My Experience On the Anabolic Diet Part III

Nutrition
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My question is not much different from vette6’s question. I have been bulking for about 2 months now with the AD and 5-3-1. I was going to switch my diet and workout at the end of Jan.by cutting fat down to 50% and doing some DC training. I figured that would be a good way to solidify and possibly grow more muscle at the end of my mass phase. I also figured it would be a good way to transition to more of a fat cutting weight program because the way DC is set up (When I stop making gains, I’ll know it’s time to move on)

           How does this sound?
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[quote]broken4head wrote:
My question is not much different from vette6’s question. I have been bulking for about 2 months now with the AD and 5-3-1. I was going to switch my diet and workout at the end of Jan.by cutting fat down to 50% and doing some DC training. I figured that would be a good way to solidify and possibly grow more muscle at the end of my mass phase. I also figured it would be a good way to transition to more of a fat cutting weight program because the way DC is set up (When I stop making gains, I’ll know it’s time to move on)

           How does this sound?[/quote]

I personally wouldn’t recommend starting DC with a cutting phase. If you want to give DC a try I would wait until you are in a mass gaining phase and continue with 5/3/1. I have done both and I find DC quite a bit more taxing and I stall very quickly if I am not eating to gain. This is just my experience, though, you are welcome to do as you please.

protein pro- I have done two blasts with DC and the AD. I enjoy the AD as I function well on low carbs but yet always can eat some fun foods on the weekends. I like to train Monday/Wednesday/Saturday and I do a 36 hour carb up from saturday morning to around 6 on Sunday. If my carbup day is really dirty with lots of junk food I may just have a one day (saturday carbup).
I train fairly early on Saturday since too many carbs will make you not want to train. But some oats for breakfast just gives me good energy to train late in the morning. I feel this setup works well because you don’t have to train late in the week when you may be getting low on glycogen.

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[quote]broken4head wrote:
My question is not much different from vette6’s question. I have been bulking for about 2 months now with the AD and 5-3-1. I was going to switch my diet and workout at the end of Jan.by cutting fat down to 50% and doing some DC training. I figured that would be a good way to solidify and possibly grow more muscle at the end of my mass phase. I also figured it would be a good way to transition to more of a fat cutting weight program because the way DC is set up (When I stop making gains, I’ll know it’s time to move on)

           How does this sound?[/quote]

I start AD with DC because I think it will be the best way to maintain your musclemass.
DC is not a very depleting style of training, so I guess i will not be so f****** up as i am after a few weeks of low carb, high volume, superset, mega training.

And with a bit of cardio and the switch to burning fat during my daily activities, i HOPE it wil be a great way to get lean and mainain my strength and musclemass…

Of course I will keep some records and will post them here every few weeks…

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[quote]protein-pro wrote:

[quote]broken4head wrote:
My question is not much different from vette6’s question. I have been bulking for about 2 months now with the AD and 5-3-1. I was going to switch my diet and workout at the end of Jan.by cutting fat down to 50% and doing some DC training. I figured that would be a good way to solidify and possibly grow more muscle at the end of my mass phase. I also figured it would be a good way to transition to more of a fat cutting weight program because the way DC is set up (When I stop making gains, I’ll know it’s time to move on)

           How does this sound?[/quote]

I start AD with DC because I think it will be the best way to maintain your musclemass.
DC is not a very depleting style of training, so I guess i will not be so f****** up as i am after a few weeks of low carb, high volume, superset, mega training.

And with a bit of cardio and the switch to burning fat during my daily activities, i HOPE it wil be a great way to get lean and mainain my strength and musclemass…

Of course I will keep some records and will post them here every few weeks…[/quote]

I agree. Low volume. Heavy weight to give your body a reason to keep muscle mass as apposed to using it for energy.

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The good thing about the body is that you do not need carbohydrates to repair muscle tissue, only protein and fat. Carbohydrates are essentially an energy source that we could do with or without. You can definitely grow on the AD and in my opinion, adapting the body to more readily use fat as energy puts you in the best possible state to grow.

Insulin spiking is over-rated and not good for the body so follow the AD to the T and adjust as your pacing of spikes to find your optimal timing.

