to those saying a skilled boxer of 5’7 150lbs cannot beat someone who is 6’ 200 simply cos of their size and “couldnt reach their head” you know fuck all about actual street fighting.
if you punch the average man in the face with an accurate and hard punch FIRST you will win 9/10 times
[quote]Pigeonkak wrote: Sorry mate, but if you left a poor Linebacker in the ring with Pacman, we’d be carrying the big lug out on the XXXL stretcher.
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Who is talking about a ring?
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
to those saying a skilled boxer of 5’7 150lbs cannot beat someone who is 6’ 200 simply cos of their size and “couldnt reach their head” you know fuck all about actual street fighting.
if you punch the average man in the face with an accurate and hard punch FIRST you will win 9/10 times
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Who is talking about average? People don’t learn how to protect themselves from average people.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
to those saying a skilled boxer of 5’7 150lbs cannot beat someone who is 6’ 200 simply cos of their size and “couldnt reach their head” you know fuck all about actual street fighting.
if you punch the average man in the face with an accurate and hard punch FIRST you will win 9/10 times
[/quote]
Who is talking about average? People don’t learn how to protect themselves from average people. [/quote]
Of course they do!
What mystical people are you referring to then?
Winning street fights is really not that difficult.
The VAST majority involve some verbal altercation and then a short fight. You can learn how to manage these situaions with some exceptionally simple tactics. If you can then hit this person hard and accurately first, you will almost always win.
Ultimately you need two things:
and that’s it!
yes you could come up against a gang of maurading linebackers armed with bats and knives.
The chances are that you won’t.
The 2 points above are all that are needed to survive any realistic confrontation. If you choose to learn BJJ or whatever else than that is fine, but by no means is it needed to resolve the VAST majority of disputes you will ever reasonably get into. Why the fuck you would ever want to learn anything that involves taking a fight to the floor straightaway is beyond me when 1. the floor is concrete. 2. you can and likely will be getting kicked straight in the face by any friends who may be around.
You can’t be serious about a Manny or Floyd in a street fight??? I would back them against anyone in the history of the fucking NFL.
Regarding weight training: do it if you want. The actual reality of street fights is having the right mentality and managing your adrenaline. You can do all the push ups you want and stare in the mirror after thinking you’re tough. In a real altercation you need to have the bottle to actually do something when your adrenaline is running so high you want to shit your pants. Boxing will help with that, weights is a loooooong way down the list.
[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
^ The point I’m trying to make is you sound like a decent lad, but you’re focusing on the wrong details in my opinion. If you want to be able to fight, you have to fight, and you have to develop a fighters mindset. Weights will make you bigger and stronger, but if you live in a hard area, they’ll only make you a bigger stronger victim, until you are able to handle yourself.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. And one of those things he’s focusing on is revenge, which consumes people and leaves them bitter and angry. Why? Because revenge is not always feasible but it ALWAYS has consequences. One thing I learnt watching monsters heave ho at each other in clubs and pubs - if they are lifting weights to get big, and are using that size to muscle others, then their weakness is evident to the rest of us who can handle ourselves.
Skarkie: If the cops got your bike back, then leave it be mate. If the thug who took it isn’t pushing an agenda against you, then leave it be mate. [/quote]
And I agree with you mate. My understanding originally was that this was a particular guy being a recurring problem for Sharkonsie. In that situation, judging by your last sentence, we’re in agreement there, that sometimes in a bad area you have to assert yourself so that you’re not seen as a victim. Sometimes you do have to get your hands dirty in the short term if you’re going to keep free from trouble in the long term. As you say, it shouldn’t ever be about revenge, because as much as anything else that’ll lead you to make bad decisions when you need to be thinking clearly the most.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
to those saying a skilled boxer of 5’7 150lbs cannot beat someone who is 6’ 200 simply cos of their size and “couldnt reach their head” you know fuck all about actual street fighting.
if you punch the average man in the face with an accurate and hard punch FIRST you will win 9/10 times
[/quote]
Who is talking about average? People don’t learn how to protect themselves from average people. [/quote]
Of course they do!
