Marines, Strength/Size, Push-Ups?

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I agree with wressler, army PT is mental stress more than anything. Eventually your mind just blocks out the pain/dulls it to the point where you think about other things. Since my drill sergeants didn’t want us lifting weights, at night I would put my kevlar body armor on, put my feet up on a bunk, and proceed to do pushups. When I could do many reps of that, I wore my dufflebag with my battle buddy’s kevlar. By the end of basic I was about 180lbs big and ripped up. Everyone else looked like christian bale from the machinist days.

I would say the reason not many soldiers get to t-man muscle status is because they aren’t educated on how to workout properly. They think like that one poster; that normal pushups will increase your maximal strength with increased repetitions. Not to mention everyone telling me how situps were making their abs visible. I just smiled and agreed. Maybe it’s because I was with fellow grunts, but that’s the general concensus of working out for them.

When you think about it logically though, there aren’t many people who lift weights to build muscle, and fewer still that understand all the principles for getting to that point. So it shouldn’t really shock you that a small percentage of soldiers have large muscles. They are normal people too (despite what marines tell you).

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No one watches tv at night?the discovery channel followed a group os marines trying to become SEALS…they lifted,they were big,they were fast,case closed

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I played rugby for four years in high school. One of my coaches is the US mens 7s head coach, and during practice he really emphasized pushups and ab work. I really found that doing the push ups in season helped me to maintain alot of strength that i had gained preseason.

My senior year I separated my shoulder and wasnt able to perform any upper body lifts for a long time. However when I was able to begin lifting again, I found that pushups didnt bother my shoulder at all while benching did. When I was finally able to start benching again, I found that my strength did not decrease all that much.

I should note that I would perform 3 sets of the max number of reps 3 days a week

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[quote]Oogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
While I don’t have it quite like that, there is enough time to get protein shakes down throughout a normal day. Someone who claims they can’t eat enough to gain (unless in a war zone) isn’t trying hard enough.

ARE YOU KIDDING? You have time to write 10-thousand posts on a government-issued computer throughout your “work day.” I’m sure taxpayers would be thrilled to know that a military doctor spends most of his day bitching out people on the net.

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Oogied again!

Of course you’d be worried about this. But how many people do you know take smoke breaks every hour? I’m tired of those bastards getting breaks legally because of their smoking habit. They work less than anyone I know.

And there are plenty of other people that take numerous breaks, post online at work or waste time and taxpayer’s money on a regular basis. But no one mentions them.

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if you want to get a severly rounded shoulder posture with muscular imbalances and be a candidate for injury, go right ahead.

A good rule of thumb - for every time you push, you gotta pull. Regardless of the pushing exercise

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[quote]Oogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
While I don’t have it quite like that, there is enough time to get protein shakes down throughout a normal day. Someone who claims they can’t eat enough to gain (unless in a war zone) isn’t trying hard enough.

ARE YOU KIDDING? You have time to write 10-thousand posts on a government-issued computer throughout your “work day.” I’m sure taxpayers would be thrilled to know that a military doctor spends most of his day bitching out people on the net.

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Because a skinny faggot like is any better? You stalk a guy over the internet.

Get a life you fucking tool.

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I would say that being able to do at least 50 push-ups straight is a good “prerequisite” before moving on to weights.

Then…getting stronger using weights while maintaining a solid 50-rep-push-up ability may just help.

It all depends on your goals…but it might be worth a try.

-ton

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[quote]Gatorarmz wrote:
The only decent post on this thread [/quote]

So what you are saying is that you didnt get big from Pussy?

re-edit: I just realised that someone changed the title of the thread so it doesnt seem funny anymore. Damn you.

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[quote]john-lennon wrote:
yeah a friend of a friend of mine HES HUUUUGE And cant even walk up a flight of stairs or wipe his own ass! CAN YO BELIEVE THAT?!?!?!?!?!111ONE111!!
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Yep. I saw a high profile bodybuilder on TV the other day and he was saying that his hobby has caused him to lose all flexability. He also used to be a high level sprinter and bodybuilding has put an end to that. His quote was “Bodybuilders are only good for one thing.”

So perhaps doing exercises like pushups won’t get you huge but I’m pretty sure all flexability, agility and etc wont go out the window.

Glad to see I have your seal of approval. It means a lot to me.

Ha. And people were saying that I make blanket statements!

