MMA Training Hub II

I’m considering pursuing Krav’s LE training division, though I’m not yet highly ranked enough to do so. I figure now is the time to explore whether I want to go in that direction, so if that’s what I choose, I’ll be ready when the time comes.

Also, I’ve recently come to realize how many cops, sheriffs, & soldiers are in my classes. It’s not enough (I believe) for me to only teach them, say, how to throw a punch. If I can see what their life looks like, I can create drills & exercises that will be of more benefit to them. And, of course, it IS just plain interesting. :slight_smile:

I’m out of luck in that respect with the soldiers, of course, but I’m trying to take full advantage of the opportunities I do have.

Any advice you can give me, ever, about soldiers, HolyMac, will always be appreciated.

[quote]Miss Parker wrote:

Any advice you can give me, ever, about soldiers, HolyMac, will always be appreciated.

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ehh, there are lot more guys on here with much more experience as a ‘solider’ so for now, i’ll leave that to them.

my only concern would be possible discrimination against you considering you are not prior LE/MIL. usually civilians that try to tote a new shooting or combat system that don’t have experience in those fields are frowned upon.

understandably, it’d be like taking advice from a PT who’s skinny-fat.

granted, the fact that you have been asked to consider that kind of position must mean you’re pretty BA, so congrats on that. keep us updated

what department is it with, if you don’t mind telling? myself and a few buddies took a ASP baton and handcuff course with houston PD and wondering if it’s the same guys

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:

Any advice you can give me, ever, about soldiers, HolyMac, will always be appreciated.

ehh, there are lot more guys on here with much more experience as a ‘solider’ so for now, i’ll leave that to them.

my only concern would be possible discrimination against you considering you are not prior LE/MIL. usually civilians that try to tote a new shooting or combat system that don’t have experience in those fields are frowned upon.

understandably, it’d be like taking advice from a PT who’s skinny-fat.
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Absolutely. That’s been a concern for me, as well as the fact that I look like Little Bo Peep, and not LE/MIL.

No, the only thing they’ve asked me to do was be in a video when they needed an extra person to work with the real officers. They only asked me because I was in the right place at the right time, and I know enough to be able to realistically fake what I [i]don’t[/i} know once they tell me what they want. I liked working with the officers that day & want to learn more about how to do that. So I asked them to teach me more, to prepare me for possibly working with/training cops & soldiers the krav stuff that applies only to them.

Additionally, we have lots of cops/soldiers attending the regular krav classes, the ones I teach, & I want to be able to give them the tools they need to stay alive. Because of my smaller stature & girly appearance, it’s easy for big guys to dismiss me, frankly. I have to know this stuff inside & out if I want to be successful.

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what department is it with, if you don’t mind telling? myself and a few buddies took a ASP baton and handcuff course with houston PD and wondering if it’s the same guys[/quote]

Austin PD, Travis County sheriff’s office, Austin Rangers, & soldiers from Fort Hood are the ones we mostly train locally. We have guys who go all over the country to different military bases & train on site, but I wouldn’t be doing that.

I found a place near my house (about a 15 minute bike ride) that does striking and ground game, so today I went there for a free session. The session started at 12, so I got there at 11:30, because im super anal about being punctual. Met the teacher, seemed like a cool guy, signed the waiver and what not. He asked me about any previous experience, and I said “A little wrestling.” :wink:

So I go change (feels good being in spandex again :b ) and start stretching in the somewhat small room (good thing for me, means they must not have many people show up). The instructor comes out in his gi, and we start rolling. Now this is really my second experience rolling with somebody who knows what they were doing. We started on our knees (something I didn’t like, I didn’t spend 4 years on standup for wrestling to just have jujitsu toss it out the window) and I immediately shot in for a single. Im a long skinny dude, and in wrestling am comfortable relying on my long limbs to do most of the work. I hooked his right leg with my left leg, and looked to circle, but he threw his weight into me (im MAYBE 145, he was probably 180-190) and it was hard for me to finish. After a bunch of hoopla that I don’t remember, he tried to headlock me. So I threw my left leg in, and scooted my head out, and took his back! I could tell instantly that he was surprised. I got both my legs in, than switched off to a body triangle (i’ve seen guys do it on TV, how hard can it be?) and more or less sat there, not knowing what to do next. He eventually got away and submitted me with some sort of choke (im bad at telling which is which right now). He gets up and says “Bull fucking shit a little wrestling” with a large grin on his face. So I tell him a little about my wrestling experience, and while he insisted that I had previous BJJ experience, I just kept telling him that I picked it all up by watching it, and how I thought my unorthodox lanky clingy style translated well to BJJ.

So class started, there was me, 5 other people, and the instructor, which is a huge plus. We warmed up, my cardio is about where I figured it would be, it will be back up to never-ending in about a week :smiley: We did a little striking on pads, I did well at the kicks, but punching is going to take a LOT of work. That we worked on keylocks from side control, and than arm triangles from side control. All the movement and transitions felt great, I just need to get lots of reps in on the actual subs. Than we took a short break and went into randori (I feel sooooo cool using all the lingo).

I know some people are against somebody rolling on their first day, and chokes are REALLY uncomfortable and unnatural feeling, I really just wanted to get into the competition. The first guy I rolled with was a large guy, MUCH larger, probably 250 portly little man. I shoot in for my single, get it, blah blah blah he tries to headthrow me (my neck is so long and skinny, I would do it to me as well :3 ) and than laid on my head. I was totally fine, but he thought I might be in trouble, so he let go, which is a good thing I suppose. We go again, and this time he tries to pull guard. I pushed his left leg down and go into half guard, but he latched into half guard real tight. It took me a while to figure it out, but I eventually pried his legs off and passed to mount. I sat there for a bit, surprised it was actually working, and than got an armbar and he tapped. He got some flak from the other guys for getting spanked by the new kid c:

Next guy was the best guy in the class (idk how he would fare against the instructor) and was the guy I worked the pads with. He pulled guard, but I was able to jump it and get to north south. Now I had no idea what to do, and just sorta sat there, than switched to side control, as I figured I should work on what I learned in the class. Than the guy proceeded to submit me 4-5 times in like 1 minute, but I was still happy I was able to pass his guard to north south.

The last guy was about as tall and lanky as me, but probably 30 lbs more. We start, and I literally toyed with him. Guard, to half guard, to mount, than we rolled back and forth from mount to me taking his back, but I was unable to finish, as I dont know any real subs. I went for a gogoplata from the mount (I dont care, imma do fancy stuff I dont know how to do no matter what you guys say) and I actually got it close, and rolled to a omoplata, but I dont know how to finish a omoplata, so he hopped over, and I was in his guard. He passed to half guard, but I swept him and got mount. Once again I couldnt finish, but felt cool being able to get to mount so easily. However, he regained half, and than full guard (I kinda let him, didnt want to sit on top of him for another minute) but he sunk in a triangle. I held it off, holding my hand to my ear (thanks Joe Rogan!) but eventually he got it in. Still though, I did very well against him.

I had a LOT of fun, and want to work on relying on my wrestling less. I had virtually no offense off my back, which im sure we’ll work on. Im going to join the gym, and stay around for a while. I’ll move on once i’ve absorbed all the knowledge here, but it will be lots of fun.

TL;DR I beat up Hulk Hogan, had a 3 way with the olsen twins, and did a double backflip through a rinf of fire.

I try to get to JKD class at least 2 (3-4 would be better) times a week. Weightlifting 3 times a week. If I can afford to, and I continue to only be able to get to 2 (or less) JKD classes a week, I’ll take up either BJJ or boxing.

Other stuff I do is 1x15 min or 2x10 min of stretching a day, minimum. Also 20 min of jump rope a day.

