Only now i noticed that i should do military press while standing. My whole life i did it seated on a bench with back support.
Should i change to standing military press?
If yes, i wont handle the weights im using now (lack of core and leg stability), so will my shoulder development will be hindered?
5/3/1 has the standing press as a main movement in nearly all templates. Unless you can’t do it standing for injury reasons, do it. It is vastly superior to seated.
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
Only now i noticed that i should do military press while standing. My whole life i did it seated on a bench with back support.
Should i change to standing military press?
If yes, i wont handle the weights im using now (lack of core and leg stability), so will my shoulder development will be hindered?
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No if wont. Only thing that will happen is that you will become awesome.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
Only now i noticed that i should do military press while standing. My whole life i did it seated on a bench with back support.
Should i change to standing military press?
If yes, i wont handle the weights im using now (lack of core and leg stability), so will my shoulder development will be hindered?
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No if wont. Only thing that will happen is that you will become awesome.
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I mean, my core stability will have to catch up with my pressing strength. How long will it take?
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
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Unless you have been doing no free weight movements involving your core, and subsequently have a corw made of half-set jelly, it should not take long at all.
If anything, your shoulder development may increase due to being more upright during the movement. Seated shoulder presses usually turn into high-incline bench.
Stand up and work hard.
Thanks for advice! Weights in the beginning of 5/3/1 is not that big, so i think core would not get a lot of beating 
And should i use a belt?
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
And should i use a belt?[/quote]
No. Some people might say to use a belt on your heaviest sets, but I think you should go light enough that you don’t need a belt. If you are going so heavy that you have to lean back and use a belt, then you are not getting the full benefit of the military press. The military press is not just great, for your shoulders, but it is also great for your posture, and for your core. If you lean back excessively then you lose some of those benefits. I think it’s important to use submaximal weight and practice good form for the military press. I’m sure some people will disagree, but that’s the way I train it.
Don’t major in the minors, just fucking stand up and press. Sooner or later you will catch up, and if you don’t like Jim said you won’t be “Awesome”
If one’s main goal is shoulder development, then the seated press is probably better. But in the context of 5/3/1, you should be doing it standing for the other benefits that the standing version provides. As far as your concern about core strength…you can always do ab and lower back work on any of your training days. I like doing ab wheel and good mornings on deadlift day. I do stiff-leg deadlifts on squat day.
[quote]Randy Tongue wrote:
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
And should i use a belt?[/quote]
No. Some people might say to use a belt on your heaviest sets, but I think you should go light enough that you don’t need a belt. If you are going so heavy that you have to lean back and use a belt, then you are not getting the full benefit of the military press. The military press is not just great, for your shoulders, but it is also great for your posture, and for your core. If you lean back excessively then you lose some of those benefits. I think it’s important to use submaximal weight and practice good form for the military press. I’m sure some people will disagree, but that’s the way I train it.[/quote]
so… if you use a belt you have to lean back? I want some of whatever you are smoking. Also, if by “some people will disagree” you mean “anyone who wants to compete at strongman” or “anyone who maintains proper form while lifting heavy”, then yes, you are absolutely correct.
[quote]Zoro wrote:
[quote]Randy Tongue wrote:
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
And should i use a belt?[/quote]
No. Some people might say to use a belt on your heaviest sets, but I think you should go light enough that you don’t need a belt. If you are going so heavy that you have to lean back and use a belt, then you are not getting the full benefit of the military press. The military press is not just great, for your shoulders, but it is also great for your posture, and for your core. If you lean back excessively then you lose some of those benefits. I think it’s important to use submaximal weight and practice good form for the military press. I’m sure some people will disagree, but that’s the way I train it.[/quote]
so… if you use a belt you have to lean back? I want some of whatever you are smoking. Also, if by “some people will disagree” you mean “anyone who wants to compete at strongman” or “anyone who maintains proper form while lifting heavy”, then yes, you are absolutely correct.[/quote]
I’m not saying that you have to lean back if you wear a belt, but there is not much point in wearing one if you aren’t leaning back. People in strongman competitions are going for max reps, so of course there will be form breakdown in that example. Also strongmen often use the belt to help them clean the axle into position. You do not have to wear a belt to military press heavy. There are many lifters with very strong military presses that don’t wear a belt.
If you want to wear a belt, wear one. It won’t make one bit of difference. What absolutely baffles me is why you haven’t been doing a ton of lower back and ab work since you started training. There is NO WAY this hasn’t been addressed and made important to you since the day you began training. No way. So do things right - do the back raises and leg raises, weighted planks, sit-ups, etc. It amazes me how little this is emphasized and how it is 100% responsible for the strength on most movements.
