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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.[/quote]

Even I have been lifting for 3+ years… consistently.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.[/quote]

You’ve lifted for three, by your own standard that isn’t much considering there are people who’ve lifted for multiple decades.

shit, and my experience, as a beginner isn’t legit to share with OTHER BEGINNERS for them to see if what I did works for them?

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.

You’ve lifted for three, by your own standard that isn’t much considering there are people who’ve lifted for multiple decades.

shit, and my experience, as a beginner isn’t legit to share with OTHER BEGINNERS for them to see if what I did works for them?[/quote]

You don’t share a whole lot…

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.

Even I have been lifting for 3+ years… consistently.[/quote]

and you have what to show for it?

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
One of my problems is that I cannot eat all of the food you guys are recommending me. It is extremely difficult to down more than a bowl of oatmeal in the morning… My appetite is rare, and when it arises I can kill it with the smallest of meals.

I am eating well enough now to know that I am getting adequate protein (roughly 70-120g of protein a day)

My main focus right now is cardio… so if you think my weightlifting is down… please realize I am working my ass off on the track, or on a stair stepper. I am pushing 30+ minutes of cardio a day. I have already lost a good amount of weight while I was NOT dieting… which I attribute to a mile a day.

I am getting several mixed messages on this board, some say interval training…others say consistent training.

Today I did shrugs, triceps, calves, hamstrings, situps, and then I ran out of time (dentist appointment)

For breakfast
I made an egg sandwich (2 eggs), oatmeal with natural peanut butter in it, a big glass of OJ and some unsalted nuts.

eating isnt allowed in school, I dont know how much I can stress this, it really gets in the way… I think I am gonna start packing my nuts and bringing them to school (literally and figuratively :wink:

Lunch I had the same thing as yesterday… Turkey sandwich on wheat, lettuce w/ that… an apple, 2% milk and some water.

After Workout: Can of Tuna, Banana

Dinner I will be having spaghetti with a large salad, going to scarf down some unsalted nuts, maybe an egg before bed or something… not sure.

Is spaghetti a good dinner? I thought we werent supposed to have a lot of carbs at night.

[/quote]

How old are you?..

I felt like posting because of the “I am getting several mixed messages on this board, some say interval training…others say consistent training.” You’re not getting mixed messages. Interval training is, for instance, sprinting all out for 30-60 seconds, then walking for a minute or so depending on how much experience you have, and then sprinting again. Doing this multiple times (say 8 “reps”) is going to be more effective fat loss wise than a bunch of cardio.

You really need more than 120g of protein if you weigh 200lbs… unless you have 60% bf.
You don’t have to eat in class to make it through the day, I eat breakfast at 7:30, then lunch at 11, then at 3, when i get home, I’ll have another, its not necessarily ideal, but you’ve gotta work with what you got instead of complaining about what you don’t.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.

Even I have been lifting for 3+ years… consistently.

and you have what to show for it?[/quote]

I am actually fairly strong considering my body fat %.
Just because I am overweight, does not mean I am weak and out of shape.

I am in better shape than a lot of kids who have been lifting for a long time and who are much smaller than me.

I have asthma, and I could qualify for varsity cross country for track… I am just cosmetically displeasing. Thats my only concern.

SO please do not make the mistake of thinking I am some sort of weak, muscle lacking, short winded fatbag

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[quote]mattchew wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
One of my problems is that I cannot eat all of the food you guys are recommending me. It is extremely difficult to down more than a bowl of oatmeal in the morning… My appetite is rare, and when it arises I can kill it with the smallest of meals.

I am eating well enough now to know that I am getting adequate protein (roughly 70-120g of protein a day)

My main focus right now is cardio… so if you think my weightlifting is down… please realize I am working my ass off on the track, or on a stair stepper. I am pushing 30+ minutes of cardio a day. I have already lost a good amount of weight while I was NOT dieting… which I attribute to a mile a day.

I am getting several mixed messages on this board, some say interval training…others say consistent training.

Today I did shrugs, triceps, calves, hamstrings, situps, and then I ran out of time (dentist appointment)

For breakfast
I made an egg sandwich (2 eggs), oatmeal with natural peanut butter in it, a big glass of OJ and some unsalted nuts.

eating isnt allowed in school, I dont know how much I can stress this, it really gets in the way… I think I am gonna start packing my nuts and bringing them to school (literally and figuratively :wink:

Lunch I had the same thing as yesterday… Turkey sandwich on wheat, lettuce w/ that… an apple, 2% milk and some water.

After Workout: Can of Tuna, Banana

Dinner I will be having spaghetti with a large salad, going to scarf down some unsalted nuts, maybe an egg before bed or something… not sure.

