Everyone in here seems to be a high protein/fat type. Is there a correlation between muscle mass and this type of diet? I understand the protein is needed to build the muscle, but perhaps after a certain amount is built the body reacts better to protein and fat diets?
Does blood type fit into this at all? What do you think of the Eat Right for your Blood Type book? I’m type O which corresponds with protein and fat diets. For the most part, I fit into the same category under the metabolic profile.
Kelly, I appreciate all the good information
you have posted to the forum. But I am
skeptical about your post. Not about the idea
of metabolic typing in general, but about how
much you are simplifying it. You make it sound
like an either/or - you have all the traits of
one category or another. And it implies there
are only two ‘types’. In reality I think there
are a multitude of ‘types.’ For example, I
have half of the traits from the first group
and half of the traits from the second group.
So what does that mean? I think metabolic
typing is useful, but better to base it on the
basis of every individual having many
different unique variables - the totality of
which comprises their own unique type.
Simplifying things in to just a couple of
‘types’ I think could end up just being more
counterproductive than useful. IMHO, each
individual needs to figure out their unique
status based upon a multitude of variables -
and adjust accordingly. Trying to place
oneself in just one category type or another
just isn’t adequate.
Hey Free youre right it is a very complicated topic and by simplifying it I was just trying to make it easier for people to understand. In order to be 100% accurate one would have to go through a myriad of tests and labs to identify with certainty their tendencies in all the indicators (autonomic type, oxidative type, endocrine type etc.) The tendencies I listed for each group are a short list of many and are fairly accurate by themselves. There are clinics and Drs. that specialize in this type of thing and patients will have blood drawn and screened for all indicators as well as taking long questionaires to get a more accurate picture. You’re also right in that most people (especially people like bodybuilders) will probably fall somewhere in the middle which is a good thing. What it means is your dietary selections can be more varied and your nutritional physiology gives you a wide range to work with. As for the question on blood type from what i have heard it is one of the least important indicators as nowadays most people have such a diverse range of genetics. However, I have not read or applied the blood type diet myself.
To everyone who’s asking where the metabolic typing info is coming from, all you have to do is read the book (The Metabolic TYping Diet). As Kelly said, it’s an interesting read. Also, there are some fabulous quotes in there, like the one that says (I’m paraphrasing here) that most people have absolutely no idea what really good health is - because they’ve neevr experienced it. Most people think that if they’re “not sick” they’re healthy, but there’s much more to it than that. Anyway, the ideas are interesting, novel to anyone who has accepted what the AMA etc. have been espousing for years, and well worth the cost of the book. That said, there are counter-examples to what the author says about native diets being good for the people involved. Basically, he states that when native people (from whatever region) are taken from their traditional, time-tested diet and exposed to a “good” western diet, they experience declines in health, looks, general well-being, etc. While the examples given in the book are certainly compelling, there are other examples that show the opposite. The one I personally am most familiar with is Japan, where the population is about as homogeneous as you’re going to find anywhere. After WWII, when the Occupation came in and (among other things) made it mandatory for schools to serve milk with their lunches, the average staure of the Japanese has risen dramatically - and it’s still going up with the continuing large-scale introduction of other foods nowadays. Before the war, they subsisted on a “healthy” native diet of fish and rice (basically), which left them with stunted growth and a lot of other problems. If you look at the young people here now, they look completely different from the older generations. So while metabolic typing is an interesting idea, and undoubtedly has applications to both day-to-day health and curing various diseases, it is not a universal panacea. Still, it should be on everyone’s shelf.
This subject is not interesting to me so I will keep this short. When it comes to the iron game, there are three most important things to consider: 1. metabolic rate or thyroid output. 2. insuline sensitivity 3. testosterone levels. Everything else in this beautiful world contributes or it is detrimental to functioning of these three body subsystems. We can re-invent and re-establish various theories as much as we want, but once you put you training, rest and diet in order, gaining muscle or losing fat depends on these three factors. So called “metabolic types”, fat this, protein that is nothing more but some kind of “applied bodybuilder’s Feng Shui”. If you want to know optimal pfc ratios, read once again Berardi’s Massive Eating principles, fasted insuline/glucose tests and presented equations. You do not need anything else, especially not some fancy-named theories. Well, this is what I had to say about this subject, I will not discuss it further, as I said, it is of no interest to me.
Is there any proof or even evidence for any of this? Most people eat a combination of food with a higher focus on carbs, I think this no carbs thing is a real body builder half assed overreaction to the last ridiculous trend (zero fat and all starch). What the hell are all of these traits supposed to do with the ability to eat food? Alot of people with a totally unclear mix of the above traits eat different kinds of food and seem able to digest it all. I mean really, ketogenic diets are one thing, but this is some really unbalanced voodoo. If this minutia really did shit, why is every one who does all this mystic shit dissatisfied with thier results? Most people who have good bodies don’t do any silly shit, they just work hard and fuck up less. Does anyone ever wonder if all thier magic potions and new (like lifting just got discovered) special methods actually work, or if they are worth all the effort?
