More Crossfit Hating

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
It’s a continental clean. We do them when we’re repping a heavy clean and press, like in a competition. It’s not pretty, theirs look way sloppier than we try to do em, and I generally end up with weird bruises, but it is a viable lift. You do a normal clean and press as long as you can, and then you go on to continental if you must.

I will say I continental clean double overhand, but I have a friend who just placed at Nationals who does them mixed grip.

You guys sound like the YouTube commenters who tell me I’m an idiot for arching in a bench.[/quote]

I’m not sure how you can miss the obvious. There is NO value to performing this lift to that group of trainees. They are NOT training for competition.

How do you miss this rather simple risk/benefit analysis?[/quote]

Not sure how you can miss the obvious. OP stated, “apparently, that’s a real lift, some type of strongman lift.”

I think it’s ludicrous to question a goofy movement when you don’t even know what it is. If OP had said “Wow, apparently this is how CF teaches continental cleans…” then you’d have a point. Rocky and I already discussed this, supra, but apparently you missed that rather simple discussion as well.

kisses

I think it’s ludicrous to question a goofy movement when you don’t even know what it is. If OP had said “Wow, apparently this is how CF teaches continental cleans…” then you’d have a point. Rocky and I already discussed this, supra, but apparently you missed that rather simple discussion as well.

kisses

Good point.

Met a lady in my gym last week who owns a crossfit place in AZ and was looking to open a new one. She was doing cleans and her form was not great, at least in my opinion. She was.going to learn oly lifts at some US Oly fed training camp.

My point is that not all crossfit is going to be the same and (hopefully) the owners/trainers will seek to get better. But that does not mean they all ate good at what they preach either.

for those not familiar with JC Santana, he’s one the most respected leaders in the fitness industry, here’s a snippet from him FB post.

"Guys - CERTS . . . SHMERTS . . Forget the paper. Sooner or later there are these things we call PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, COMMON SENSE, and proven greatness over time -NOT THE WEB. This VIDEO is an example of all three being violated. The reason CROSSFIT IS GETTING BASHED IS BECAUSE MORE AND MORE WE ARE SEEING STUFF LIKE THIS COMING OUT OF THEIR CAMPS.

It’s just like the profiling that is going on all over the world. If those reeking havoc are from a single group - IT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE FROM THAT GROUP IS REEKING HAVOC! BUT STILL - you profile that group cause nobody else is wreaking havoc. Sure there are bad trainers everywhere and their are GREAT TRAINERS AT CROSSFIT. BUT, when the industry continues to see bad trainers and bad practices from a single entity THAT IS IN THE SPOTLIGHT, especially one that brags and gets MUCH AIR time with their “bad asses” claims, then that entity becomes accountable to the highest level - that’s all.

Take 24-HR Fitness as one example - same substandard personnel and practices (with exceptions of course), but nobody talks about them. WHY? Because everyone knows they pay $12/hr for PT and can’t get qualified professionals for that pay. We all now that 24hrFit is a money machine and they don?t claim to be bad asses, nor and have the 24 HR Fit World Games. SO - it’s no surprise to anyone that 24 HR FIT is what it is and we keep rolling. BUT - Crossfit put itself at the top of the “PUBLIC EYE” thru marketing, not accomplishments nor advancements within fitness - JUST LIKE CURVES (where are they now?).

Like our politicians, Crossfit put themselves at a different level of scrutiny - and now they can’t hold up to that scrutiny. Here is the problem with e-marketing, the internet, and the CULT-LIKE nature of our society. We are suckers for the magic pill cause we want to be GREAT without displaying GREATNESS. We want to experience greatness without earning it!! Well - this is what happens when you blow up and can’t back up the BOOM.

I say Crossfit is the next Curves. Why? For a host of reasons, but mainly Crossfit has a narrow market but appeals to the ignorant masses, just like Jerry Springer and car crashes. There are few that can actually do the CF training, but its sold to a large population that will ‘become’ the market and train like that - whether appropriate or not.

As I said, not many can train like this and survive, yet people will become the market cause Crossfit is being sold as bad-ass training to a culture dying to be bad-asses, but lost the will to work for “BAD-ASSNESS” a long time ago. THIS MEANS CONTINUED NEGLIGENCE, INJURIES, HIGHER SCRUTINY, BIGGER LAWSUITS, until one day the big one takes them out. TRUST ME - I WILL TAKE THE STAND AS AN EXPERT WITNESS ONE DAY FOR ONE OF THESE CASES.

I’ve consulted already with out-of-court settlements cause the insurance would NOT go to court to defend Crossfit. Pretty soon no insurance will cover a Crossfit, like no insurance wants to cover sky diving. Crossfit is what is sells… A car crash.