What mystical people are you referring to then?
Winning street fights is really not that difficult.
The VAST majority involve some verbal altercation and then a short fight. You can learn how to manage these situaions with some exceptionally simple tactics. If you can then hit this person hard and accurately first, you will almost always win.
Ultimately you need two things:
and that’s it!
yes you could come up against a gang of maurading linebackers armed with bats and knives.
The chances are that you won’t.
The 2 points above are all that are needed to survive any realistic confrontation. If you choose to learn BJJ or whatever else than that is fine, but by no means is it needed to resolve the VAST majority of disputes you will ever reasonably get into. Why the fuck you would ever want to learn anything that involves taking a fight to the floor straightaway is beyond me when 1. the floor is concrete. 2. you can and likely will be getting kicked straight in the face by any friends who may be around.
You can’t be serious about a Manny or Floyd in a street fight??? I would back them against anyone in the history of the fucking NFL.
Regarding weight training: do it if you want. The actual reality of street fights is having the right mentality and managing your adrenaline. You can do all the push ups you want and stare in the mirror after thinking you’re tough. In a real altercation you need to have the bottle to actually do something when your adrenaline is running so high you want to shit your pants. Boxing will help with that, weights is a loooooong way down the list.
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I agree with a lot of what you’re saying mate. I do think hitting hard and hitting first is often the way to win in an unavoidable confrontation. I do think for self defense learning boxing (and similar arts) is the best way forward. Not just for the skills and experience, but the sense of self-belief and resolve it can give you.
I think it offers more than the likes of Krav in some respects, because while those self-defense arts can teach you to handle real world situations, and to pound through them when you’re hurting,I don’t think they give you the sense of being a fucking champion that a sport like boxing will. The pride you develop in boxing doesn’t get built in the same way (from the little I know) in Krav and other similar things. You need that fighters pride, cos however realistic your training, if you don’t have that attitude that you’ll fight til the last breath, someone someday might just fuck you up.
That’s why I agree with ZeCarlo rather than you on the point about training for average. I could have smashed Mr. Average on a night out after a year of training boxing. Trouble is, round me, there are a lot of these ‘mythical’ guys who aren’t average at all. I’ve been boxing at a high level for more than ten years, I’m the exact height and weight that Dempsey was when he won the world heavyweight championship against Willard, and still on any given night in my area I come across more than a handful of people I’d back myself to find a way to beat if I had to, but who are big and hard enough that I wouldn’t want to have to find out.
The boxer/linebacker analogy is definitely flawed as well. Fine if you’re in a deserted street, but what if you’re in a bar? 250lbs of dynamic muscle is going to win if it grabs you first. Which again shows that it is about mentality, and how you position yourself in the lead up to violence, that really makes the difference more than skills.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
If you choose to learn BJJ or whatever else than that is fine, but by no means is it needed to resolve the VAST majority of disputes you will ever reasonably get into. Why the fuck you would ever want to learn anything that involves taking a fight to the floor straightaway is beyond me when 1. the floor is concrete. 2. you can and likely will be getting kicked straight in the face by any friends who may be around.[/quote]
The key aspects of knowing BJJ for street purposes is simple, you need to know how to minimize any damage once you get on the ground and then know how to get back to your feet as quickly as possible either by a sweep or a sub. I will agree with you that BJJ is not suited for taking your opponent to the ground as a primary offense in most situation because you open up many more variables that are out of your control (like getting your face kicked in by opponents friends). The only way I would even think of using BJJ from a standing position is if I had an opportunity to get some sort of choke which if done properly can nuetralize your oppoent pretty quick.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
to those saying a skilled boxer of 5’7 150lbs cannot beat someone who is 6’ 200 simply cos of their size and “couldnt reach their head” you know fuck all about actual street fighting.
if you punch the average man in the face with an accurate and hard punch FIRST you will win 9/10 times
[/quote]
Who is talking about average? People don’t learn how to protect themselves from average people. [/quote]
Of course they do!
What mystical people are you referring to then?
