Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass weights with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yesterday and had a blast.
hypertrophy-research.com/maxstim/index.html
What do you think?
It could be interesting.
Give it a good test run and let us know how it works for you.
Do the whole measurements, documentation, and pics thing.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass weights with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yesterday and had a blast.
hypertrophy-research.com/maxstim/index.html
What do you think?[/quote]
WOW!
You just discovered “rest pause.”
It’s only been around for maybe 60+ years.
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass weights with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yesterday and had a blast.
hypertrophy-research.com/maxstim/index.html
What do you think?
WOW!
You just discovered “rest pause.”
It’s only been around for maybe 60+ years.[/quote]
WOW! You must have been born with all the knowledge of the universe and have never come across anything you have never heard of before.
You must be God.
[quote]jbodzin wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass weights with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yesterday and had a blast.
hypertrophy-research.com/maxstim/index.html
What do you think?
WOW!
You just discovered “rest pause.”
It’s only been around for maybe 60+ years.
WOW! You must have been born with all the knowledge of the universe and have never come across anything you have never heard of before.
You must be God.[/quote]
Um, I hate to break this to you but it doesn’t take all the knowledge in the universe to know about rest/pause.
Rest/pause has been around for a long time. And even if someone didn’t know that all they have to do is read it right here on T-Nation:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460483
I’m going to refrain from calling you an idiot because you’re probably 18 years old and I don’t want to give you a complex.
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
jbodzin wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass weights with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yesterday and had a blast.
hypertrophy-research.com/maxstim/index.html
What do you think?
WOW!
You just discovered “rest pause.”
It’s only been around for maybe 60+ years.
WOW! You must have been born with all the knowledge of the universe and have never come across anything you have never heard of before.
You must be God.
Um, I hate to break this to you but it doesn’t take all the knowledge in the universe to know about rest/pause.
Rest/pause has been around for a long time. And even if someone didn’t know that all they have to do is read it right here on T-Nation:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460483
I’m going to refrain from calling you an idiot because you’re probably 18 years old and I don’t want to give you a complex.
[/quote]
Too late, now I have a rest/pause complex.
I guess I should have gone to church more. Apparently it’s in the bible.
Strange, God’s a bigger asshole than I though he would be.
[quote]jbodzin wrote:
I was wandering around the web trying to find any information about Vin Diesel’s work out [/quote]
I see now, it’s all too clear.
“What Max-Stim isn’t”
It’s not magic-No training sytem yet identified will put on 30 Lbs of muscle in 30 days, it just doesn’t work this way.
It’s not rest pause- The typical rest/pause setup involves invoking a continued fatigue response. Max-Stim completely circumvents or at minimum delays fatigue.
It’s not clustering- Clustering in the literal and applied sense is grouping reps into mini sets, Max-Stim does not do this.
It’s not singles- Singles are a weightlifting term used when lifters use several incremental increases in load over very few reps working up to one all out rep, in order to stimulate neural responses and increase strength. Max-Stim does not do this.
Dan Moore
Hypertrophy-Research
Ok, I can see that there is obviously some questioning going on at other sites about whether or not Max-Stim is nothing more than singles.
In some respects they are, IE you are only concentrating on 1 rep at a time. In other respects they are not.
There have been Competitive lifting systems used that are very similar, many of these work in a progressive manner per workout, IE 1 rep, rest, increase weight, another rep, something very similar to this was promoted by Kubik, Max-Stim does not do this.
Some use a fixed weight 85% 1RM and use a rest of around 30 secs between each rep, but only use 3, 5, or even as high as 10 but not 20 reps. Now I’m not saying that there isn’t anyone in the history of weight training who hasn’t used 20 reps but it is definitely not the standard.
Variations of this have been used by many including Poliquin. His method was to do 3-5 reps with approximately your 90%RM with a brief break (10-15 secs) after each rep and after the last rep wait for 3-5 minutes then perform another mini set, effectively “clustering” the reps, Max-Stim does not do this.
Mike Mentzer’s rest/pause, simply put, no comparison to Max-Stim as Mike used all out 1RM reps, with a rest of 10-15 seconds between but only did around 5 reps and at times dropped the load on the last rep if he needed too.
So yes there are aspects that can be correlated but to say that Max-Stim is “just” singles or rest/pause or clustering doesn’t quite mesh.
Dan Moore
[quote]jbodzin wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Hey guys, I saw this training program. Basically, lift heavy ass weights with a rest between each rep for 20 reps. Tried it yesterday and had a blast.
hypertrophy-research.com/maxstim/index.html
What do you think?
WOW!
You just discovered “rest pause.”
It’s only been around for maybe 60+ years.
WOW! You must have been born with all the knowledge of the universe and have never come across anything you have never heard of before.
You must be God.[/quote]
LOL, thanks brother.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
It could be interesting.
Give it a good test run and let us know how it works for you.
Do the whole measurements, documentation, and pics thing.
[/quote]
I won’t do the whole pics/measurement thing but I will monitor my weight and strength levels.
I’ll be writing in my blog.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
It’s not rest pause- The typical rest/pause setup involves invoking a continued fatigue response. Max-Stim completely circumvents or at minimum delays fatigue. [/quote]
LOL
Tell us all how you perform a rep every :20 and not get fatigued. Unless you are using baby weights you WILL get fatigued.
