[quote]samdan wrote:
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Count the actual sugars you are eating not the fiber.
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If you counted fiber and still stayed under 30g per day, you wouldn’t have an O-ring after a month.[/quote]
an O-ring? i’m lost
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]samdan wrote:
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Count the actual sugars you are eating not the fiber.
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If you counted fiber and still stayed under 30g per day, you wouldn’t have an O-ring after a month.[/quote]
an O-ring? i’m lost[/quote]
You wouldn’t have a tight enough seal.
The ring of the bumhole is called an “o-ring” in slang. A diet high in fat leads to stool that is high in fat. Fat, if you’d notice, makes things not stick together. This will include your stool if you don’t take in fiber. It is like pooping fire, after eatting mexican and indian food. AT ALL TIMES. This will end up greatly irritating your hind end, and could cause hygiene problems as well as problems squatting and pressing (problems if you like keeping your pants shit-free).
[quote]samdan wrote:
The ring of the bumhole is called an “o-ring” in slang. A diet high in fat leads to stool that is high in fat. Fat, if you’d notice, makes things not stick together. This will include your stool if you don’t take in fiber. It is like pooping fire, after eatting mexican and indian food. AT ALL TIMES. This will end up greatly irritating your hind end, and could cause hygiene problems as well as problems squatting and pressing (problems if you like keeping your pants shit-free).[/quote]
I have stopped using hot sauce because of this. It burns twice.
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]samdan wrote:
The ring of the bumhole is called an “o-ring” in slang. A diet high in fat leads to stool that is high in fat. Fat, if you’d notice, makes things not stick together. This will include your stool if you don’t take in fiber. It is like pooping fire, after eatting mexican and indian food. AT ALL TIMES. This will end up greatly irritating your hind end, and could cause hygiene problems as well as problems squatting and pressing (problems if you like keeping your pants shit-free).[/quote]
I have stopped using hot sauce because of this. It burns twice. [/quote]
i laughed hard at that haha. today i got 59g of carbs, but 41 of those were fiber so only 18g of carbs. i should be good right?
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]samdan wrote:
The ring of the bumhole is called an “o-ring” in slang. A diet high in fat leads to stool that is high in fat. Fat, if you’d notice, makes things not stick together. This will include your stool if you don’t take in fiber. It is like pooping fire, after eatting mexican and indian food. AT ALL TIMES. This will end up greatly irritating your hind end, and could cause hygiene problems as well as problems squatting and pressing (problems if you like keeping your pants shit-free).[/quote]
I have stopped using hot sauce because of this. It burns twice. [/quote]
i laughed hard at that haha. today i got 59g of carbs, but 41 of those were fiber so only 18g of carbs. i should be good right?[/quote]
Yup. Do you have a copy of the book–either The Anabolic Diet or The Anabolic Solution For BBs/PLs?
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]samdan wrote:
The ring of the bumhole is called an “o-ring” in slang. A diet high in fat leads to stool that is high in fat. Fat, if you’d notice, makes things not stick together. This will include your stool if you don’t take in fiber. It is like pooping fire, after eatting mexican and indian food. AT ALL TIMES. This will end up greatly irritating your hind end, and could cause hygiene problems as well as problems squatting and pressing (problems if you like keeping your pants shit-free).[/quote]
I have stopped using hot sauce because of this. It burns twice. [/quote]
i laughed hard at that haha. today i got 59g of carbs, but 41 of those were fiber so only 18g of carbs. i should be good right?[/quote]
Yup. Do you have a copy of the book–either The Anabolic Diet or The Anabolic Solution For BBs/PLs?[/quote]
Yeah i just got it actually. It says that a good snack if you have a crave is sugar free jello with sugar free cool whip. I heard somewhere that something that taste sweet like artificial sweeteners can trick your body and kick you out of ketosis. I don’t plan on eat SF jello or cool whip any time soon but i would like to know just in case.
Keep reading ashylarryku because the book should mention several times that the goal is NOT to get into ketosis at any time. But do be careful of your artificial sweetener choices. The artificial sweetener in Splenda is considered carb free but they also add dextrose and/or maltodrextrin (Metamucil does this as well) which are not carb free.
There can be 0.5g carb in one packet and FDA allows manufacturer to report no carbs. Eat 10 packets a day and there is 5g of carb that you could have substituted some vegetables.
[quote]jsdool wrote:
Keep reading ashylarryku because the book should mention several times that the goal is NOT to get into ketosis at any time. But do be careful of your artificial sweetener choices. The artificial sweetener in Splenda is considered carb free but they also add dextrose and/or maltodrextrin (Metamucil does this as well) which are not carb free.
There can be 0.5g carb in one packet and FDA allows manufacturer to report no carbs. Eat 10 packets a day and there is 5g of carb that you could have substituted some vegetables.[/quote]
Thanks a lot for the reply. Now you mention it, I don’t remember seeing anything about ketosis in the book but I have seen it in other forums somewhere. I think I’m going to skim over it again just to make sure I have everything right.