Be strong in the middle - you have ZERO excuses for not doing this. None.
I don’t know how to link a video, but here’s a link of an oly lifter showing what you should already be doing:
The man makes my 45 lb plate look pathetic…
…I new goal in life.
[quote]some_dude wrote:
The man makes my 45 lb plate look pathetic…
…I new goal in life.[/quote]
Think about it this way - this should be the NORM for lifters. Instead it is the exception.
And people fucking cry when they can’t figure out why their squat or deadlift can’t go up and they can’t even do a back raise with 135 pounds.
You are a smart man, Canada. Your goal is very wise.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
What absolutely baffles me is why you haven’t been doing a ton of lower back and ab work since you started training.[/quote]
I have postural problems (hyper lordosis) and don’t know how to fix it. So i was afraid to do lots of lower back work thinking i will fuck up my posture even more
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
What absolutely baffles me is why you haven’t been doing a ton of lower back and ab work since you started training.[/quote]
I have postural problems (hyper lordosis) and don’t know how to fix it. So i was afraid to do lots of lower back work thinking i will fuck up my posture even more[/quote]
Postural problems are caused 99% of muscle imbalances and tightness. You should work on these. Hyperlordosis is often caused also by these problems (if not, see a doctor).
You MUST be doing “core”-work (abs + lower back), Good abs helps with hyperlordosis as well.
You MUST be doing mobility work daily. My hips and pelvic area would be destroyed by now without daily mobility routines I have been doing about a year now.
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
What absolutely baffles me is why you haven’t been doing a ton of lower back and ab work since you started training.[/quote]
I have postural problems (hyper lordosis) and don’t know how to fix it. So i was afraid to do lots of lower back work thinking i will fuck up my posture even more[/quote]
I’ve got scoliosis and you don’t fix it - it is a structural issue - you just improve it. You should be doing MORE lower back AND ab training. Use lighter weights and higher reps, Jim makes the point repeatedly about light weight and form for good mornings - you should be using this advice. Learn some yoga poses to help relieve any tightness. This is all advice found in Jim’s books and the forums - so read his books.
If you ever think your back is limiting you, google Lamar Gant and then stop jacking off and go do some deadlifts. Here is a picture of him - if your back is more crooked than his, I feel for you.
And here is a link to a picture book of yoga poses that address body parts.
[quote]Rattus wrote:
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
What absolutely baffles me is why you haven’t been doing a ton of lower back and ab work since you started training.[/quote]
I have postural problems (hyper lordosis) and don’t know how to fix it. So i was afraid to do lots of lower back work thinking i will fuck up my posture even more[/quote]
Postural problems are caused 99% of muscle imbalances and tightness. You should work on these. Hyperlordosis is often caused also by these problems (if not, see a doctor).
You MUST be doing “core”-work (abs + lower back), Good abs helps with hyperlordosis as well.
You MUST be doing mobility work daily. My hips and pelvic area would be destroyed by now without daily mobility routines I have been doing about a year now. [/quote]
I know that it’s fault of muscle imbalances. And i know which ones to stretch which ones to strengthen. Problem is, i can’t feel the stretch properly. No matter what i do. And some sources say, that stretching won’t help, because muscle is tight for a reason. It compensates something. Some movements may help, but i don’t know more about that.
Is there any full mobility routine? I know defranco’s agile 8, but it doesn’t involve upper body.
[quote]bartmann wrote:
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
What absolutely baffles me is why you haven’t been doing a ton of lower back and ab work since you started training.[/quote]
I have postural problems (hyper lordosis) and don’t know how to fix it. So i was afraid to do lots of lower back work thinking i will fuck up my posture even more[/quote]
I’ve got scoliosis and you don’t fix it - it is a structural issue - you just improve it. You should be doing MORE lower back AND ab training. Use lighter weights and higher reps, Jim makes the point repeatedly about light weight and form for good mornings - you should be using this advice. Learn some yoga poses to help relieve any tightness. This is all advice found in Jim’s books and the forums - so read his books.
If you ever think your back is limiting you, google Lamar Gant and then stop jacking off and go do some deadlifts. Here is a picture of him - if your back is more crooked than his, I feel for you.
And here is a link to a picture book of yoga poses that address body parts.
http://www.amazon.com/B-K-S-Iyengar-Yoga-Holistic-Health/dp/1465415831
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I have scoliosis too, but now i was talking about lordosis. Yoga is good idea, will take a look at that. I know lamar grant - he’s amazing. Who said i’m jacking off? Who said i don’t deadlift? I love doing all 4 main lifts heavy. Maybe even too heavy, that’s why 5/3/1 is weird for me (small percentages)