For those that are interested, I seem to fall into the first, carb-likers group. Having said that I’m not going to screw with my diet just now. I’d like to see a pile more info on this stuff yet… I’m making no judgements as to the accuracy of these theories at this point, interesting as they may be.
seriousl i would never follow any thing that was not nutritionally sound and restricts has i could eat. Diets will and alway have made you fatter in the long run. because they restrict certain types of foods or require you too take special product. see a dietician because everyones different and they know how to work those differences into your eating plan. most diets work for a while but are never a permant thing.
To each his own, but too many of you guys are throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. In other words, you reject some underlying principles because something doesn’t “fit” in all circumstances. Now…I’m not someone who is completely innocent of this. I’ve said in the past that I have a HARD time with “motivational-it’s-all-within-you” gibberish, but I’m working on it. So…what are some principles that I see in the issue of “Metabolic Typing?”:
- My understanding is that hardly NO one is “All-or-None”. Due to historical genetic drift. most individuals will have characteristics of both traits BUT will have a PREDOMINANCE of characteristics. Kelly made that point very early.
2)Reality check, folks: GENETICS DETERMINES STRUCTURE AND FUNCTION! It’s not “Hocus Pocus” BUT PROVEN that depending upon underlying genetics, diet can PROFOUNDLY affect health. From In-Born errors of Metabolism (Phenylketonuruia, Galactosemia, Acidurias, etc.) to Lactose intolerance to Diabetes to Irritable Bowel, OUR UNDERLYING GENETICS CAN ALMOST “DICTATE” DIET! These disorders tend to be “the extremes”, but it is not a far stretch to extrapolate that the Human Population sits on some type of “Bell Distribution” in terms of the degree to which our diet affects our health.
3)I didn’t read Kelly’s post as some “Cure All” to this health and fitness puzzle…but simply as one piece to look at in order to optimize our results. That’s it. Let me tell you from personal experience. Many of the guys I work out with have eaten like crap since High School, and they STILL have physiques I envy. While i’m downing “Surge”. my boys are downing Pizza and Beer. The point? Most likely a GENETIC potential to process high gycemic carbs, calories, and fat much more efficiently than myself. Do I use that as an excuse? As Martin Lawrence would say “HHelll No!” BUT, I BETTER optimize my diet if I expect to make any type of significant physique enhancement gains.
Hey…congratulations to you guys who can do “A, B and C”, and succeed. Power to you. But many of us have to be more meticulous. Again…the CONCEPTS and PRINCIPLES of metabolic typing are just one more piece (NOT panacea) in helping me reach my genetic potential. Mufasa.
Well said mufasa. I think people are trying to look at this as some form of abstract or mystical idea which it is not. If you’ve ever measured various functions of the body such as glucose, insulin, testosterone, thyroid etc. then those tests can all be a form of metabolic typing so the concept is really quite simple…figure out how you’re functioning physiologically and eat accordingly.
kelly this is the biggest piece of crap i ever heard it takes into account what people think they are its not based on any scientific prodicol at all and if some one says it is then you fuck in the head for believing them.
it doesnt take into account factors like age, sex, training, height weight or what some one does for a living. its only basis is what someone likes to eat and what they look like. if they changed their lifestyle (not real the foods one eats) you you find that they would all look the way they wanted too. and reason that the majority of people doent look the way they want is cause of crap people write like this.
I wish people would quit flaming new ideas. If you wish to add to the discussion by attacking the merits of and idea with well thought out points, then fine. If your responses are going to include “this is crap” or “bullshit” leave it out of these discussions. There is a time and place for flaming (like attacking other companies shitty supplements like Syntrax), but not for ideas or theories. I’m not always mister innocent either, but if I see a posted topic I’m not interested in, I ignore it.
What a load of crap! you cant catagorize people like that most people dont even fit perfectly into the three sameotological groups : ecto, endo and meso let alone the vast bullshit criteria you have just typed out.
I read the metabolic typing diet cover to cover. It is an interesting read. It has some helpful information however it is phenominally subjective. It depends on mood at the time you take the self assessment. Basing your main diet on this would not be wise. It does however have some interesting ideas when you get down to the nitty gritty of the studies it is based on. I would extapolate as much of it as you can into your own program but I would not follow it for more than 3 weeks at a time before re-assessing it.
Kelley- thanks for the info. I found it extremely interesting. If you find any more on the subject please post it!
pupils smaller than iris??? don’t do well eating sweets by themselves??? procrastinators??? lots of saliva??? Uh…next post please.
I propose that we classify all people into two groups: black and white. Of course, not everyone will fall exactly into those two categories. Some will be light brown, while others are dark brown, but they are all just variations of two major types. Just kidding. If you guys want to subscribe to this metabolic typing stuff, go right ahead. As for me, I think it is much more complex–everyone should be based on blood type. Nah, kidding again.
For the protein and fat types, what is an ideal carb to protein ration in the postworkout shake? Obviously, I know that carbs would be relatively limited throughout the day, but can they be increased substantially at this time? The reason I ask is that I like the Massive Eating plans, as my energy levels have been fantastic, but I have put on some body fat relatively quickly over the past week, and I wonder if it is from having too many carbs after I work out. Thanks.
Eric I like to use a post workout drink of carb= 40% of bodyweight and protein=20% of bodyweight along with glutamine and BCAAs during workout. So if you weighed 200 lbs you’d take in 80 grams carbs and 40 grams protein postworkout.