Hey Smitty88, Berardi wrote this article for you.
That’s actually a really good article that just about everybody on this site (including myself) should read, there is something we can all take from it.
[quote]piper1 wrote:
Smitty, every once in a while you have something valuable to say, but most of the time you seem to lurk around looking for posters to slam. If you used a little more tact in your responses people might actually pay attention. Who cares what different people might call it, the guy wants to know if it is something that might be good to add to his training.[/quote]
But it is foolish to act like you have discovered something that has been around for a very long time. If that fact has escaped you, you need to rethink your position. I’m not going to slap someone on the back for this nonsense.
Now go post something that will actually help someone.
[quote]brushga wrote:
Hey Smitty88, Berardi wrote this article for you.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1270720[/quote]
Oh goody we’re going to trade links. Here’s one for you by the owner of T-Nation:
Max Stim is a program with many variations of different programs and techniques such as rest/pause/hst/hd/clustering, etc. without actually “being” specifically any individual one. It is meant to be a program that affords one the opportunity to do more work than he normally would be able to do with straight sets and incur less fatigue allowing for a maximum of muscle engagement over time. Dan has put a lot of thought and research into this project and I think it may prove very interesting. I have not tried it myself yet but am hoping to this winter. It’s too new to have a jury verdict yet but I guess nothing is too new to have strong opinions on.
Smitty, after receiving your PM I realize you are just a self righteous asshole. You’re not on this site to learn anything or to help anyone else learn anything, you are here to make yourself feel better by trying to put others down, but you just make yourself look stupid. You’re nothing but a little worm with an inferiority complex.
The guy that started this thread was not looking for a pat on the back because he invented a new training system, he found something new to him and wanted to know if it would be beneficial. I know your type, you’re a little weasel, you are a cancer to this website, go somewhere else punk.
Mike Mentzer’s rest/pause, simply put, no comparison to Max-Stim as Mike used all out 1RM reps, with a rest of 10-15 seconds between but only did around 5 reps and at times dropped the load on the last rep if he needed too.
I think this guy just doesn’t know what rest pause is/is a moron.
“Mike Mentzer used magic to lift a 1RM 15 seconds after lifting a 1RM - this is not max-stim!”
Any training that uses increased rest between reps in order to use more weight is rest pause.
Also, any program using solely rest pause is a terrible program, so he’s not on to anything new by using different special methods.
I have tried it, I do not think it is practical for some lifts.
I gave it a try with squats, and after I while I realized it was dangerous to constantly walk the bar into and out of the rack to avoid “fatigue” as he recommends, especially if you are using any real weight.
[quote]Willus wrote:
I have tried it, I do not think it is practical for some lifts.
I gave it a try with squats, and after I while I realized it was dangerous to constantly walk the bar into and out of the rack to avoid “fatigue” as he recommends, especially if you are using any real weight.
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I definitely agree with you on this point. Squats are no a go with this method. But Trap Bar Deadlift/Squats can substitute.
[quote]piper1 wrote:
Smitty, after receiving your PM I realize you are just a self righteous asshole. [/quote]
I think you made a mistake and looked in the mirror at the wrong time.
And you’re on this site to brag about your 16 year old kid.
One word for that Daddy: PATHETIC!
Thanks for confirming the fact that you’re a fucking retard.
My pm to you was meant to point you in the right direction in terms of your self righteous attitude.
In other words, you are NOT the T-Nation security force. And hence you do not have the authority to act like it. But, so far that has not stopped your little tirade.
Maybe you don’t have enough power in your real life (that would be non-Internet in case you don’t get it:)
Playing the tough guy here does what for you?
No shit moron. But the point which of course is well over your head, is that what he was talking about is REST/PAUSE.
And after I made my comment, which was brief, you jumped in. Now we have a thread with you and I arguing on it.
DUH!
Do you think you made this thread better asshole?
Think again.
I get it, so if someone begins a thread and says, I just discovered something new called “doing a rep until you can’t move the weight.” Does that mean that no one should tell him that that particular technique is called “training to failure?”
You very simple fuck!
Those are strong words from a person on the Internet. Oh that’s right I forgot all Internet cowards do their best work anonymously.
You’re a great example for your son.
[quote]andy bumphren wrote:
Mike Mentzer’s rest/pause, simply put, no comparison to Max-Stim as Mike used all out 1RM reps, with a rest of 10-15 seconds between but only did around 5 reps and at times dropped the load on the last rep if he needed too.
I think this guy just doesn’t know what rest pause is/is a moron.
“Mike Mentzer used magic to lift a 1RM 15 seconds after lifting a 1RM - this is not max-stim!”
Any training that uses increased rest between reps in order to use more weight is rest pause.
Also, any program using solely rest pause is a terrible program, so he’s not on to anything new by using different special methods.[/quote]
Is this rest/pause in your opinion?