So yesterday I had <30g and today will be <30g so I plan on going until next Friday or Saturday before my carb-up. Also, the two days before I only had around 50g so i have almost been going complete AD for the past four days. Should I be fine carbing up next Friday? That will put me at 13 days of <30g and then an extra two days of 50g. I’m pretty sure that what I’m doing is fine but I would just like to make sure.
On a side note, I pretty much depleted all of my glycogen today during my leg workout haha. I was drenched in sweat and about threw up three times
[quote]jsdool wrote:
Keep reading ashylarryku because the book should mention several times that the goal is NOT to get into ketosis at any time.[/quote]
Uh…what? Ketosis - Wikipedia
It is the entire point of the diet.
I do not count carbs from dietary fiber. I justify this by the fact that these type of carbs are not used as energy or so they say…
Wow 24 pages now, whew!
I’ve been messing with fattier and leaner meats and trying to cycle throughout the week using them. I haven’t got the right mix down yet though. I did well ramping with fattier meats at the beginning of the week. I picked it up from the Body Opus it was suggested it would get you into Ketosis faster and that you’d start burning fat stores faster. I did well a couple weeks, then ran low on energy a few times by weeks end, then I swapped it to fattier towards the end and same thing. I’ve also cycled fatty days followed by leaner days. Same results, just a 2-4 pound weekly drop and increasing size for shoulders, back, legs. I also rotated cheese in every now and then just to mix things up. No real significant signs, but before when I’d use cheese all the time my weight loss slowed. It’s a mixed bag and I just rotate through things to keep my body guessing. Seems to work fine, I also take time off every now and then, mentally I think my body starts to get pissed and revolts against me. So I jump off for a few days or a week and it thinks the fat guy is coming back, then I jump back on and get a quick surge (drop in weight) I know most is water, but it still helps mentally.
Just wanted to check back in, also Pauli should get an award or donation jar at the counter for his effort, guidance and feedback.
As I do new things or if I stumble on some things that really work I’ll post up.
I didn’t read through everything, but did Pump??? who started the thread ever get on track?
Later
ok vets, is this normal?
Monday was my first day on the AD, but normaly i have to poop at least once a day…
Now after 36 hrs of DC i didnt have to go at all…
My diet so far:
8:00 5 whole eggs with 5 sl. of bacon and 10 mushrooms
10:00 protein shake with w-cream, flaxseed oil and fiber suppl.
12:00 broccoli with stake and parmezan
15:00 some cheese and nuts
18:00 spinache with pork, feta cheese an olive oil
21:00 protein shake with flaxseed, fiber and cream.
including 3,5 ltrs of water trough the day
today almost the same, except broccoli is letuch/spiance salad now
about 30gr of fiber by my counts.
The only thing i can think of is that 3000 cal. is not enough. But it it the same as befor the AD
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]jsdool wrote:
Keep reading ashylarryku because the book should mention several times that the goal is NOT to get into ketosis at any time.[/quote]
Uh…what? Ketosis - Wikipedia
It is the entire point of the diet.[/quote]
Huh? You point to a link about ketosis and say that it is the entire point of the diet yet the link does not mention Dr. DiPasquale at all.
I am not well versed enough in the chemical reactions to explain this but from what I understand you can burn fatty acids without producing ketones and the benefit is more energy for physical activity and possibly a lower chance of losing lean body mass. I also understand that a weekend carb up would stop ketosis which is why the Atkins diet doesn’t suggest doing this. What Dr. DiPasquale found was that the weekend carb up is short enough to not stop the burning of fatty acids.
Part I of “My Expericience On the Anabolic Diet” ( Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness ) has many posts that repeatedly explains why this is not a ketogenic diet. The gurus posting in that thread know Dr. DiPasquale and definitely know the chemistry much better than I. The thread is very long but if I find the discussion of the burning of fatty acids instead of glucose in the absence of ketone bodies, I’ll post it.
[quote]jsdool wrote:
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]jsdool wrote:
Keep reading ashylarryku because the book should mention several times that the goal is NOT to get into ketosis at any time.[/quote]
Uh…what? Ketosis - Wikipedia
It is the entire point of the diet.[/quote]
Huh? You point to a link about ketosis and say that it is the entire point of the diet yet the link does not mention Dr. DiPasquale at all.
I am not well versed enough in the chemical reactions to explain this but from what I understand you can burn fatty acids without producing ketones and the benefit is more energy for physical activity and possibly a lower chance of losing lean body mass. I also understand that a weekend carb up would stop ketosis which is why the Atkins diet doesn’t suggest doing this. What Dr. DiPasquale found was that the weekend carb up is short enough to not stop the burning of fatty acids.
