More Crossfit Hating

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

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Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

Point is… you don’t let someone do difficult excerises when they are undeveloped or have proper form yet.

I have had plenty of friends who have no idea how to workout hit the gym with me and I would never let them deadlift/squat right away, until they learn proper form on everything else and strengthen up.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

dumb as usual.

I wouldn’t have 99% of men doing this lift either. has nothing to do with women. it has to do with risk/benefit and all the contortions a newbie is going thru to perform a lift with very little benefit.

anyone care to list the benefits of the continental clean that cannot be accomplished with other movements?
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  1. Spinal damage
  2. Bicep rupture
  3. Really good bruises

Now, these are benef-- oh wait…

x2 I dont hate on CF at all, but from the vids, the risks seem to outweigh the positives. FTR any type I love OH pressing.

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
FTR any type I love OH pressing.[/quote]
I would have never thought that after seeing your Avi. :slight_smile:

When is the meet?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

dumb as usual.

I wouldn’t have 99% of men doing this lift either. has nothing to do with women. it has to do with risk/benefit and all the contortions a newbie is going thru to perform a lift with very little benefit.

anyone care to list the benefits of the continental clean that cannot be accomplished with other movements?
[/quote]

Learning how to do a continental clean.

I swear sometimes people like to argue just to fucking argue. Give me a break searching for ANY reason to argue the basic premise that having a group of trainees attempting to perform an ESOTERIC lift with a risk for injury that outweighs any benefit is not just stupid.

So what it’s done in competition. These aren’t competitors.
There is no benefit to this exercise that is not duplicated by a safer one.
Challenges are great. But you can perform challenges with less risk of injury.
Coaching/instruction in a lift shouldn’t be limited to “c’mon, you got it”.
It’s ALL fun until someone gets hurt. Again, these aren’t competitors and they aren’t training for the Continental Clean Championship of North America.

This thread could not be more than 3 pages long without dissent on these crystal clear basic points. Why is this thread 7 and soon to be more pages!!!

For the record, I am by no means a “cross fit hater”.

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

dumb as usual.

I wouldn’t have 99% of men doing this lift either. has nothing to do with women. it has to do with risk/benefit and all the contortions a newbie is going thru to perform a lift with very little benefit.

anyone care to list the benefits of the continental clean that cannot be accomplished with other movements?
[/quote]

Learning how to do a continental clean.[/quote]

:slight_smile:

Can we then add learning how to get hit by a car?
Perhaps learning how to fall from a cliff?
Why don’t we pile more than they can squat on a bar and teaching them how to dump a squat too?

:slight_smile:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I’m calling dibs on the 00:28 girl.

[/quote]

Most people on this site aren’t attracted to girls who look 12, so I think you’ll be fine.[/quote]

Wait, does that mean she may be older?

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
FTR any type I love OH pressing.[/quote]
I would have never thought that after seeing your Avi. :slight_smile:

When is the meet?[/quote]

Next Saturday bro…getting a deep tissue massage tomorrow (BY A MAN…YEAH BABY) so Im as ready as could be for it.

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
x2 I dont hate on CF at all, but from the vids, the risks seem to outweigh the positives. FTR any type I love OH pressing.[/quote]

Get thee to the Overhead Challenge thread. I bumped it for your convenience.

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I’m calling dibs on the 00:28 girl.

[/quote]

Most people on this site aren’t attracted to girls who look 12, so I think you’ll be fine.[/quote]

Wait, does that mean she may be older?[/quote]

Or, younger than she looks ;).

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

I doubt even most pro athletes or serious bodybuilders (competitive or non-competitive) or even serious power lifters are in the gym “for fun”. I’m there to make progress. That won’t happen for long if my technique is so poor it promotes injury.

What is empowering is gaining more strength and power…not doing random movements in the gym just for the “fun of it”.

A few months ago two newbs broke the lat pull down machine. They were “having fun” with it using poor form and slamming the weights back down. Too bad we all had to suffer for their “fun time”.[/quote]

Sorry about the equipment at your gym, but we can have fun without breaking stuff.

Most people aren’t pro-athletes or serious bodybuilders. They just want to ‘get in shape’ (whatever that means). They find working out to be ‘boring’, and don’t stick with it long enough to do any good. I think if they perceived physical movement to be enjoyable, they would stick with it longer.

In my opinion, that movement looked like it could be fun learn. But then again, I enjoy learning new lifts.

Now smile dammit!

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

Where’s the mooseknucke.[/quote]

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

Where’s the mooseknucke.[/quote]
[/quote]

shoot for something of substance rather than being clever all the time. you’re a one trick pony.