Is spaghetti a good dinner? I thought we werent supposed to have a lot of carbs at night.

How old are you?..

I felt like posting because of the “I am getting several mixed messages on this board, some say interval training…others say consistent training.” You’re not getting mixed messages. Interval training is, for instance, sprinting all out for 30-60 seconds, then walking for a minute or so depending on how much experience you have, and then sprinting again. Doing this multiple times (say 8 “reps”) is going to be more effective fat loss wise than a bunch of cardio.

You really need more than 120g of protein if you weigh 200lbs… unless you have 60% bf.
You don’t have to eat in class to make it through the day, I eat breakfast at 7:30, then lunch at 11, then at 3, when i get home, I’ll have another, its not necessarily ideal, but you’ve gotta work with what you got instead of complaining about what you don’t.[/quote]

Thanks for the post.
I assumed that my protein intake was on par because I read some posts in the diet & nutrition forum and most people were reporting similar protein intake…

I am 18.

My actual plan for cardio is to do long distance at a high rate of speed for awhile to build up endurance, and then do the interval sprints… and cut my overall cardio down to 20 minutes a day of interval training.

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.

Even I have been lifting for 3+ years… consistently.

and you have what to show for it?

I am actually fairly strong considering my body fat %.
Just because I am overweight, does not mean I am weak and out of shape.

I am in better shape than a lot of kids who have been lifting for a long time and who are much smaller than me.

I have asthma, and I could qualify for varsity cross country for track… I am just cosmetically displeasing. Thats my only concern.

SO please do not make the mistake of thinking I am some sort of weak, muscle lacking, short winded fatbag
[/quote]

I really have no reason to believe any of this, nor does anyone here unless you have pics/videos.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’ve put in my time in the weightroom, I’ve fine tuned my diet (well, when I was cutting, now I eat junk food here and there). I’ve used my experience in what has/hasn’t worked and given it to people here. ANd some people respect that and you apparently don’t. Yet again if you have any more comments to make on me you can take it to my log in strength sports, and we can hammer out everything wrong I do there.

You have been lifting for a year. Thats not “putting in your time”, its “getting started”.

Even I have been lifting for 3+ years… consistently.

and you have what to show for it?

I am actually fairly strong considering my body fat %.
Just because I am overweight, does not mean I am weak and out of shape.

I am in better shape than a lot of kids who have been lifting for a long time and who are much smaller than me.

I have asthma, and I could qualify for varsity cross country for track… I am just cosmetically displeasing. Thats my only concern.

SO please do not make the mistake of thinking I am some sort of weak, muscle lacking, short winded fatbag

I really have no reason to believe any of this, nor does anyone here unless you have pics/videos.[/quote]

Fine with me

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:

Thanks for the post.
I assumed that my protein intake was on par because I read some posts in the diet & nutrition forum and most people were reporting similar protein intake…

I am 18.

My actual plan for cardio is to do long distance at a high rate of speed for awhile to build up endurance, and then do the interval sprints… and cut my overall cardio down to 20 minutes a day of interval training.[/quote]

Not sure who was only getting that much… If you are a member at Sam’s Club (or Costco, don’t have one around here) you can get 90 servings of EAS protein for $29, if you take one after every workout, you are getting 23g more protein, along with some BCAA’s, and that will last you a good 3.5 months.

Oh, well that actually sounds similar to what I am planning to do.

I can’t really add anything else as far as trying to make ends meet food wise as my parents pay for most of my food, I’ve just gotta cover a few pounds of meat per week (yay bulk meat)and some fish oil (yay cheap fish oil and buy 2 get one free flame out).

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70-120grams of protein is not adequate. you should be getting at LEAST, 1 gram of protein per pound of bodywieght. this is common knowledge if you knew anything about bodybuilding.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
70-120grams of protein is not adequate. you should be getting at LEAST, 1 gram of protein per pound of bodywieght. this is common knowledge if you knew anything about bodybuilding.[/quote]

Ah, thanks for the advice.

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Why are people bothering with this troll? I’m usually pretty laid back. But he’s got to be one of the biggest asses I’ve seen on this website. He doesn’t deserve anyone’s help.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Why are people bothering with this troll? I’m usually pretty laid back. But he’s got to be one of the biggest asses I’ve seen on this website. He doesn’t deserve anyone’s help.[/quote]

Why does it matter? Please, if you dont care or think I’m an idiot. Just close this box and go outside.

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Why are people bothering with this troll? I’m usually pretty laid back. But he’s got to be one of the biggest asses I’ve seen on this website. He doesn’t deserve anyone’s help.