Part I of “My Expericience On the Anabolic Diet” ( Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness ) has many posts that repeatedly explains why this is not a ketogenic diet. The gurus posting in that thread know Dr. DiPasquale and definitely know the chemistry much better than I. The thread is very long but if I find the discussion of the burning of fatty acids instead of glucose in the absence of ketone bodies, I’ll post it.
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Allow me 
To quote DH of the above link…
Duchaine embellished much. Dr. D was using his diet in the 70’s for his PL training. He didn’t publish it in a popular way. Duchaine rewrote the Rebound diet as BodyOpus. Rebound was Zumpano’s idea. Duchaine was a bit of a thief and an opportunistic tag along. Gironda and Rheo Blair began the idea of a fat/protein diet with targeted hits of carbs for anabolic effect. DiPas reworked it into the AD, which had significant differences. BO didn’t work nearly as well and is a bear to follow because he gets nuts with his timing and sources. Dr. D has commented on Dan’s lack of formal education showing through in the Opus.
For example Duchiane focuses on ketones and ketostix. Dr. D says after a few weeks you are converted and “weaned” off of ketones and are burning fatty acids. The diet is not ketogenic at all, but Dan didn’t understand that. Most don’t. Most of the half-informed people on the site or in your everyday life will assume you are on a ketogenic diet such as Atkins. Then you’ll hear that ketosis is very bad long term (Lyle MacDonald) and they’ll never pay attention to the words out of Dr. D’s mouth. IT IS NOT A KETO DIET. DiPas calls it simply a cyclical diet. Ketosis is not a good thing and should be a transitory state before you take off the training wheels and really get going. In short, avoid BO. Or try it out and see it’s shortfalls firsthand.
Best,
DH
PS. My favorite other “argument” against the AD. “Your brain needs carbs!” Wrong. I’ll save that for another day on the thread. It’s time for protein powder, almonds, and some slim jims.
Further on down that page DH posts an interview done with Dr Di where he goes to town on the whole Ketosis issue… or non-issue as it were!!!
Thanks Emz. I went back to my anabolic diet eBook and found several references by Dr. D regarding the use of ketones and was almost going to delete my post thinking I must have really misunderstood something. It’s not that AD doesn’t burn ketones at all. Just that it is not the objective.
I find it funny that AD is often called a cyclical ketogenic diet (CKD) since it doesn’t fit the Atkin’s model and that is wrong as well.
Well fuck. Why do I smell like acetone then when I sweat after training? I am doing it wrong? (200+ g of fat a day, 200g of protein <2900 cals).
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Well fuck. Why do I smell like acetone then when I sweat after training? I am doing it wrong? (200+ g of fat a day, 200g of protein <2900 cals).[/quote]
How long on the AD? How much non-fiber CHO per day?
Someone asked a similar question in one of the older AD threads. I remember the question but not so good at remembering the answer especially when it doesn’t apply to me. I think the answer was, assuming full adaptaion, was to up carbs to 40 or 50g. There is nothing magical about 30g max of carbs. It is just what seemed to work for most to be above levels that induce ketosis. AD should be customized to fit how your body responds.
Reading the older threads is a chore because there are literally thousands of posts but there is some good information that is not necessarily found in the AD books but the information comes indirectly from Dr. D. You can get a lot from the early pages of the first AD thread similar to the gem EMZ posted that was on page 8.
Today is day 4 of the AD for me, plan on going 13 or 14 days before my first carb-up. I have a slight headache right now and I never get them and i was feeling like complete shit this morning so I’m guessing i’m making the metabolic shift. I guess I’m answering my own question just then but i wanted to ask another question regarding fiber.
It says to stay under 30g of carbs a day. I get a LOT of fiber and just want to make sure I’m not messing this up (i eat a lot of flax seeds). So my carb count the past couple of days has looked something like:
Monday: Carbs = 57 grams (38 grams of fiber) = 19 grams of carbs
Tuesday: Carbs = 60 grams (37 grams of fiber) = 23 grams of carbs
This is fine right? I’m assuming it is since i’m feeling like crap haha.
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Today is day 4 of the AD for me, plan on going 13 or 14 days before my first carb-up. I have a slight headache right now and I never get them and i was feeling like complete shit this morning so I’m guessing i’m making the metabolic shift. I guess I’m answering my own question just then but i wanted to ask another question regarding fiber.
It says to stay under 30g of carbs a day. I get a LOT of fiber and just want to make sure I’m not messing this up (i eat a lot of flax seeds). So my carb count the past couple of days has looked something like:
Monday: Carbs = 57 grams (38 grams of fiber) = 19 grams of carbs
Tuesday: Carbs = 60 grams (37 grams of fiber) = 23 grams of carbs
This is fine right? I’m assuming it is since i’m feeling like crap haha.[/quote]
Also, I’ve seen anything talking about working out during a carb-up. I heard you’re supposed to have your carb-ups on rest days. Is this true?