“This method usually involves using near maximum loads. Quite simply, the lifter does one rep of a heavy load and then racks the weight (or sets it down). He then rests 10 to 15 seconds and does another one, whereupon he rests another 10 to 15 seconds.
This is repeated until 4 or 5 reps have been done. If the lifter can’t lift the weight for a third, fourth, or fifth time, his spotter helps him out.
Generally, only one set is performed, but as many as 3 or 4 exercises can be done (for that body part).
People who follow this method believe that by working close to your maximum weight, you make the most gains.”
On just about every thread your involved in you get into it with someone, and they all say pretty much the same thing to you. I’ve been involved in one disagreement in 4 years of being on this site and that was with you.
As far as my son is concerned I do not brag on him, I have used my experience with him sometimes to help others his age. By the way, most fathers are proud of their sons, I feel sorry for your dad. You are the guy hiding behind his keyboard that started talking tough first.
Hmmm
After rereading the first 3 posts I agree that Smitty is a dick.
Your first post was a blatant attempt to show how much more experienced and intelligent you are compared the creator of this thread.
But I guess I’d better be careful what I say since you, like most people on the internet, are bigger than me, stronger than me, have a 6% bodyfat, and can whoop a silver back gorilla.
It’s posts like Smitty’s that remind me why I steer clear of the T-Nation message board.
[quote]piper1 wrote:
On just about every thread your involved in you get into it with someone, and they all say pretty much the same thing to you.[/quote]
T-Nation is NOT a back slapping contest. I could easily say that you kiss everyones ass, but I won’t. Sometimes I agree with the poster, sometimes I disagree.
Here is someone from another thread who thanked me for helping:
"jtrinsey
10/17/06
10:01 AM
Smitty,
I appreciate the contribution you made to this thread and the time it took you to list all of those. I’ll certainly check those out."
You remember that thread. It’s the one where you disagreed with me and carried that grudge over to this thread, you child.
And that proves what? That you are quiet when someone say’s something that is erroneous? You think that helps people?
Yet, you came after me because you carried a grudge over from another thread. I’d call that immature behavior on your part. And it in no way helped this thread. In fact, YOU helped drag it down-good job.
“My 16 year old weighs 170 and benches 245 for 5 sets of 5.”
Bla, bla, bla, We are all soooo impressed we just don’t know what to do. Maybe fathers across the country will just stop training their own sons because no one could ever do it better than you.
lol
Think again Einstein.
This is what I said:
"You just discovered “rest pause.”
It’s only been around for maybe 60+ years."
Sarcastic? Yes. Talking like a tough guy? No. Do you know the difference? If you don’t all you have to do is go back to the post that you wrote before this one. The one where YOU began the name calling.
You also could have chosen to respond to my previous post regarding rest/pause if you really wanted to have a serious debate and actually help someone, but you chose to further your little grudge.
Grow up man.
[quote]Mule359 wrote:
Hmmm
After rereading the first 3 posts I agree that Smitty is a dick.
Your first post was a blatant attempt to show how much more experienced and intelligent you are compared the creator of this thread.
But I guess I’d better be careful what I say since you, like most people on the internet, are bigger than me, stronger than me, have a 6% bodyfat, and can whoop a silver back gorilla.
It’s posts like Smitty’s that remind me why I steer clear of the T-Nation message board.[/quote]
Actually, my frist post was sarcastic. Why? Because the original poster was (and probably still is) clueless as to what rest/pause is. And I get a little tired of people thinking that they just created the wheel. There are certain techniques that have been around for a very long time. You can call them a different name but that doesn’t change a thing.
I was right in posting what I did, and you and the cry baby piper can either like it or lump it, I don’t care either way.
Will I use sarcasm in the future to point out the obvious. YOU BET I WILL!
It’s people like Mule that remind me why I like T-Nation so much. The easily offended and the T deficient don’t usually hang around long, and for that I’m thankful.
Bye Mule, run along and enjoy the Jane Fonda aerobics site, Hopefully no one will use sarcasm over there.
Let me help you out, here’s the link:
LOL enjoy.
Quote"It’s people like Mule that remind me why I like T-Nation so much. The easily offended and the T deficient don’t usually hang around long, and for that I’m thankful." How would you know, you joined this site two months ago. The thread where that guy thanked you was for posting a list of other options other then the DeFranco bar, I am the one that asked you to post that list. I am not following you around, we’ve posted back and forth on two threads, thats all.
On the Defranco thread I kept it very civil, was just not in agreement with you, just like pretty much every one else on that thread. What struck me was how you responded to people with such an attitude like everyone else is an idiot. Then I saw this thread and the first thing I see is smitty slamming someone for asking a valid question. You still are not getting the point of this thread, the guy didn’t say I reinvented how to work out, or I came up with a new training program, he said he read an article and wanted to know what others thought.