There are great trainers at some Crossfits and there is NO DOUBT in my mind about that. SO - don’t defend yourselves - I’m not attacking YOU!! BUT - it is blatantly obvious that if the Crossfit culture does not change it will disintegrate inside of 5 years! You ‘Crossfitters’ are at your peak now so ride this wave - it won?t last in its current form. BUT who knows - I could be way off on this -what the hell do I know?"

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Met a lady in my gym last week who owns a crossfit place in AZ and was looking to open a new one. She was doing cleans and her form was not great, at least in my opinion. She was.going to learn oly lifts at some US Oly fed training camp.

My point is that not all crossfit is going to be the same and (hopefully) the owners/trainers will seek to get better. But that does not mean they all ate good at what they preach either.[/quote]

Agreed.

But the level 1 cert is a joke, and if Xfit is gonna charge $4,000 a year for the right to use the name (I believe this is the going rate now) and let somebody open a crossfit gym right across the street from yours…there should be some more stringent standards on who can “instruct” crossfit.

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
This reminds me of the zercher thread. OMG you’re going to tear a bicept with that crazy outlandish crap.[/quote]

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/how_come_we_never_see_huge_zercher_lifts?id=4610298&pageNo=0

^ Okay Edit shit blocked this was at Jehova and what Utah said

I agree with what he is saying however Certs are what allow them to open the gym and put up the logo.

I cant open a Chickfila without paying for the license. They stay popular and fresh by limiting how many license they give out to open a Chickfila.

Same thing happens in the medical field with nursing. To many entry level nursing degrees.

If CF does want to survive and legitimize then they need to stem the growth and do the Certs correctly.

I could care either way, I have done a lot of their workouts, BUT the gym I went to is run by an X PL/Strongman guy so he doesnt drink the Koolaide

Of course you can question something if you don’t know it’s a “real” lift. Why couldn’t you if you know a little something about the human body?

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Met a lady in my gym last week who owns a crossfit place in AZ and was looking to open a new one. She was doing cleans and her form was not great, at least in my opinion. She was.going to learn oly lifts at some US Oly fed training camp.

My point is that not all crossfit is going to be the same and (hopefully) the owners/trainers will seek to get better. But that does not mean they all ate good at what they preach either.[/quote]

Agreed.

But the level 1 cert is a joke, and if Xfit is gonna charge $4,000 a year for the right to use the name (I believe this is the going rate now) and let somebody open a crossfit gym right across the street from yours…there should be some more stringent standards on who can “instruct” crossfit.[/quote]

I agree. We had a brief exchange about cleans form but I recognized I would just as well keep my mouth shut. She was not instructing anyone at the time, so eh.

OOooooh I love Chick fil a!

^ pickles are the devil’s vegetable

oh and another important note. The exercise is one thing, but IMO it’s way more scary that what look like teens are doing this.

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
OOooooh I love Chick fil a![/quote]

Damn right, the wife always is amazed cause I get 4 chicken sammiches, nuggets and waffle fries. Plus a small diet coke.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
OOooooh I love Chick fil a![/quote]

Damn right, the wife always is amazed cause I get 4 chicken sammiches, nuggets and waffle fries. Plus a small diet coke.[/quote]

“…small diet coke.”

What, are you on a diet?

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
oh and another important note. The exercise is one thing, but IMO it’s way more scary that what look like teens are doing this.[/quote]

Just out of curiosity JF, what is your training routine?

BB/PL/Strongman/Oly

A diet coke after that? why?

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
OOooooh I love Chick fil a![/quote]

Damn right, the wife always is amazed cause I get 4 chicken sammiches, nuggets and waffle fries. Plus a small diet coke.[/quote]

“…small diet coke.”

What, are you on a diet?[/quote]

I like diet coke, diet dr pepper, coke zero, :slight_smile:

A girls got to watch her figure Double D

I prefer diet coke myself.

Regular coke makes my teeth feel gritty.

I just think the “small” part of the diet coke is funny.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
OOooooh I love Chick fil a![/quote]

Damn right, the wife always is amazed cause I get 4 chicken sammiches, nuggets and waffle fries. Plus a small diet coke.[/quote]

“…small diet coke.”

What, are you on a diet?[/quote]

I like diet coke, diet dr pepper, coke zero, :slight_smile:

A girls got to watch her figure Double D[/quote]

Diet DP FTW.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
oh and another important note. The exercise is one thing, but IMO it’s way more scary that what look like teens are doing this.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone disagrees with you that the form is terrifying, and I haven’t said one way or the other whether I think it’s appropriate for them to be doing this. I couldn’t even begin to guess what their goals are. I responded based on the “apparently this is a real lift” comment. All I’m saying is that yes, it is a real lift, it does have value in strongman, and the girls are scary sloppy (much like most posters’ girlfriends - HEY-O!).

If there was a “read between the lines” that I missed, and you were implying that it isn’t a real lift because it was executed poorly, I apologize for missing the subtlety.