Keeping my gf happy is also a workout in itself.

Prioritizing weightlifting now to get my n00b gains the first 6-12 months, as I’ve never done this, and would greatly benefit from more total strength. Before that it’s been all skill practice, and this last year I’ve had a minimum of 5 skill sessions a week, a maximum of 4 a day.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:

Any advice you can give me, ever, about soldiers, HolyMac, will always be appreciated.

ehh, there are lot more guys on here with much more experience as a ‘solider’ so for now, i’ll leave that to them.

my only concern would be possible discrimination against you considering you are not prior LE/MIL. usually civilians that try to tote a new shooting or combat system that don’t have experience in those fields are frowned upon.

understandably, it’d be like taking advice from a PT who’s skinny-fat.

granted, the fact that you have been asked to consider that kind of position must mean you’re pretty BA, so congrats on that. keep us updated

what department is it with, if you don’t mind telling? myself and a few buddies took a ASP baton and handcuff course with houston PD and wondering if it’s the same guys[/quote]

Oh wow dude your in the army? What else is fucking new? We get it. Just stop.

[quote]Nate112 wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:

Any advice you can give me, ever, about soldiers, HolyMac, will always be appreciated.

ehh, there are lot more guys on here with much more experience as a ‘solider’ so for now, i’ll leave that to them.

my only concern would be possible discrimination against you considering you are not prior LE/MIL. usually civilians that try to tote a new shooting or combat system that don’t have experience in those fields are frowned upon.

understandably, it’d be like taking advice from a PT who’s skinny-fat.

granted, the fact that you have been asked to consider that kind of position must mean you’re pretty BA, so congrats on that. keep us updated

what department is it with, if you don’t mind telling? myself and a few buddies took a ASP baton and handcuff course with houston PD and wondering if it’s the same guys

Oh wow dude your in the army? What else is fucking new? We get it. Just stop.
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Rubbish. You should hush.

Irish nice work.

Long skinny great first day- MY BJJ is kind of like that- :slight_smile:

[quote]Long.And.Skinny wrote:
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Cool post. I’ll be looking to start learning ground game soon (Muay Thai is still kicking my ass for now) so this was pretty informative for me to read.

Irish, kmc, jt, thanks for the encouraging posts. Im surprised i’ve actually managed to find a supportive forum for anything, much more so that its a forum for combat sports B)

I have insomnia, but I can tell that im going to sleep well tonight. There is just no tired like what you get from a hard day rolling.

I would have gone to tonights PM session, but im from MN and I had an obligation to watch Brett Favre, even though I don’t like football >.< I have a date with my GF planned tomorrow :S , but hopefully ill be able to do some maneuvering and ill be able to squeeze in a BJJ session. I just felt great all day today, im really really REALLY excited to be wrestling/whatever again. Hard work feels goooooooooooood.

I’m super OCD about things I care about, so im sure ill be posting every session I have on this thread, in excruciating detail. Once I figure out what the fuck im doing (and whats being done to me…), they will probably actually be interesting to read :3

Hopefully i’ll also get some tape of me (I literally have like 12 ten hour tapes filled with outdated wrestling sessions, im a little vain) and you guys can give me some advice. Just no laughing at how goofy I look, pretty please?

[quote]Long.And.Skinny wrote:
Irish, kmc, jt, thanks for the encouraging posts. Im surprised i’ve actually managed to find a supportive forum for anything, much more so that its a forum for combat sports B)

I have insomnia, but I can tell that im going to sleep well tonight. There is just no tired like what you get from a hard day rolling.

I would have gone to tonights PM session, but im from MN and I had an obligation to watch Brett Favre, even though I don’t like football >.< I have a date with my GF planned tomorrow :S , but hopefully ill be able to do some maneuvering and ill be able to squeeze in a BJJ session. I just felt great all day today, im really really REALLY excited to be wrestling/whatever again. Hard work feels goooooooooooood.