Cheers
Sasha

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I record nutrition and workout info at DailyBurn.com. I used to have to subtract fiber grams from carbs but they just added the ability to track sugar carbs and apply a goal so I now have fiber goal at 20-35g, sugar goal at 0-30g and total carb at 20-80g for non-carb load day. Now if they would only allow two sets of macro goals instead of me having to change the goals back and forth.

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Question for DH, and anyone else who wants to chime in, and I just want to say, thank you to DH and others for all your contributions to this diet.

I’m a long time reader, first time poster on the AD forums. I actually read through the entire long thread of My Experience on the Anabolic Diet (part 1) so I figure it’s time for me to post.

I’ve done the AD twice before, but as a law student, I always get paranoid around final exam periods and start eating on a carb diet again under the belief (probably mistaken), that my body required CHOs for intense studying around finals time, although I suspect that my paranoia is B.S.

Anyways I’m back on the AD for about 4 weeks now. I did the 12 day phase, with a carb load, and now I’m almost done with anothe 12 day low carb phase that will follow another carbload, and with fat loss being my primary goal, from here I will be going to a 6/1 schedule. I have found very easy to become fat adapted this time around. I never feel like crap breaking back into it, probably because my body “remembers” how to function on low carbs.

Anyways, I don’t know if this has been addressed or not, but has anyone started using the Anaconda Protocol (without the fini-bars obviously) on this diet and if so what has the reception been?

I just ordered it, but nixed the fini-bars and decided to go with Alpha Male instead. Anyone here doing anything similar?

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Paulie D! I just read a post from you back in November that said peanut butter is bad! and estrogenic!

I go through 2 jars of natural peanut butter a week on this diet!

2 questions: Why is Peanut Butter estrogenic? I know it has some polyunsaturated fats, but I didn’t think it was high enough to be considered estrogenic, and plus I thought monosaturated fats rose testosterone levels and it’s packed with those?

Question 2: Is Almond Butter OK? I could probably handle switching to Almond better. It’s more expensive, but if it’s noticably better then I will do this.

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[quote]snewbold wrote:
Paulie D! I just read a post from you back in November that said peanut butter is bad! and estrogenic!

I go through 2 jars of natural peanut butter a week on this diet!

2 questions: Why is Peanut Butter estrogenic? I know it has some polyunsaturated fats, but I didn’t think it was high enough to be considered estrogenic, and plus I thought monosaturated fats rose testosterone levels and it’s packed with those?

Question 2: Is Almond Butter OK? I could probably handle switching to Almond better. It’s more expensive, but if it’s noticably better then I will do this. [/quote]

DH had recommended calcium d-glucarate (C-D-G) for someone that decides to still drink beer which is also estrogenic. Maybe you can pop these and still eat peanut butter. I did some reading and there seems to be evidence to support C-D-G’s “estrogen stripping” capability.

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[quote]snewbold wrote:
Question for DH, and anyone else who wants to chime in, and I just want to say, thank you to DH and others for all your contributions to this diet.

I’m a long time reader, first time poster on the AD forums. I actually read through the entire long thread of My Experience on the Anabolic Diet (part 1) so I figure it’s time for me to post.

I’ve done the AD twice before, but as a law student, I always get paranoid around final exam periods and start eating on a carb diet again under the belief (probably mistaken), that my body required CHOs for intense studying around finals time, although I suspect that my paranoia is B.S.

Anyways I’m back on the AD for about 4 weeks now. I did the 12 day phase, with a carb load, and now I’m almost done with anothe 12 day low carb phase that will follow another carbload, and with fat loss being my primary goal, from here I will be going to a 6/1 schedule. I have found very easy to become fat adapted this time around. I never feel like crap breaking back into it, probably because my body “remembers” how to function on low carbs.

Anyways, I don’t know if this has been addressed or not, but has anyone started using the Anaconda Protocol (without the fini-bars obviously) on this diet and if so what has the reception been?