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

I doubt even most pro athletes or serious bodybuilders (competitive or non-competitive) or even serious power lifters are in the gym “for fun”. I’m there to make progress. That won’t happen for long if my technique is so poor it promotes injury.

What is empowering is gaining more strength and power…not doing random movements in the gym just for the “fun of it”.

A few months ago two newbs broke the lat pull down machine. They were “having fun” with it using poor form and slamming the weights back down. Too bad we all had to suffer for their “fun time”.[/quote]

Sorry about the equipment at your gym, but we can have fun without breaking stuff.

Most people aren’t pro-athletes or serious bodybuilders. They just want to ‘get in shape’ (whatever that means). They find working out to be ‘boring’, and don’t stick with it long enough to do any good. I think if they perceived physical movement to be enjoyable, they would stick with it longer.

In my opinion, that movement looked like it could be fun learn. But then again, I enjoy learning new lifts.

Now smile dammit!
[/quote]

I read a study showing women enjoy journeys while men enjoy the goal itself. It was a broad study including shopping, work and exercise among others.

It stated women are in fact more successful in achieving fitness goals with variety and in group settings while men were more likely to work out alone and were more strongly motivated by results alone than a mix of results, group support and excitement.

I gather you are a very feminine chick and I dig that.

This is basically a gender discussion though whether people realize it or not and there will be no winner. FTR.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

dumb as usual.

I wouldn’t have 99% of men doing this lift either. has nothing to do with women. it has to do with risk/benefit and all the contortions a newbie is going thru to perform a lift with very little benefit.

anyone care to list the benefits of the continental clean that cannot be accomplished with other movements?
[/quote]

Learning how to do a continental clean.[/quote]

:slight_smile:

Can we then add learning how to get hit by a car?
Perhaps learning how to fall from a cliff?
Why don’t we pile more than they can squat on a bar and teaching them how to dump a squat too?

:)[/quote]

Damn, I tried to list all of the benefits…

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Bump
[/quote]

Are you really bumping this quote?

Hello. Lifiting can be fun. Learning how to lift ‘heavy’ shit over your head is empowering.

The only reason you wouldn’t want to teach a woman this, or any other overhead lift, is that you thing they are better off in the kitchen making sandwiches.

/I make an an awesome sandwich
/for me
/the ingredients are in the kitchen, go make your own
[/quote]

I doubt even most pro athletes or serious bodybuilders (competitive or non-competitive) or even serious power lifters are in the gym “for fun”. I’m there to make progress. That won’t happen for long if my technique is so poor it promotes injury.

What is empowering is gaining more strength and power…not doing random movements in the gym just for the “fun of it”.

A few months ago two newbs broke the lat pull down machine. They were “having fun” with it using poor form and slamming the weights back down. Too bad we all had to suffer for their “fun time”.[/quote]

Sorry about the equipment at your gym, but we can have fun without breaking stuff.

Most people aren’t pro-athletes or serious bodybuilders. They just want to ‘get in shape’ (whatever that means). They find working out to be ‘boring’, and don’t stick with it long enough to do any good. I think if they perceived physical movement to be enjoyable, they would stick with it longer.

In my opinion, that movement looked like it could be fun learn. But then again, I enjoy learning new lifts.

Now smile dammit!
[/quote]

I read a study showing women enjoy journeys while men enjoy the goal itself. It was a broad study including shopping, work and exercise among others.

It stated women are in fact more successful in achieving fitness goals with variety and in group settings while men were more likely to work out alone and were more strongly motivated by results alone than a mix of results, group support and excitement.

I gather you are a very feminine chick and I dig that.

This is basically a gender discussion though whether people realize it or not and there will be no winner. FTR.
[/quote]

it’s not a gender discussion. she warped it to that. it’s a discussion about the value of the continental lift to a bunch of largely untrained trainees who are never going to compete in the lift. it’s actually pretty simple.

and any idiot that witnesses the shopping habits of men and women could have teased the conclusion cited by you above. duh.

^It’s gendered because of who is saying it has application, or that it could possibly be fun, or just because from what I saw the videos were mainly focused on women?

Or because the discussion against the exercise has been final.goal.oriented?

Answer this: if the CC is simply a means of shortening ROM to the racked position, why program it if you’re not a strongman athlete? You’re gonna get more carryover from doing a power clean (increased bar travel).

It makes sense for a strongman to execute this move (axle diameter, economy of energy), not a crossfitter.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
shoot for something of substance rather than being clever all the time. you’re a one trick pony. [/quote]