[quote]broken4head wrote:
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
What would be the lowest anyone would recommend protein go to in relative to body weight while leaning out. For that matter what would be the lowest recommended fat%. I ask because the last time I cut I lost too much hard earned muscle. By the last couple weeks my protein was 1g = bw and fat was 30% of total cal.[/quote]
Hey man,
Personally, I would recommend, not going any lower than the 1g/lb mark for protein intake and keep fats high. The lowest INTAKE you should require to get super lean is BW(lbs)x10, which is what I did at the end of last year, getting down to 8.5% bf. My ratio was about 45/55 - Fats/Pro. I took in about 120-130g fats and about 220g protein daily, training once a day.
Over the Christmas period I gained a bit of fat back,haha…so currently at 9.5%. I am planning on getting down UNDER 8%(hopefully) before beginning more of a lean mass phase. I am experimenting with a CYCLIC approach this time, cycling the following days - high pro/low fat, med pro/med fats, low pro/high fats. I am hoping to see SOME lean mass gains, along with fat loss using this approach. I found that I lost too much weight, even though i got lean…a little mass went too, whilst simply taking in less of both nutrients. When I took in more protein, it got converted to glycogen and was stored or used as glycogen, so I found a high protein intake whilst trying to get lean can also work against you in some cases.
You will simply have to experiment with diet and training with yourself until you find the ideal approach for YOURSELF. But yes, I think you intake is a bit low…unless you are keeping you muscle and strength whilst dropping a good amount of fats… Can’t argue with results in the end, regardless of the approach.
GJ[/quote]
Interesting, What ratios are your macros during the cycles and what days (Training wise) do they land on? Also,is this a method you would use when your on the lower side of calorie intake? I have been bulking since Nov. 1st and am going to start dropping Feb. 1st. I was thinking of first dropping my fat from 65% to 55%. Protein staying as is at 2g per lb bw. [/quote]
Ok,
High pro/low fats = 2g/lb pro/0.5g/lb fats
Med pro/med fats = 1.5g/lb pro/0.65g/lb fats
Low pro/high fats = 1g/lb pro/0.8g/lb fats
You may be able to set up LESS of a fluctuation in Protein. I created and big variation in amount of pro, due to this holding my fat loss back somewhat when too high.
I ensure 2 High/Low days, 2 Med/Med days and 2 Low/High days…One Cheat day, whereby pro is at roughly 1g/lb, fats at maybe 0.65g/lb and one cheat meal…I simply ensure that my training day falls on either a High/Low or Med/Med…with low protein or Cheat days when protein is low always been OFF days.
Your plan looks decent…trail and error regarding the macro ratio dude. I personally, unfortunately struggle dropping fat when protein is so high every day(2g/lb) but gain lean mass well with this intake. Others do better…very individual man.
GJ[/quote]
Do you figure your total multiplying by lean mass, total, or goal?[/quote]
I go by total mass…not lean or goal. However, to be honest, it won’t make a MASSIVE difference unless you have a shtload of fat…and or have unrealistic goal weight.
Stay strong,
GJ