Winning street fights is really not that difficult.
The VAST majority involve some verbal altercation and then a short fight. You can learn how to manage these situaions with some exceptionally simple tactics. If you can then hit this person hard and accurately first, you will almost always win.
Ultimately you need two things:
and that’s it!
yes you could come up against a gang of maurading linebackers armed with bats and knives.
The chances are that you won’t.
The 2 points above are all that are needed to survive any realistic confrontation. If you choose to learn BJJ or whatever else than that is fine, but by no means is it needed to resolve the VAST majority of disputes you will ever reasonably get into. Why the fuck you would ever want to learn anything that involves taking a fight to the floor straightaway is beyond me when 1. the floor is concrete. 2. you can and likely will be getting kicked straight in the face by any friends who may be around.
You can’t be serious about a Manny or Floyd in a street fight??? I would back them against anyone in the history of the fucking NFL.
Regarding weight training: do it if you want. The actual reality of street fights is having the right mentality and managing your adrenaline. You can do all the push ups you want and stare in the mirror after thinking you’re tough. In a real altercation you need to have the bottle to actually do something when your adrenaline is running so high you want to shit your pants. Boxing will help with that, weights is a loooooong way down the list.
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I agree with a lot of what you’re saying mate. I do think hitting hard and hitting first is often the way to win in an unavoidable confrontation. I do think for self defense learning boxing (and similar arts) is the best way forward. Not just for the skills and experience, but the sense of self-belief and resolve it can give you.
I think it offers more than the likes of Krav in some respects, because while those self-defense arts can teach you to handle real world situations, and to pound through them when you’re hurting,I don’t think they give you the sense of being a fucking champion that a sport like boxing will. The pride you develop in boxing doesn’t get built in the same way (from the little I know) in Krav and other similar things. You need that fighters pride, cos however realistic your training, if you don’t have that attitude that you’ll fight til the last breath, someone someday might just fuck you up.
That’s why I agree with ZeCarlo rather than you on the point about training for average. I could have smashed Mr. Average on a night out after a year of training boxing. Trouble is, round me, there are a lot of these ‘mythical’ guys who aren’t average at all. I’ve been boxing at a high level for more than ten years, I’m the exact height and weight that Dempsey was when he won the world heavyweight championship against Willard, and still on any given night in my area I come across more than a handful of people I’d back myself to find a way to beat if I had to, but who are big and hard enough that I wouldn’t want to have to find out.
The boxer/linebacker analogy is definitely flawed as well. Fine if you’re in a deserted street, but what if you’re in a bar? 250lbs of dynamic muscle is going to win if it grabs you first. Which again shows that it is about mentality, and how you position yourself in the lead up to violence, that really makes the difference more than skills.
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Agree with most of this.
Regarding Mr Average: that is in relation to the guy who made this thread. He largely wants to stop getting sand kicked in his face at the beach. Not alot is needed for that imo.
If you want to expand and include people who are very tough themselves, my opinion is that once you get to this level things are largely innate: you either have the mentality or you don’t. You can improve things for sure but there comes a point where things are either in you nature or they are not.
I also have met people from a wide spectrum from comedy wimps to basically major violent criminals. Once you get to people like them all bets are off. Personally I back myself but I am not a fool either. I have been in many places and found out one or more of these volatile maniacs are in there and ive walked straight out. These are people who will spray ammonia in your face and then stab you 5 times and think literally nothing about doing it. I don’t want fo be within 10 miles of them. I go to a gym that has Krav Maga classes and im sorry but i piss myself thinking about some of these guys trying to use this stuff in a real situation. They would get so brutally done it is a joke. They would be better off remaining scared and trying to run off rather than disarm somone spraying ammonia in their face and putting a knife in their kidneys.
Unfortunately alot of these people are around depending on where you live.
My own belief is you can do all the weights and boxing training you want but unless that kind of thing is naturally in your make up it is not going to end well.