I’m super OCD about things I care about, so im sure ill be posting every session I have on this thread, in excruciating detail. Once I figure out what the fuck im doing (and whats being done to me…), they will probably actually be interesting to read :3

Hopefully i’ll also get some tape of me (I literally have like 12 ten hour tapes filled with outdated wrestling sessions, im a little vain) and you guys can give me some advice. Just no laughing at how goofy I look, pretty please?[/quote]

Glad you are enjoying your class. My advice is to hold off on the advanced moves for now. No way, in your 2nd-ever class you should be attempting a gogoplata and am omoplata. Try that stuff against guys that know what they are doing and you’re going to regret it. Use your limbs to your advantage; triangles and armbars will be your friends :slight_smile: Work on hitting those with precision.

Above all else, learn how to keep yourself out of bad spots. When you get tapped, take a few secodns to ask your training partner how he set that move up and what he did to secure the submission. Knowledge is key.

Stick to the basics. Work on your guard. Make it a goal to not have your opponent pass your guard for an entire 3-minute (or however long you roll) session. Work on your transitions. When you mentioned you moved from guard to north-south, I was perplexed. As you stated, you didn’t know what to do. If it were me, I would stick with passing guard and moving into side control. You’ll spend more time there than N-S, which honestly, isn’t used a ton in BJJ.

I know the inclination is to go-go-go but with BJJ, it’s all about slowing yourself down and mastering the techniques. Everything pieces together like a puzzle. Rolling is fun, but without the proper technique, it’s not necessarily the best thing to be doing from the jump.

Not trying to deflate your spirits, just trying to share some tips. Hope you found some of it useful.

This morning 5 rounds of: 5 manmakers, 10 perolette (sp?) swings, 15 wall balls, 100 jumps (jump rope). Meh.

This afternoon sparred 45 minutes with Matt. I sucked!! Ridiculous. As we were leaving he said, “Good job, Parker.” I said, “I did NOT do a good job, I was useless today.”

He grinned. “You were good because you didn’t quit, and let’s face it you had every reason to!”

I managed to get my GF to skip a couple of college classes so I would have time to go to the gym today (my hobbies are much much more important than her future :slight_smile: soooooooooo

Day 2!
I arrived early, so I could sign up for the classes. I took care of that, got dressed, and watched some pre-class sparring. Than the instructor suggested I roll with his nephew, apparently a fairly high belt, but again, a bit on the portly side (euphemism!). We started rolling, and I found myself more or less kicking his butt. He would pull guard and go for a guillotine, but I would either push his leg down and pass to half, or to side control. Again, I found it fairly easy to get into mount, but like last class I had trouble finishing. I know I got one sub on him, but I forget what it was, although im fairly certain it was an armbar. I felt prettttttttty cool. He probably had 50 lbs on me.

Class started the same, warmed up, did some pad work, than got into technique. We started with a throw (he told us the Japanese name, but it escapes me at the moment, sorry) which I quickly got very comfortable with. It was an overhook, than we’de step through on the side we had the overhook on, than sweep the legs. My partener, a very rather bulky guy, was having less luck. Next we did some overhook and underhook stuff from our back, get the over or under, push the head away, get your hips away and put the leg on the side of the hook high on his back.

He didn’t show any finishes for it, but it was not a long stretch to armbar from the position. Next we did some over-complex move where we were in side control with his elbow blocking our legs, than we’de hip heist, get past the elbow, lift him up, and swing all the way around for an arm bar. I worked it slow many times, but never really got a solid feel for it. I’ll work on it more later.

Part two: Randori!!!
I started with a smaller mexican guy, who was probably the first guy ive seen there at my weight. After more or less dominating him on top (passing guard rather quick, getting mount, pausing and waiting because I dont know how to finish from mount, you guys know the story) so I decided to pull guard and work from there. He was not able to pass my guard, and I was controlling his head well (something I did little to none of in my first class) and felt like I did good. I didn’t get any submissions off my back, but I did sweep him on one occasion.

