sure I could keep my nitrogen levels high throughout the day
I too am free of many of those constraints, and while lifting weights is still one of my favorite things to do and I dont do it any less, I can probably say I put myself in the same Category as Nate (a “recovering fitness junky” of whatever he said) because it no longer is the FOCUS of all my thoughts, its just something that I do now.
I dont take what Nate said as a slight against people that lift weights more than he does now, he is focusing on HIMSELF in the past and how small minded he was about life (again, as it pertains to himself, not that he or I think anyone who lives for the gym is small minded), and how now that he isn’t that way anymore he, personally, is living a more fulfilling life[/quote]
this guy gets it
as for bitching about supplement recommendations: we’re on a supplement company website! If you don’t want supplement recommendations in articles, read articles not put out by a supplement company.
This is Biotest’s house and we’re all guests here. If you don’t like it then leave, but if you want to stay then mind your god damn manners.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
If a bodybuilding website posts a hundred articles related to lifting and sports nutrition, how often will supplementation come up?
Twenty times? Thirty times? Forty? Pretty often.
And when supplementation comes up in an article on a bodybuilding website which is also in the supplement business, how natural (i.e., no “leaning” required) is it that the product mentioned will be the one manufactured by the company which runs the website, provided that the said company makes and sells something that falls within that particular category of supplement? Consider it from a slightly different angle: How unnatural and inexcusably stupid would it be for things to work differently, from the author’s perspective?
All this is not to mention the fact that Biotest makes good stuff, and it makes a big old pile of sense that people who write for T Nation would also be big on Flameout, for example. (This is coming from someone who doesn’t use supplements anymore.)
Which is a long way of saying that you are assuming as fact something which you do not know to be so. And, when you assume, you know what’s made out of you and me…[/quote]
You’re right. It’s completely beyond the realm of reason to assume that a supplement company that publishes training articles for free would encourage the authors of said article to promote their products. What was I smoking???
You read the part where I wrote explicitly that I don’t think there is anything wrong with this, right?
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
I’m going to skip over that that you’re literally calling TC a liar, which is a douchey move on several levels. I’ll just point out that in the 24 articles T-Nation has put up over the last four weeks, from 20 different authors, a grand total of five of those articles contained links to products in the store.
This means… hold onto your hat… 80% of the most recent articles did not contain any links to products. Feel free to apologize now. Or backtrack. Or disappear. Your call.
That’s your opinion about the situation and you’re certainly entitled to it. However, you’re also allowed to GTFO if that’s your attitude.[/quote]
Jesus, guy. I didn’t know you’d be this hurt over my comment. Especially the part where you told me to fuck off for disagreeing with TC. Now I feel like Adam Sandler after he got chastised by the principle in that movie, I’m blanking on the name.
Anyway, I’ll bow to your superior search skills (and vast amounts of free time, apparently) and concede your point. I guess the site doesn’t promote it’s products through its articles all that much. It just seemed to me that everytime I read an article here there are several mentions of Biotest products, especially those that help one recover from workouts. Clearly I was operating under the influence of confirmation bias, and I apologize.
I just want to point out, since apparently you grabbed your pitchfork before bothering to read my second paragraph, that I don’t think there is anything wrong with editors leaning on their authors to promote their products in their own website. I’ll repeat, I don’t think this is immoral or wrong in anyway. TC has the right to encourage his writers to promote Biotest products in their articles (which he absolutely has never done ever).
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Not sure why you’re giving more credence to the word of a former employee who now works for a kinda-sorta-competitor over the word of several people all saying the same thing. TC said it, I’ll go on record as saying it, Wendler has said it, Dan John has been very vocal for years about the supps he finds effective. The editors do not tell authors to gratuitously plug products.[/quote]
Not sure why I should instead give credence to the word of a current employee.
On a side note, I can’t believe I’m going to get banned over an argument about Nate Green. This is certainly a low point in my life.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
as for bitching about supplement recommendations: we’re on a supplement company website! If you don’t want supplement recommendations in articles, read articles not put out by a supplement company.
