that said, on to the point…those thinking phil needs to be off for Kai to beat him are nuts. A peeled down 09 Arnold Kai or a Kai of better condition Colorado Pro caliber w/ the size he has now beats an on Phil 9/10 times…dorian, flex, shawn, palumbo, ronnie all these guys have said exactly that! i believe that as well.
the truth, w/ all that size and muscle hungry gylcogen i don’t think Kai knows the formula for achieving the condition(s) we saw him bring in years past. time will tell, until he does, phil beats him each time.
additionally, phil is getting bigger and better, is back double bicep is now crazy, 2nd only to a dialed kai which at this point is a unicorn.
jay is a classy mother fucker, evenme the kai lover enjoyed the bromance last night and am happy for phil!
Dennis wolf is mr. O from the neck through the mid-torso, he placed where he should have no calfs, no hamstrings, no spinal erectors and he still got 5th. Vic’s pecs were silly, happy he’s back, could have arguably placed 2nd or 3rd.
Based on this, im surprised Kai wasnt with Jay and Phil battling for 2nd instead of making it look like he was battling for 3-5
Also, close one for Martinez/Wolf, Wolf had him beaten at prejudging but Martinez tightened up a lot for finals[/quote]
The reason they did it that way was clearly for storyline and politics
based on the scoring it should have been a three way call out between kai, phil, jay
phil was still way better this Olympia but kai standing next to jay and phil exposes some of phil’s weaknesses (not many) and some of jay’s conditioning from the back issues.
the story of teacher student is a good promotion, kai’s conditioning wasn’t near 100% but it wasn’t horrible, he didn’t get a lot of looks near phil or jay nor a lot of camera time in the posedown, if you think that is all incidental, well…i think $ plays a role.
i will say, i use to love kai’s posing…he poses to some shitty music, hope his sack drops next year, a bit of Wu Tang would serve him well, maybe some ODB.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
JAy will need a repeat of 09 to get it back.
Phil’s muscle looks rounder and fuller right now. And Jay’s back had no detail, like a flat canvas, at least on Friday.[/quote]
I don’t think '09 is gonna do it. He was bigger in 06 and that’s the only way he’s ever going to beat Phil: he needs to just dominate him with size, which is something he’s capable of doing with his bone structure. Jay showed in '06 that he could come in enormous while still having a streamlined abdominal region (in spite of his thick hips) and reasonable condition. Is it going to happen? I don’t think so because I think Jay’s wrongly convinced that bigger isn’t better. It’s like Branch Warren said though a couple of years ago: the biggest, hardest guy wins. He needs to think of Phil as basically Ronnie in a smaller bone structure: which is virtually what he’s become (I mean, picture Phil’s rear lat spread with Ronnie’s bones: it’s virtually Ronnie '03).
Re: his back detail, it did improve a lot on Saturday.
For Phil: basically perfect for his bone structure. For every body part in the upper body he’s among the best in the sport right now: unreal arms, basketball delts, back thick and wide and detailed; chest thick as hell top to bottom; the dude is just awesome. I think the only thing that could be improved on his frame is maybe his quads which might help get those cross striations which are so noticabley missing when he stands next to Jay.
Re: Kai, I don’t think he has the bone structure or shape to compete with either Jay or Phil at their best. I could be proven wrong on that point though. Dude is big and could take it if he nails his condition.
Victor could also still do it if he keeps gaining muscle on those legs and finally nails his conditioning. He STILL looks soft next to everyone in the top 6 and that’s going to cost him.
I also agree about Evan. Could carry a lot of muscle. Needs thicker chest in particular: though I don’t know if he can be as good as Phil at turning weak points into strong points.
Jay looked completely awesome in the finals. My jaw dropped when he hit the ab thigh pose and striations were everywhere. If that was supposed to be 50% of the judging he probably could/ should have pulled it out. Anyone see Kai Greene next to the lady at the end? That showed just how big he is. In an interview he said he weighed 279 on stage.
I was talking about arguing over it. I mean the Olympia is over, trophies handed out, and it’s silly to argue numbers that really have NO relevance to a visual spectacle. No judge is checking claims of bodyweight.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Anybody else figured the top 6 would look exactly like this? After watching the prejudging, this was my guess, and it looks like it was the judges too. Still would have liked to see Jay hold Phil off for one more year before letting him take it, but Phil clearly deserved it. Jay showed marked improvement during the finals over the prejudging though.
Only things that sort of surprised me was that rockell only placed 9th and Brandon Curry placed as high as he did for his first O appearance, though in hindsight i probably shouldnt be surprised by that. He looked phenomenal. Could be top 6 in the next couple years.
As it stands now the only person i can see giving Phil a run for his money any time soon is Kai if he can absolutely nail his conditioning down. Even still, Phil would probably need to be “off” for Kai to take it.
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Ya it’s crazy the difference a day makes. After friday I thought Heath had it in the bag then when Jay came out staurday I was oh shit I don’t know…
I agree Phil would have to be off before Kai or someone else takes it from him. Has Phil ever been off though? I don’t think so. Kai is older than Phil aswell so less room for improvement.
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I think Phil is gonna hold it down until Evan Centopani is ready to take the reigns in a year or two.[/quote]
I agree, i wouldnt be surprised if Centopani takes the Sandow in 2 years, i think Phil has a good chance of keeping it next year though, even against Jay. Though i have no doubt that in a years time Jay could make the improvements needed and come in looking fuller during prejudging and be able to take it back again. [/quote]
Centopani has absolutely no shot at taking the sandow from anyone unless he can bring that chest up a lot, which over the last couple of years he hasn’t made all that much improvement on, IMO.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
phil heath was not 290lb thats ridiculous
most magazines ( august and sept issues) list him at 255 contest
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Agreed. 290 is Ronnie Coleman status.
Still looked ridiculous and was Mr. O by a good margin, though. [/quote]
Ya x3 no way Heath was 290 he was 227 in 09 an in the 235-245ish in '10 no way he gaines 50lb of stage muscle in a year haha. Dude is 5’9 come on.
Where do you guys think Branch would have placed? Based on the last two years we know he would have come in condition and he was coming off the arnold win. I think he would have been battling it out with kai and vic for 3rd and probably beating them out.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
phil heath was not 290lb thats ridiculous
most magazines ( august and sept issues) list him at 255 contest
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Agreed. 290 is Ronnie Coleman status.
Still looked ridiculous and was Mr. O by a good margin, though. [/quote]
Ya x3 no way Heath was 290 he was 227 in 09 an in the 235-245ish in '10 no way he gaines 50lb of stage muscle in a year haha. Dude is 5’9 come on.
Where do you guys think Branch would have placed? Based on the last two years we know he would have come in condition and he was coming off the arnold win. I think he would have been battling it out with kai and vic for 3rd and probably beating them out.
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I don’t think Branch would have placed higher than Kai. Kai’s proportions are perfect.