I just ordered it, but nixed the fini-bars and decided to go with Alpha Male instead. Anyone here doing anything similar? [/quote]

I don’t do the anaconda stuff specifically, but I take a lot of similar supps (pro pepto, leucine, citrulline malate, creatine) around my workout. I probably don’t get as much total protein as the entire anaconda protocol requires, but from my experience the ingredients are good stuff. Nothing extraordinary, but I will probably continue taking it. I have been making better than average gains the past 6 weeks, but I have also hopped on the AD and increased my calories.

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FIRST ANABOLIC/CKD DIET, PLEASE GUIDE ME

So today i took in a total of 117g of carbs. 56 were from Gatorade during my workout and 25 for from fiber (i usually get 35g of fiber so i know i need to work on that) so my question is:

Do i count the carbs during workout and fiber? So if i don’t count the gatorade or fiber, that comes out to 36 grams. Should i adjust this or keep it as is. I was planning on doing this and having refeeds once every six days or so. Obviously my off days are going to be much lower since I won’t be drinking the gatorade but i would like to know what the veterans have to say.

My goal is to slowly bulk with minimal fat just so everyone knows. I’m not trying to cut.

Thanks,
Adam

EDIT: i had no direct carbs other than Gatorade. Everything else was trace from flax seeds, PB, almonds, and green veggies.

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
FIRST ANABOLIC/CKD DIET, PLEASE GUIDE ME

So today i took in a total of 117g of carbs. 56 were from Gatorade during my workout and 25 for from fiber (i usually get 35g of fiber so i know i need to work on that) so my question is:

Do i count the carbs during workout and fiber? So if i don’t count the gatorade or fiber, that comes out to 36 grams. Should i adjust this or keep it as is. I was planning on doing this and having refeeds once every six days or so. Obviously my off days are going to be much lower since I won’t be drinking the gatorade but i would like to know what the veterans have to say.

My goal is to slowly bulk with minimal fat just so everyone knows. I’m not trying to cut.

Thanks,
Adam

EDIT: i had no direct carbs other than Gatorade. Everything else was trace from flax seeds, PB, almonds, and green veggies.[/quote]Did you read the book? Because you are not doing the AD currently…

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[quote]elih8er wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
FIRST ANABOLIC/CKD DIET, PLEASE GUIDE ME

So today i took in a total of 117g of carbs. 56 were from Gatorade during my workout and 25 for from fiber (i usually get 35g of fiber so i know i need to work on that) so my question is:

Do i count the carbs during workout and fiber? So if i don’t count the gatorade or fiber, that comes out to 36 grams. Should i adjust this or keep it as is. I was planning on doing this and having refeeds once every six days or so. Obviously my off days are going to be much lower since I won’t be drinking the gatorade but i would like to know what the veterans have to say.

My goal is to slowly bulk with minimal fat just so everyone knows. I’m not trying to cut.

Thanks,
Adam

EDIT: i had no direct carbs other than Gatorade. Everything else was trace from flax seeds, PB, almonds, and green veggies.[/quote]Did you read the book? Because you are not doing the AD currently…
[/quote]

Yeah, i’m an idiot lol. I’ve been reading through a lot of these forums trying to get the hang of it.

So i’m supposed to go 12 days with <30g and then i can carb up on the weekends for 24-48 hours or something. My only question is, do i count those trace carbs found in nuts and flax seeds? So I have a bag of almonds and some flax seeds, do i count the NET CARBS or any carbs at all? Would it be correct to say

Almonds: 5g Carbs - 3g Fiber = 2 actual carbs
Flax Seeds: 9g Carbs - 8g Fiber = 1 actual carb

Is this right? Or should I count any of the carbs at all? I eat a lot of nuts and ground flax seeds so it could make or break me which is why I ask.

Thanks,
Adam

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]elih8er wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
FIRST ANABOLIC/CKD DIET, PLEASE GUIDE ME

So today i took in a total of 117g of carbs. 56 were from Gatorade during my workout and 25 for from fiber (i usually get 35g of fiber so i know i need to work on that) so my question is:

Do i count the carbs during workout and fiber? So if i don’t count the gatorade or fiber, that comes out to 36 grams. Should i adjust this or keep it as is. I was planning on doing this and having refeeds once every six days or so. Obviously my off days are going to be much lower since I won’t be drinking the gatorade but i would like to know what the veterans have to say.