This is Biotest’s house and we’re all guests here. If you don’t like it then leave, but if you want to stay then mind your god damn manners.[/quote]
Never said there was anything wrong with promoting supplements in the articles. Read and understand comments completely before achieving full rage-erection.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
If a coach believes a supplement works, he shouldn’t mention it, because then people will assume he’s being forced to mention it. Gotcha.[/quote]
This is not even remotely close to what I said.
I guess, reading between the lines of your two posts, I shouldn’t say anything even tangentially critical of the site or its editors. Gotcha.
[quote]geordieboy wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
as for bitching about supplement recommendations: we’re on a supplement company website! If you don’t want supplement recommendations in articles, read articles not put out by a supplement company.
This is Biotest’s house and we’re all guests here. If you don’t like it then leave, but if you want to stay then mind your god damn manners.[/quote]
Never said there was anything wrong with promoting supplements in the articles. Read and understand comments completely before achieving full rage-erection.[/quote]
It was the “less than honest” part that caused the rage boners.
The way I see it, no matter what Biotest demands, wishes, coerces or insinuates, if you feel like you have to write nice stuff about their supplements or else, and you do it, you are whoring yourself out.
They could do whatever they wanted to, its still on you!
Someone who first praises them to high heaven and then shits on them when he feels like he no longer needs them is someone whose word I am not entirely sure I can trust, due to major douchebag alarm issues.
The hype pisses me off too, but their staples work as advertized and the more fancy stuff seems to be hit and miss.
Personally, I think if people try something new they will miss more often than not, but if nobody tries, nobody will hit on something, ever.
Also, Alpha Male gives me raging erections.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
[quote]geordieboy wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
as for bitching about supplement recommendations: we’re on a supplement company website! If you don’t want supplement recommendations in articles, read articles not put out by a supplement company.
This is Biotest’s house and we’re all guests here. If you don’t like it then leave, but if you want to stay then mind your god damn manners.[/quote]
Never said there was anything wrong with promoting supplements in the articles. Read and understand comments completely before achieving full rage-erection.[/quote]
It was the “less than honest” part that caused the rage boners.
[/quote]
it was a semi at best, and yes, that is it entirely
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
[quote]geordieboy wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
as for bitching about supplement recommendations: we’re on a supplement company website! If you don’t want supplement recommendations in articles, read articles not put out by a supplement company.
This is Biotest’s house and we’re all guests here. If you don’t like it then leave, but if you want to stay then mind your god damn manners.[/quote]
Never said there was anything wrong with promoting supplements in the articles. Read and understand comments completely before achieving full rage-erection.[/quote]
It was the “less than honest” part that caused the rage boners.
[/quote]
it was a semi at best, and yes, that is it entirely[/quote]
I didn’t even get a semi. I kind of agreed with him up to that last sentence, then I was like, huh? But no real anger. But I see how the contributors would get righteously pissed as it implicates them all.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]romeothemonk wrote:
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Anyone recall that funny thread a couple of years ago where some fat guy saw Nate’s book in the bargain bin at the mall, but the fat guy was too cheap to buy it? That thread was a shitstorm of laughs![/quote]
I have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]
I just clicked on that link and the board was way too hard on you.
I don’t understand why even the usually nice Iron Dwarf made that comment.
Also I don’t see that you looked fat. You have a naturally round face perhaps. So do I.[/quote]
Agreed. I was curious what all the fuss was about so I looked at that old thread.
romeothemonk made an amusing comment about some book in a dollar bin, one or two more established posters took (for some unknown reason) some shots at him, then a mob of cowards rushed in to join in on the gang bang.
I’ve seen similar things in mtb forums. All it takes is one poster who has more “seniority” in tenure and post count to start the fire and the sheep follow. [/quote]
It all seemed to be in fun at the time, and Romeo seemed to take it in stride (especially with his most recent response here). T-Nation regulars have a history of such goofing, like in the Sr.Joker thread as well as the DickNeck thread. All in fun, no harm done.