This IS rest/pause. Matters not if it’s a :15 or a :20 pause.
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
jbodzin wrote:
I was wandering around the web trying to find any information about Vin Diesel’s work out
I see now, it’s all too clear.
[/quote]
Yes it is all to clear that I wanted to emulate someone who had better physique than I did, and figure out what they did to get there.
Oh boy you sured showed me.
It’s so pathetic when the one being an asshole trys to justify it. Please continue your justification. It makes me smile. =) =)
[quote]jbodzin wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
jbodzin wrote:
I was wandering around the web trying to find any information about Vin Diesel’s work out
I see now, it’s all too clear.
Yes it is all to clear that I wanted to emulate someone who had better physique than I did, and figure out what they did to get there.
Oh boy you sured showed me.
It’s so pathetic when the one being an asshole trys to justify it. Please continue your justification. It makes me smile. =) =)[/quote]
Actually, I think you are the asshole. Not every post is something earth shattering.
The guy is going to use rest/pause. Do you want a brass band to march up and down the street and congratulate him on the fact that he posted something about iit?
The fact that he didn’t know that it is rest/pause strikes me as funny.
And your teen level sarcasm is not only not funny but inappropriate too.
Now post again and show us what a tard boy you are.
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
It’s not rest pause- The typical rest/pause setup involves invoking a continued fatigue response. Max-Stim completely circumvents or at minimum delays fatigue.
LOL
Tell us all how you perform a rep every :20 and not get fatigued. Unless you are using baby weights you WILL get fatigued.
This IS rest/pause. Matters not if it’s a :15 or a :20 pause. [/quote]
“Mike Mentzer’s rest/pause, simply put, no comparison to Max-Stim as Mike used all out 1RM reps, with a rest of 10-15 seconds between but only did around 5 reps and at times dropped the load on the last rep if he needed too.”
Max Stim is 10RM for 20 reps with 2-15 seconds between reps.
Quite different from Mike Mentzer’s rest pause.
The beauty of Max Stim is that you perform more work per session than any other method. You also limit the lactic build up and keep your CNS under control, which speeds up recovery between sessions.
Lifting heavy + Lifting often = Big muscles.
Smitty88, you can stop pretending to know what you’re talking about now. Thanks.
Sounds like super squats, breathing squats or what ever you want to call it. Just for other exercises. The important thing is to see if its effective for building strength and size and if it is who cares. I’ve thought about trying something like this for a while but i would push the weight up continually. If your not improving from workout to workout its just crap and a waste of time.
H.T.I.D
Oh poor simple Smity, you do make us laugh.
Tonight you shall have an extra helping of gruel.
[quote]big balls wrote:
Sounds like super squats, breathing squats or what ever you want to call it. Just for other exercises. The important thing is to see if its effective for building strength and size and if it is who cares. I’ve thought about trying something like this for a while but i would push the weight up continually. If your not improving from workout to workout its just crap and a waste of time.
H.T.I.D[/quote]
With Max-Stim you must rack the weight after every rep. It’s a pain in the ass for back squats, but trap bar deadlifts/squats would be a perfect substitute.
You are correct about improving workout to workout. That is the key. Max-Stim promises to do that better than other programs. At least that’s what the debate should be about.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
It’s not rest pause- The typical rest/pause setup involves invoking a continued fatigue response. Max-Stim completely circumvents or at minimum delays fatigue.
LOL
Tell us all how you perform a rep every :20 and not get fatigued. Unless you are using baby weights you WILL get fatigued.
This IS rest/pause. Matters not if it’s a :15 or a :20 pause.
“Mike Mentzer’s rest/pause, simply put, no comparison to Max-Stim as Mike used all out 1RM reps, with a rest of 10-15 seconds between but only did around 5 reps and at times dropped the load on the last rep if he needed too.”
Max Stim is 10RM for 20 reps with 2-15 seconds between reps.
Quite different from Mike Mentzer’s rest pause.
The beauty of Max Stim is that you perform more work per session than any other method. You also limit the lactic build up and keep your CNS under control, which speeds up recovery between sessions.
Lifting heavy + Lifting often = Big muscles.
Smitty88, you can stop pretending to know what you’re talking about now. Thanks. [/quote]
You freaking retard. It doesn’t matter which type of rest/pause you use, it’s still rest/pause. That you didn’t know that to begin with was funny. That you now insist that it’s something totally different is even funnier.
Keep it up, it’s good entertainment
[quote]jbodzin wrote:
Oh poor simple Smity, you do make us laugh.
Tonight you shall have an extra helping of gruel.
[/quote]
LOL, I have no more time for this stuff. I have to go train. Tonight I’m going to try something brand spanking new. It’s called “step down” system. You start with a weight that you can do 10 reps with. For the second set you do 8, then 6 then 4.
Oh I know, you’re going to say that it’s really the “pyramid system” but it’s different it really is. It must be I read it on the Internet. Plenty of differneces here boys, with this system you don’t even get fatigued.
LOL
You two goofs have a great night. And don’t hurt your hands patting each other on the back for discovering the rest/pause system.
LOL CLOWNS!
LMAO
Smitty, every once in a while you have something valuable to say, but most of the time you seem to lurk around looking for posters to slam. If you used a little more tact in your responses people might actually pay attention. Who cares what different people might call it, the guy wants to know if it is something that might be good to add to his training.