Why does it matter? Please, if you dont care or think I’m an idiot. Just close this box and go outside.[/quote]

By telling you to stop being a ladyboy we are actually trying to HELP you. Asthma boy! lol

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Ok so I am trying to be cosmetically pleasing and have a question. lets say all I can buy is chicken and eggs or sunchips and grapes. what is the best way to go about it? Do I eat the sunchips with the chicken? And would that count as a P/C meal or a P/F meal?

Now doesn’t that sound stupid to you Hanger?

Who gives a shit if sunchips arent like eating fatpills, there are better foods you can use for fuel. its about efficiency of the burn man damn.

You dont know shit, Just stop fighting these stupid meatheads and learn from them…then someday you can teach some kid and have him fight everything and call you a low IQ meathead.

More Lifty(fork included), Less Typy…

Tear me down if you want, but this place is a fucking goldmine of like minded Individuals that are amazing at helping and even cheer leading people that want to LEARN and have a decent attitude. Your still a douche, but I have hope for ya, Ill be in my garage…

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[quote]Get Stoked wrote:
Ok so I am trying to be cosmetically pleasing and have a question. lets say all I can buy is chicken and eggs or sunchips and grapes. what is the best way to go about it? Do I eat the sunchips with the chicken? And would that count as a P/C meal or a P/F meal?

Now doesn’t that sound stupid to you Hanger?

Who gives a shit if sunchips arent like eating fatpills, there are better foods you can use for fuel. its about efficiency of the burn man damn.

You dont know shit, Just stop fighting these stupid meatheads and learn from them…then someday you can teach some kid and have him fight everything and call you a low IQ meathead.

More Lifty(fork included), Less Typy…

Tear me down if you want, but this place is a fucking goldmine of like minded Individuals that are amazing at helping and even cheer leading people that want to LEARN and have a decent attitude. Your still a douche, but I have hope for ya, Ill be in my garage…

[/quote]

I may have been harsh in my original post but I 100% agree with get stoked. You are still a moron.

In case you can’t tell from stronghold flaming me I deffinately do not deserve meathead status. I and many other hold the word meathead for people who earned it.

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[quote]Get Stoked wrote:
Ok so I am trying to be cosmetically pleasing and have a question. lets say all I can buy is chicken and eggs or sunchips and grapes. what is the best way to go about it? Do I eat the sunchips with the chicken? And would that count as a P/C meal or a P/F meal?

Now doesn’t that sound stupid to you Hanger?

Who gives a shit if sunchips arent like eating fatpills, there are better foods you can use for fuel. its about efficiency of the burn man damn.

You dont know shit, Just stop fighting these stupid meatheads and learn from them…then someday you can teach some kid and have him fight everything and call you a low IQ meathead.

More Lifty(fork included), Less Typy…

Tear me down if you want, but this place is a fucking goldmine of like minded Individuals that are amazing at helping and even cheer leading people that want to LEARN and have a decent attitude. Your still a douche, but I have hope for ya, Ill be in my garage…

[/quote]
Explanation for sunchips:
I dont pay $2.70 for a lunch only to discard half of it…

Oh and I like grapes

Just because I eat 1 bag of chips… very small bag… doesn’t mean I am royally screwing my entire diet.

I don’t have any cheat meals so maybe that makes up for it.

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Get Stoked wrote:
Ok so I am trying to be cosmetically pleasing and have a question. lets say all I can buy is chicken and eggs or sunchips and grapes. what is the best way to go about it? Do I eat the sunchips with the chicken? And would that count as a P/C meal or a P/F meal?

Now doesn’t that sound stupid to you Hanger?

Who gives a shit if sunchips arent like eating fatpills, there are better foods you can use for fuel. its about efficiency of the burn man damn.

You dont know shit, Just stop fighting these stupid meatheads and learn from them…then someday you can teach some kid and have him fight everything and call you a low IQ meathead.

More Lifty(fork included), Less Typy…

Tear me down if you want, but this place is a fucking goldmine of like minded Individuals that are amazing at helping and even cheer leading people that want to LEARN and have a decent attitude. Your still a douche, but I have hope for ya, Ill be in my garage…

Explanation for sunchips:
I dont pay $2.70 for a lunch only to discard half of it…

Oh and I like grapes

Just because I eat 1 bag of chips… very small bag… doesn’t mean I am royally screwing my entire diet.

I don’t have any cheat meals so maybe that makes up for it.[/quote]

Why in the hell is anyone still posting here. Are you gluttons for punishment. This is so far beyond laughable. I entered in tonight because I couldn’t believe the number of post in this thread.

And, you’re not screwing up your diet, you dont eat enough in a day to qualify the food as a diet. But thats not what you want to hear. Hardcore plan? Huh, whiney brat.

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Cosmetically displeasing asthma-boy! Awesome superhero name. Now all we need are some bike shorts and some sort of cape… hmm…