Next I rolled with, from what I can tell, is the best guy in the class. He was the same guy I rolled with second in my first class, and he is a VERY nice guy and was willing to work and show me a lot of stuff. I took DJpuppychow’s, or whatever his name is, advice and every time he caught me in a submission (very often) I would have him show me what it was, how he got it, and how he would counter it. By the end of our rolling session, I was doing much better. Again, I started with my top game, and than twards the end was pulling guard. If I keep my guard closed, he had trouble passing it, but if I opened up and went for a sub, he was able to pass. I tried not to stay conservative, and went for subs anyway.

Next I rolled with the instructor. Hes slow, but is big, and knows what hes doing. However, he got a little on my nerves, as instead of showing me what I was doing wrong, he’d rather bitch about how im too young and energetic to roll with him (he cant be more than 45). Sigh sigh, oh well. On one occasion, I was able to take his back, but was unable to finish.

That was it for the class (they are only an hour long) but I stayed after and worked with the second guy I worked with again (I forget hisss name, sorry braw, you’re a cool guy, im just bad with names :slight_smile: I asked him to show me some basic finishes from the mount, for obvious reasons, and he showed me an armbar, and he showed me controlling the arm, putting it under ma belly, or if its high putting it under his chin, laying on it, than working for an arm triangle. I am looking forward to using them.

Then we rolled again. This time I did much better. He caught me in a couple of stupid subs, and showed me very easy ways to get out of them. I would pull guard and was able to hold him there, and went for a kimura. I was kinda close, but than he got my other arm behind my back, and I was unable to do much. On our last go, I pulled guard, and looked for an omoplata. This is something I would like to bring up. I know its an advanced move, but right now it fells VERY comfortable for me. If he fends it off right away, no problem, I can usually get back into guard.

If I get the leg up high or over his head, and he rolls over, I am able to get to side control. However, on this particular go, I was able to get it over his head, and had it in pretty deep. I could tell he was losing oxygen, i figured he would tap, but i guess he really didnt want me to sub him, so he got out. He kept my other leg down, so I couldnt get leverage with it, but I was still VERY happy that I was so close to submitting the best guy in the class. I’m going to keep going for the omoplata, and see where it takes me. I can see it as a setup for other submissions, sweeps, or the omo itself. I understand the argument against somebody as new as me using it, but im goniug to stick with whats working and whats feeling comfortable.

Afterwards I talked to him for a while, and found out he used to go the the Judo Dojo that my really good friend used to go to (was a national champion, PAN AM, now is in chicago at a very renowned dojo there) and that was cool. It was funny, because the guy commented on how good said friend’s uchi matta was, and thats the only judo move i know, and i learned it from my friend. This is for sure the guy ill be sticking with at classes, hes very nice, is very knowledable, and doesnt have the ego. One last thing I would like to mention, is that after only one day, my cardio was SIGNIFICANTLY better. I was only really tired on one occasion, and that wasnt because I was gonig slow and not pushing myself.

TL;DR I beat the devil in a fiddle-off, and as a reward I got a lifetime supply of Jujubes (best candy)

Well, I finally did something resembling combat sports the other day. I set up my portable heavy bag in the basement and got in a nice hour workout. Did a few rounds of rope skipping and shadowboxing to warm up, then did some rounds on the bag with the 16-oz. gloves. From there I put the MMA gloves on, removed the bag from the stand and worked some ground-and-pound drills.

Felt good to work my punches and kicks again. My flexibility on my kicks is much-improved thanks to going to my weekly Yoga class.

It’s looking like I might be able to start training in an actual gym come December as my work schedule opens up a bit, hoping it provides enough of a window for me to train somewhere at least 2 times a week.

Awesome, Djwlfpack! I know you must be feeling so good right now, you’ve been wanting that for a long time. Good move on keeping flexible with yoga, I think I’ll follow your example & do some today.

