[quote]brauny96 wrote:
if this is in the bench shirt, then maybe you shoudld do raw for a while[/quote]
The first thing he said was:
“I bench around 295 without a shirt”…
[quote]Ryan71 wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
You are obviously strong (but then again you can say anything on the internet), [/quote]
wtf
[quote]BlackLabel wrote:
Ryan71 wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
You are obviously strong (but then again you can say anything on the internet),
wtf
[/quote]
When I read that I actually said, “Bitch please” out loud.
You can say anything on the internet but you can also post videos showing how much of a bamf you are. And meat does the latter.
real talk
[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
BlackLabel wrote:
Ryan71 wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
You are obviously strong (but then again you can say anything on the internet),
wtf
When I read that I actually said, “Bitch please” out loud.
You can say anything on the internet but you can also post videos showing how much of a bamf you are. And meat does the latter.
real talk[/quote]
x3
Seriously, he must not get around these forums much to have never seen one of Meat’s videos.
raw bench 365x2 touch and go/no bounce
incline bench 275x2-3
seated milt press 185x4 (today)… think I have done 205x2-3 in the past
pretty big differences for me, but the milt press and the incline bp are more isolation for me whereas everything is pushing on a flat bench.
[quote]bigNasty_ wrote:
stick to 1board, 2board, and close grip bench for your max effort stuff. change the DE day to repetition day as others have said and work on technique.[/quote]
Going heavy on close grips bothers my elbows.
[quote]BlackLabel wrote:
If you wanna stick to Westside, then take out the DE day. Replace it with a Repitition day, doing higher reps, (id say 8-12). You can use a bar, dumbbells, or both. Do that for a month or so, or until your bench goes up, and report back.[/quote]
I never got the idea of replacing a speed day with a repetition day.
Meat, I don’t believe that is you in those videos.
Please post a new video, with you benching topless (so I know you aren’t wearing a cheater shirt), and write “I heart PMPM” on your chest.
Now we’ll see who’s for reals.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
BlackLabel wrote:
Ryan71 wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
You are obviously strong (but then again you can say anything on the internet),
wtf
When I read that I actually said, “Bitch please” out loud.
You can say anything on the internet but you can also post videos showing how much of a bamf you are. And meat does the latter.
real talk
x3
Seriously, he must not get around these forums much to have never seen one of Meat’s videos.
[/quote]
x4. Dr. Meat gains strength from eating Interwebzes chumps for breakfast.
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
Meat, I don’t believe that is you in those videos.
Please post a new video, with you benching topless (so I know you aren’t wearing a cheater shirt), and write “I heart PMPM” on your chest.
Now we’ll see who’s for reals.
[/quote]
i could shave it into my chest. i don’t think you could read it through all my wool:)
remember though… the true internet experts are totally anonymous. i think there expertise is in direct proportion to their anonymity.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Ryan71 wrote:
dude… what the fuck are you smoking?? you keep talking about this original question. do i need some special decoder ring or something? the first question, again is-
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That’s what you get MM, you should’ve just told him to Fuck off.
RYAN/OP
If the guy is trying to improve his bench and he’s using Standing/or even sitting military press then he’s obviously lost track of his goal. This is very popular amount young lifters and novices. Most people who’ve been lifting 20 years realize that they work 2 different muscle groups and if you want them to increase you would focus on them and accessory lifts to improve them.
Primary movers in the bench are chest → triceps-> shoulders. If your shoulders are fairly strong or gaining in strength and your bench isn’t going up then OBVIOUSLY shoulders aren’t your weak point. To increase a compound lift you need to increase your weak links. Work exercises that build tricep and chest strength I’m sure Meat can tell you a few.
As far as his shoulders go, it’s not JUST years of benching that destroy it, years of benching with bad technique, years of over exerting one muscle and under utilizing another. I disagree with you Meat and Ryan that just doing standing military presses will balance you enough to prevent benching injuries, but injury prevention is an unperfected art anyway… at least imho.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
Ryan71 wrote:
dude… what the fuck are you smoking?? you keep talking about this original question. do i need some special decoder ring or something? the first question, again is-
That’s what you get MM, you should’ve just told him to Fuck off.
RYAN/OP
If the guy is trying to improve his bench and he’s using Standing/or even sitting military press then he’s obviously lost track of his goal. This is very popular amount young lifters and novices. Most people who’ve been lifting 20 years realize that they work 2 different muscle groups and if you want them to increase you would focus on them and accessory lifts to improve them.