You seem to know a lot on the subject and still havn’t given an opinion other than you think he’s an idiot for calling rest/pause max stim. Many have posted that they are not the same, if you have knowledge to help someone why don’t you help us all out, after all, that is why I read this website usually, to learn. I personally have never heard either term, max stim or rest/pause and I’m intersted to see what people have to say.
[quote]piper1 wrote:
The thread where that guy thanked you was for posting a list of other options other then the DeFranco bar, I am the one that asked you to post that list. I am not following you around, we’ve posted back and forth on two threads, thats all. [/quote]
I agree. But, the previous thread you disagreed with me. When I provided a list of good quality bars you didn’t say much. But I do think you carried that grudge over to this thread, and over reacted. As evidenced by your lack of ability to talk about this thread topic. But you have no problem attacking me personally.
I think you posted five times on this thread and four of them were attacking me. How is that beneficial to anyone?
Yes, without looking back at that thread I believe you were civil, as was I.
I don’t mind standing alone if I think I’m right. And I’m right about the protein bars. And I’m right about rest/pause.
I don’t think message boards convey feeling very well. And I can see how you might interpret some things I wrote that way. But, as I have already told you, I’m not going to sugar coat anything. If someone thinks they’ve found the holy grail and it turns out to be rest/pause under a different name, I’m calling them on it.
And, I really don’t think you are an idiot. In fact, I feel like I should apologize for that crack about bragging about your son. That was probably not needed. But then again, I had just read your post where you called me, hmm…I forget how many names.
You not only began the banter between us, but you also escalated it to the point of name calling. Can you at least see that much?
He specifically said “what do you think?”
I told him.
I used sarcasm to point out the obvious. You don’t like sarcasm? Then I suggest you stop reading my posts. I think that will solve the problem. But, if you do read my posts try not to attack me when I am addressing the issue at hand, with sarcasm. You don’t help the thread or yourself that way. That’s what I tried to tell you in the PM, which only infuriated you further.
I guess I’m not a diplomat- lol
For the record let’s take a look at what he did say, exactly:
"Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass wieghts with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yestaerday and had a blast.
What doyou think?"
See that last sentence? “He wanted to know what others thought.” I told him what I thought.
You don’t like what I told him.
So you felt obligated to attack me.
Now here we are several posts later. No closer to an understanding, on this thread, of the actual topic, although I have tried to steer it back.
What did you prove by all this?
Nada.
Basically, I have the right to give any sort of honest critique that I wanted, since he asked “what do you guys think.”
Yet, if we all step back and take a breath I never once asked you what you thought about my comment. You took it upon yourself to play the thread police and attack me. So in reality it’s you that is out of line.
First of all I never called him and idiot. I used sarcasm to let him know that max stim is in fact rest/pause under a different name.
Secondly, I did comment three posts ago. I asked a poster if the lengthy definition that I posted was, in his opinion, rest/pause. He never answered. Nor did you comment on my long definition. Do you want to stay on the topic or just keep attacking me for my sarcasm toward the original poster? You seem to be answering this question with each post that you make.
[quote] if you have knowledge to help someone why don’t you help us all out, after all, that is why I read this website usually, to learn. I personally have never heard either term, max stim or rest/pause and I’m intersted to see what people have to say.
[/quote]
As I just stated, I did comment two posts ago. I asked a poster if the definition that I posted was, in his opinion, rest/pause. No one answered me including you.
As far as contributing to the thread I have actually contributed more than you. All you have done is attack me in four of your five posts. Scroll back and take a look.
Finally, that you admit you have never heard of either max stim or rest/pause says a great deal. If you had heard of and understood rest/pause then you would have not only NOT attacked me, but probably appreciated my sarcasm. None of us know it all, but it seems that everyone knows a little something that I don’t. If you believe as I do then you would have first asked yourself this question: "Is max stim just about the same as rest/pause? But, you didn’t do that. Instead you went on the attack.
It’s not my desire to argue with you over personalities. I too read T-Nation to learn. Interesting though, I’ve learned as much about human nature as I have training.
Hopefully we can put this little distraction to bed now?
O.K. it’s all good now, I’ve had a rough week. Hey, now that we’re best friends can we talk about my son, I just came from their pep rally, he’ll probably run for about 280 yds tonight. LOL, just kidding. (not about the 280 he probably will get that).
[quote]piper1 wrote:
O.K. it’s all good now, I’ve had a rough week. Hey, now that we’re best friends can we talk about my son, I just came from their pep rally, he’ll probably run for about 280 yds tonight. LOL, just kidding. (not about the 280 he probably will get that). [/quote]
LMAO, oh man you had me rolling with that one.
Hey, wanna go out for a beer tonight?
You bet! I’ll drink one in your honor, Cheers!