Yeah because I said before 22 inch arms don’t scare the enemy. Being able to use your weapon and haul ass when needed does.

No shit. They probably figure once your in there they can smash you into shape. It’s better for them to have an unfit person in the Military than a superfit civilian.

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and if you think 135 pound 6 foot tall soldiers are the peak of human evolution i feel sorry for you.[/quote]

This will probably get a rise from some of us Patriotic Americans, but we do not have the best defence force in the world. We have the most technologically advanced but many other countries soldiers are rated higher than ours.

Take the Israelis for example. They constantly get talked about as the most hardened soldiers in the world. Every time I see them on CNN they look to be pretty fucking skinny to me.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:

oh crap now I see the numbnut has already commented on your avatar.

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That hurts.

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[quote]deapee wrote:
Is that why all the pro football, baseball, and other sports players lift weights…so they can ‘look tuff’ – if they wanted to be the ‘real deal’ and not big and clumsy, they should just do pushups, right?
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No. They lift they lift weights specifically for their sport. They have coaches that tell them what to do and they have a goal maximize their performance for game day.

They work on speed, agility, quickness, coordination, and the like. Not just bodybuilding.

Your typical bodybuilder works on one thing. Getting bigger. A bodybuilder doesn’t give a shit what their 40 time is. Most of them would consider that a cardio session :slight_smile:

They generally don’t give a shit because all they care about is a large body. Good on them. Everyone needs a hobby/sport or in many case lifestyle. Getting huge the traditional bodybuilder way, however, does not generally go hand in hand with improved athletisicm.

Obviously weights are important to make the complete athlete and would definetly assist with a soldiers development.

A good article I have been pointed towards by a friend was CT’s Renaissance Body Development.

He’s obviously a brilliant coach and his article shows how bodybuilders should base their training if they don’t want to be “All show and no go”.

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The remark was made about boot camp producing people ready for war. Bullshit! I am in the Navy, and that boot camp is a waste of time. The only war you are ready for after boot camp is the war against unfolded clothes. To get in good shape in the Navy you have to take initiative on your own. The Navy (except special forces) only conditions you for paperwork.

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[quote]Gianacakos wrote:
The remark was made about boot camp producing people ready for war. Bullshit! I am in the Navy, and that boot camp is a waste of time. The only war you are ready for after boot camp is the war against unfolded clothes. To get in good shape in the Navy you have to take initiative on your own. The Navy (except special forces) only conditions you for paperwork.[/quote]

It looks like everyone but “De sleeplijn” is saying the same thing. Odd. Clearly, everyone else is wrong and he is right.

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[quote]Gianacakos wrote:
The remark was made about boot camp producing people ready for war. Bullshit! I am in the Navy, and that boot camp is a waste of time. The only war you are ready for after boot camp is the war against unfolded clothes. To get in good shape in the Navy you have to take initiative on your own. The Navy (except special forces) only conditions you for paperwork.[/quote]

I can’t remember saying bootcamp produces people for war.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It looks like everyone but “De sleeplijn” is saying the same thing. Odd. Clearly, everyone else is wrong and he is right.[/quote]

Thankyou X. Everyone is stupid but me.

What pissed everyone off so much? Was it my statement that bodybuilders generally suck at everything other than bodybuilding?

I saw Peter Twist speak once and he said “If you ever have to take on anybody in a test of speed, agility or coordination, pick the bodybuilder. You’ll beat him everytime”

He did then go on about how he respects bodybuilders for their discipline, but the fact is that strength and conditioning has for performance has suffered due to the bodybuilding magazines and etc

People will probably be so kind to lump him in with Chek but he did a great job of conditioning the Canuuks and is highly respected by his peers.

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[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It looks like everyone but “De sleeplijn” is saying the same thing. Odd. Clearly, everyone else is wrong and he is right.

Thankyou X. Everyone is stupid but me.

What pissed everyone off so much? Was it my statement that bodybuilders generally suck at everything other than bodybuilding?

I saw Peter Twist speak once and he said “If you ever have to take on anybody in a test of speed, agility or coordination, pick the bodybuilder. You’ll beat him everytime”

He did then go on about how he respects bodybuilders for their discipline, but the fact is that strength and conditioning has for performance has suffered due to the bodybuilding magazines and etc

People will probably be so kind to lump him in with Chek but he did a great job of conditioning the Canuuks and is highly respected by his peers.