Primary movers in the bench are chest → triceps-> shoulders. If your shoulders are fairly strong or gaining in strength and your bench isn’t going up then OBVIOUSLY shoulders aren’t your weak point. To increase a compound lift you need to increase your weak links. Work exercises that build tricep and chest strength I’m sure Meat can tell you a few.
As far as his shoulders go, it’s not JUST years of benching that destroy it, years of benching with bad technique, years of over exerting one muscle and under utilizing another. I disagree with you Meat and Ryan that just doing standing military presses will balance you enough to prevent benching injuries, but injury prevention is an unperfected art anyway… at least imho.
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All that I asked about was the correlation between the bench press and the military press. A few people here with basic reading comprehension skills and IQ totals of more than 85 answered my question, others like you give me pompous lectures about my shoulder health…
This is the question I saw, so I stand corrected (it wasn’t the original question). I can admit when I’m wrong. My reply about saying what you want on the internet is not directed at you specifically, I was just saying anyone can say they lift whatever amount without any proof. I’ve never read any of your posts before, so I wasn’t familiar with you or your accomplishments. At least your avatar isn’t a picture of yourself taken with a cell phone standing in front of a mirror with your shirt off. To the others, sorry but I don’t spend all day on the internet posting like some of you due to job and family responsibilities (which is why this response was so delayed).
I was merely offering my opinion based on the obvious strength imbalance between his overhead press and bench. That is the angle I was coming from. I am quite familiar with anatomy/kinesiology so I know what exercises work what muscles. If he wants to do specific work for his benching agonist muscles that is fine, just like if you want to disagree with me. I’m just pointing out that down the line, he will probably develop problems if he doesn’t bring up his overhead press (and eventually his bench would probably go up). The rest of you can carry on the conversation.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I disagree with you Meat and Ryan that just doing standing military presses will balance you enough to prevent benching injuries, but injury prevention is an unperfected art anyway… at least imho.
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come on man… don’t go putting words in my mouth. what i said was-
“i agree that the strict standing military press is important for balanced development, but that wasn’t what he was asking.”
i didn’t say anything about preventing injuries. it’s one of many different movements that should be done for overall development. injury prevention is a totally different discussion.
this is an example of why arguements start on the internet. people don’t remember exactly what is said or they get in a hurry when reading someone’s post because they want to respond. i make a habit of reading a person’s post many times before i responds as to not misinterpret.
(the following said in a thick Italian/ Bronx accent) “Duh… hey Boss, you want I should teach 'dis guy a ting or two 'bout respect… hey Boss? Whaddya say…?”
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
this is an example of why arguements start on the internet. people don’t remember exactly what is said or they get in a hurry when reading someone’s post because they want to respond. i make a habit of reading a person’s post many times before i responds as to not misinterpret.
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Meat, I disagree with you here.
I actually think people read a post and try as hard as possible to find something to disagree with, even if it means twisting someone’s words around.
And a 520 Raw Bench? C’mon, seriously? You probably wore wrist wraps while doing that. Those will add 75lbs easy. Internet lifts…
[quote]hangclean wrote:
I have yet to see someone struggling with their bench that did not benefit from heavy tricep work. Even if you think your triceps are not a weak point, they need to be stronger. Heavy close grip board presses with bands/chains, weighted push-ups, etc.[/quote]
Hmmm… I doubt a lot of raw benchers would agree with you there. There’s NO correlation between my 3 board press and raw full range bench because the bar never makes it there. What’s the point in having cock strong triceps if the bar doesn’t move more than 3 inches?
FTR, my best lifts are;
Military Press: 141lb x7
Bench: 310lb x4
How’s THAT for a gap?
[quote]Hanley wrote:
FTR, my best lifts are;
Military Press: 141lb x7
Bench: 310lb x4
How’s THAT for a gap?[/quote]
you must not have well balanced shoulders.
you are DEFINITELY going to get injured…tomorrow.
you know the rule- your military press should be 77.3864% of your raw full ROM bench on a tuesday with a full moon. if not, well, you aren’t doing someth’n right bro.
[quote]Modi wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
this is an example of why arguements start on the internet. people don’t remember exactly what is said or they get in a hurry when reading someone’s post because they want to respond. i make a habit of reading a person’s post many times before i responds as to not misinterpret.
Meat, I disagree with you here.
I actually think people read a post and try as hard as possible to find something to disagree with, even if it means twisting someone’s words around.
And a 520 Raw Bench? C’mon, seriously? You probably wore wrist wraps while doing that. Those will add 75lbs easy. Internet lifts…[/quote]
screw you man. you are as much a cheater as i am.
and an even bigger whore.