My goal is to slowly bulk with minimal fat just so everyone knows. I’m not trying to cut.

Thanks,
Adam

EDIT: i had no direct carbs other than Gatorade. Everything else was trace from flax seeds, PB, almonds, and green veggies.[/quote]Did you read the book? Because you are not doing the AD currently…
[/quote]

Yeah, i’m an idiot lol. I’ve been reading through a lot of these forums trying to get the hang of it.

So i’m supposed to go 12 days with <30g and then i can carb up on the weekends for 24-48 hours or something. My only question is, do i count those trace carbs found in nuts and flax seeds? So I have a bag of almonds and some flax seeds, do i count the NET CARBS or any carbs at all? Would it be correct to say

Almonds: 5g Carbs - 3g Fiber = 2 actual carbs
Flax Seeds: 9g Carbs - 8g Fiber = 1 actual carb

Is this right? Or should I count any of the carbs at all? I eat a lot of nuts and ground flax seeds so it could make or break me which is why I ask.

Thanks,
Adam[/quote]Gatorade is not part of the diet as it will set you over the 30g limit. Count the actual sugars you are eating not the fiber.

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[quote]elih8er wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]elih8er wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
FIRST ANABOLIC/CKD DIET, PLEASE GUIDE ME

So today i took in a total of 117g of carbs. 56 were from Gatorade during my workout and 25 for from fiber (i usually get 35g of fiber so i know i need to work on that) so my question is:

Do i count the carbs during workout and fiber? So if i don’t count the gatorade or fiber, that comes out to 36 grams. Should i adjust this or keep it as is. I was planning on doing this and having refeeds once every six days or so. Obviously my off days are going to be much lower since I won’t be drinking the gatorade but i would like to know what the veterans have to say.

My goal is to slowly bulk with minimal fat just so everyone knows. I’m not trying to cut.

Thanks,
Adam

EDIT: i had no direct carbs other than Gatorade. Everything else was trace from flax seeds, PB, almonds, and green veggies.[/quote]Did you read the book? Because you are not doing the AD currently…
[/quote]

Yeah, i’m an idiot lol. I’ve been reading through a lot of these forums trying to get the hang of it.

So i’m supposed to go 12 days with <30g and then i can carb up on the weekends for 24-48 hours or something. My only question is, do i count those trace carbs found in nuts and flax seeds? So I have a bag of almonds and some flax seeds, do i count the NET CARBS or any carbs at all? Would it be correct to say

Almonds: 5g Carbs - 3g Fiber = 2 actual carbs
Flax Seeds: 9g Carbs - 8g Fiber = 1 actual carb

Is this right? Or should I count any of the carbs at all? I eat a lot of nuts and ground flax seeds so it could make or break me which is why I ask.

Thanks,
Adam[/quote]Gatorade is not part of the diet as it will set you over the 30g limit. Count the actual sugars you are eating not the fiber.
[/quote]

No I’m not doing the Gatorade anymore. My only concern is if I count the carbs in the almonds and flax seeds. Do you count the Net Carbs or Total Carbs? Like:

Almonds: 5g Carbs - 3g Fiber = 2 Net Carbs
Flax Seeds: 9g Carbs - 8g Fiber = 1 Net Carb

I would think that you would only count Net Carbs but if I’m wrong it could mess up my entire diet. So my daily macros for today are planned to be:

39g Carbs, 21 of which are fiber.

Does this keep me at actually 18g of carbs because it would be (39 - 21 fiber) = 18 net carbs?

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

39g Carbs, 21 of which are fiber.

Does this keep me at actually 18g of carbs because it would be (39 - 21 fiber) = 18 net carbs?[/quote]Yes.

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Awesome! haha, thank you

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yessss 1 night of sleep to go, and the day has finaly come!!!
Bacon and eggs in the house… ready to rumble!

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[quote]elih8er wrote:
Count the actual sugars you are eating not the fiber.
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If you counted fiber and still stayed under 30g per day, you wouldn’t have an O-ring after a month.

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auwwww