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
If you choose to learn BJJ or whatever else than that is fine, but by no means is it needed to resolve the VAST majority of disputes you will ever reasonably get into. Why the fuck you would ever want to learn anything that involves taking a fight to the floor straightaway is beyond me when 1. the floor is concrete. 2. you can and likely will be getting kicked straight in the face by any friends who may be around.[/quote]
The key aspects of knowing BJJ for street purposes is simple, you need to know how to minimize any damage once you get on the ground and then know how to get back to your feet as quickly as possible either by a sweep or a sub. I will agree with you that BJJ is not suited for taking your opponent to the ground as a primary offense in most situation because you open up many more variables that are out of your control (like getting your face kicked in by opponents friends). The only way I would even think of using BJJ from a standing position is if I had an opportunity to get some sort of choke which if done properly can nuetralize your oppoent pretty quick.
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Good points.
My statement regarding BJJ was in relation to the OP.
His friend tried to “take down” some guy with his killer UFC BJJ moves and got his face punched in for his troubles.
People misunderstand this stuff for the street imo.
BJJ is a sport.
A beginner applying this in the street = likely to get his face punched in.
Boxing also a sport but a beginner applying this in the street = basic footwork and accuracy, likely to have a better end result.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
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A beginner applying this in the street = likely to get his face punched in.
Boxing also a sport but a beginner applying this in the street = basic footwork and accuracy, likely to have a better end result.
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A beginner in anything either needs to stay at home or have good running shoes if they are gonna put themselves in compromised situations. My original training was in boxing. It’s a solid sport to know if your primary objective it to keep from getting your ass kicked in a bar fight or even an average street fight against somebody about your size. If you are a buck fifty soaking wet, I don’t care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, your chances of taking out somebody the size of a NFL lineman are small.
Also, boxing may not be the best approach if you are in a life or death situation with somebody that is looking to do great physical harm to your person. So, point being, know your limitations in both your skills and your training and react accordingly.
[quote]MWP wrote:
If you are a buck fifty soaking wet, I don’t care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, your chances of taking out somebody the size of a NFL lineman are small.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree.
In this theoretical scenario - a world class boxer is going to have the technique speed and power to knock a large muscular man out with one shot. The simple fact that he is large means nothing.
It is extremely presumptious to assume that this large man could just maul the smaller guy. A world class welterweight would have all the necessary attributes to knock the guy straight out. This is someone who has thrown hundreds of thousands of punches every year for most of his life. I would definitely back them to knock the NFL guy straight out.
I agree that there is a limit to how small you can be, but a welterweight is definitely large enough.
I am amazed at statements like this. An elite level puncher would lose against someone with NO fighting skills purely because he is outweighed by a large amount? No way.
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[
A beginner applying this in the street = likely to get his face punched in.
Boxing also a sport but a beginner applying this in the street = basic footwork and accuracy, likely to have a better end result.
[/quote]
A beginner in anything either needs to stay at home or have good running shoes if they are gonna put themselves in compromised situations. My original training was in boxing. It’s a solid sport to know if your primary objective it to keep from getting your ass kicked in a bar fight or even an average street fight against somebody about your size. If you are a buck fifty soaking wet, I don’t care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, your chances of taking out somebody the size of a NFL lineman are small.
Also, boxing may not be the best approach if you are in a life or death situation with somebody that is looking to do great physical harm to your person. So, point being, know your limitations in both your skills and your training and react accordingly.[/quote]
Exactly. Take you for example, for the sake of the OP/discussion. You’re a big strong seasoned guy. If I had cause for trouble with you, I would NOT be looking to try and out point you in some kind of prize fight, instead, I would be looking for a rock to bash you on the head with. This is the point a lot of people miss. However good your skills are, there are situations and odds where you just don’t want to have to rely on them.
Sugar Ray Leonard might well be able to smash up an offensive lineman - sometimes. The point is, if that’s his go to, he’s gonna get fucked up a whole lot of times for each time he wins. That is not a good strategy for winning at real-world violence
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
to those saying a skilled boxer of 5’7 150lbs cannot beat someone who is 6’ 200 simply cos of their size and “couldnt reach their head” you know fuck all about actual street fighting.
if you punch the average man in the face with an accurate and hard punch FIRST you will win 9/10 times
[/quote]
Who is talking about average? People don’t learn how to protect themselves from average people. [/quote]
Of course they do!