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What pissed everyone off is your ridiculous generalizations and you speaking on things you clearly have little actual experience in. If every military person on the board has told you that most guys you see in the military who are in shape also LIFT WEIGHTS HARD, where did you get that they didn’t? Pushups are the reason guys are built in the military? Ridiculous. Beyond that, I personally get bothered by people logging on acting as if they are the epitome of “functional training” and can look down on “bodybuilders” as if they are all clumsy and uncoordinated. The truth is usually that the individual who can quote Chek and random other trainers lacks any of the physical superiority that he looks down on others for lacking.

You get good at what you train for. To believe that bodybuilding somehow makes you uncoordinated is about as stupid as you can get. If that same person who was into bodybuilding began training for a sport, chances are he would be very good at it if he had the genetic inclination for it.

For some reason, bodybuilding has received a very bad reputation lately and every skinny newbie tries to quote some personal trainer who adds to this negativity.

Bottom line, people who are built in the military lift weights. There are huge muscular people in the military, and while they may not be the majority, it doesn’t mean that skinny soldiers are better prepared. In fact, soldiers being out of shape and either too skinny or too fat is a major current concern in the US military. Whoever gave you the idea that bootcamp is putting a stop to this has fooled you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The truth is usually that the individual who can quote Chek and random other trainers lacks any of the physical superiority that he looks down on others for lacking.
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The reason that these guys are quoted in larger circles than T-Nation and you’re not is that they come out with good, bankable stuff.

I’m sure you have a lot of training experience and you know a lot about what works for you and your body, but Chek and co. are constantly improving their info in relation to not only themselves, but a host of others.

Chek, Poliquin, Gray: these are true fitness experts, you, on the other hand, are nothing but a glorified step instructor.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Beyond that, I personally get bothered by people logging on acting as if they are the epitome of “functional training” and can look down on “bodybuilders” as if they are all clumsy and uncoordinated.
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There you go with that functional training thing.

Fuck me, functional basically means specific to your cause. If you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, do weights, do the gear, eat the food and be lucky enough to have the genetics.

If you want to be a 100m sprinter, train on the track, do the specific weights and so on.

I have said it in this thread that I respect bodybuilders for the dedication they have to their cause. Like I do with anyone that devotes themselves fully to a lifestyle of any description within reason.

I’ve never quoted Chek. Yet another ridiculous statement from “Professor X”. I quoted Peter Twist and he is a far cry from Chek and I just assumed guys like you would lump him into the same category because you have never thought outside the bodybuilding square.

What makes you think I’m skinny?

It gets a bad rap becaue people are confusing strength and conditioning for sports with bodybuilding.

Bodybuilders are good for one thing - Bodybuilding. Therefore their programs have limited use when trying to improve on the sporting arena.

I quoted Peter Twist who has years of experience at the highest level, books, sports academy and more to his name. If he just rates as a personal trainer I don’t know what to say!

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Bottom line, people who are built in the military lift weights. There are huge muscular people in the military, and while they may not be the majority, it doesn’t mean that skinny soldiers are better prepared. In fact, soldiers being out of shape and either too skinny or too fat is a major current concern in the US military. Whoever gave you the idea that bootcamp is putting a stop to this has fooled you.[/quote]

I never said bootcamp changes people for the bigger or skinnier. US Military people being out of shape? Who would have thought?

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[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:

What makes you think I’m skinny?

It gets a bad rap becaue people are confusing strength and conditioning for sports with bodybuilding.

Bodybuilders are good for one thing - Bodybuilding. Therefore their programs have limited use when trying to improve on the sporting arena.

I never said bootcamp changes people for the bigger or skinnier. US Military people being out of shape? Who would have thought?[/quote]

We think you are skinny because your profile says you are 6’1" and 160, built like Keira Knightley.

And just in case you dont remember your original post
"It makes you functionally strong but doesn’t necessarily make you big and clumsy like a bodybuilder.

I know a few guys in the Military and they are hard & fit bastards. Getting under a barbell only makes you look tuff. Push ups and military style training will make you the real deal."

You then say that football players, etc, weightlift for they’re sport. Seems kinda like your going back on what you said originally.

I know a few guys all around that are hard and fit bastards, does this mean that all people NOT in the military are “hard and fit bastards”?

And how the fuck would you know what military style training is? You have no experiance, and yet you are arguing with those that do.

And wtf is the “real deal”?

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