Did some “educational training” last night instead of physical training, & went on my ride-along with my cop friend. Austin’s criminals are extremely lazy. There was just no crime last night, and we were really looking for some! I used to think that if you see several cop cars at a traffic stop that it was an indication that something really serious was happening. Now I know that maybe the cops were just bored, so they all showed up to have something to do.

I’m going to try again another night.

My physical training is going exceptionally poorly right now. It’s like brain is turned off & my body won’t cooperate. An old coach of mine said when you hit a period like that to keep drilling the basics over & over & over until you come out the other side, so that’s what I’m doing. Today I’m shadowboxing & working hooks to the bag.

Went to my first BJJ class yesterday, after my weightlifting training. It was really fun, and I think I found a MA that fits me. (At least much better than, say, Aikido or TKD)

Only issue I have with it is that I don’t think I’d want to roll around with anyone on the ground outside a bar, with broken bottles and their friends standing by to kick me in the head.

Still fun though, I think I’ll stick with it for at least 6 months, and then re-evaluate. (I subbed another white belt when we rolled at the end of class :D:D Though I’m pretty sure he took it easy on me.)

[quote]ZeroSleep wrote:
Went to my first BJJ class yesterday, after my weightlifting training. It was really fun, and I think I found a MA that fits me. (At least much better than, say, Aikido or TKD)

Only issue I have with it is that I don’t think I’d want to roll around with anyone on the ground outside a bar, with broken bottles and their friends standing by to kick me in the head.

Still fun though, I think I’ll stick with it for at least 6 months, and then re-evaluate. (I subbed another white belt when we rolled at the end of class :D:D Though I’m pretty sure he took it easy on me.)[/quote]

All the Jiu-Jitsu guys I know who’ve defended themselves in a real situation, they never hit the ground. 3 rear naked chokes from standing and a standing wrist lock.

I like it too, used to do TKD as well.

And thanks for the kind works a dozen or so posts ago, Ms. Parker and KMCNYC.

These last three posts have sparked a thought worth discussing in it’s own thread. Keep ya eyes open.

BJJ tonight. Worked on breaking down guard, side mount, passing guard, mounting, etc. Lot more girls in class tonight (which is perfectly fine with me haha) and it was their first time, so we did drills we had done before, which is fine with me, working on basics is good. Did conditioning drills (up/downs, hitting pads, bags, etc.) We got to wear the gloves today. Everyone got to use the MMA gloves except me, because of my hand size and small gloves available, so I used 16oz boxing gloves.

We then worked on single leg takedown (which I sucked at) and double leg (which I did better because I could pick the guy up and put him on the ground). We did single leg takedowns two weeks ago and I couldn’t quite get it then, so that’s something I need more practice at.

Did live sparring the last 15 minutes of class, and I got submitted every time by guys half my size, so I didn’t fare so well today. Four different guys told me at four different times that I’m not using my weight enough, and that if I would have used my weight I would have done better. I think I am more focused on getting my technique down and not using my weight as leverage. One guy called me Marcus Jones, because I don’t know my own strength haha. Good session overall.

Had to skip the past couple of Mondays of kickboxing/muay thai due to school work, and will have to miss the next couple of weeks as well. I think Mondays might be a wash for me in terms of attendance, and I know next semester I have class Monday nights during class, so I will just focus my efforts on BJJ.

Need HELP:

I use defrancos ws4sb 3-days per week without DE lower.

My problem is the max effort lower day:

A max deadlift
B db reverse lunge 3sets 10reps
C hamstring/pc excercise

my problem is after the max deadlifts I’m not able to do any of the mentioned hamstring/pc excercises because of my lower back.

I have only a powerrack at home, so I can’t do GHR, rev. hypers etc…

I want to stay with the deadlift as my max excercise because I love it and it helps me a lot in getting stronger for MMA.