What mystical people are you referring to then?
Winning street fights is really not that difficult.
The VAST majority involve some verbal altercation and then a short fight. You can learn how to manage these situaions with some exceptionally simple tactics. If you can then hit this person hard and accurately first, you will almost always win.
Ultimately you need two things:
and that’s it!
yes you could come up against a gang of maurading linebackers armed with bats and knives.
The chances are that you won’t.
The 2 points above are all that are needed to survive any realistic confrontation. If you choose to learn BJJ or whatever else than that is fine, but by no means is it needed to resolve the VAST majority of disputes you will ever reasonably get into. Why the fuck you would ever want to learn anything that involves taking a fight to the floor straightaway is beyond me when 1. the floor is concrete. 2. you can and likely will be getting kicked straight in the face by any friends who may be around.
You can’t be serious about a Manny or Floyd in a street fight??? I would back them against anyone in the history of the fucking NFL.
Regarding weight training: do it if you want. The actual reality of street fights is having the right mentality and managing your adrenaline. You can do all the push ups you want and stare in the mirror after thinking you’re tough. In a real altercation you need to have the bottle to actually do something when your adrenaline is running so high you want to shit your pants. Boxing will help with that, weights is a loooooong way down the list.
[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying mate. I do think hitting hard and hitting first is often the way to win in an unavoidable confrontation. I do think for self defense learning boxing (and similar arts) is the best way forward. Not just for the skills and experience, but the sense of self-belief and resolve it can give you.
I think it offers more than the likes of Krav in some respects, because while those self-defense arts can teach you to handle real world situations, and to pound through them when you’re hurting,I don’t think they give you the sense of being a fucking champion that a sport like boxing will. The pride you develop in boxing doesn’t get built in the same way (from the little I know) in Krav and other similar things. You need that fighters pride, cos however realistic your training, if you don’t have that attitude that you’ll fight til the last breath, someone someday might just fuck you up.
That’s why I agree with ZeCarlo rather than you on the point about training for average. I could have smashed Mr. Average on a night out after a year of training boxing. Trouble is, round me, there are a lot of these ‘mythical’ guys who aren’t average at all. I’ve been boxing at a high level for more than ten years, I’m the exact height and weight that Dempsey was when he won the world heavyweight championship against Willard, and still on any given night in my area I come across more than a handful of people I’d back myself to find a way to beat if I had to, but who are big and hard enough that I wouldn’t want to have to find out.
The boxer/linebacker analogy is definitely flawed as well. Fine if you’re in a deserted street, but what if you’re in a bar? 250lbs of dynamic muscle is going to win if it grabs you first. Which again shows that it is about mentality, and how you position yourself in the lead up to violence, that really makes the difference more than skills.
[/quote]
Agree with most of this.
Regarding Mr Average: that is in relation to the guy who made this thread. He largely wants to stop getting sand kicked in his face at the beach. Not alot is needed for that imo.
If you want to expand and include people who are very tough themselves, my opinion is that once you get to this level things are largely innate: you either have the mentality or you don’t. You can improve things for sure but there comes a point where things are either in you nature or they are not.
I also have met people from a wide spectrum from comedy wimps to basically major violent criminals. Once you get to people like them all bets are off. Personally I back myself but I am not a fool either. I have been in many places and found out one or more of these volatile maniacs are in there and ive walked straight out. These are people who will spray ammonia in your face and then stab you 5 times and think literally nothing about doing it. I don’t want fo be within 10 miles of them. I go to a gym that has Krav Maga classes and im sorry but i piss myself thinking about some of these guys trying to use this stuff in a real situation. They would get so brutally done it is a joke. They would be better off remaining scared and trying to run off rather than disarm somone spraying ammonia in their face and putting a knife in their kidneys.
Unfortunately alot of these people are around depending on where you live.
My own belief is you can do all the weights and boxing training you want but unless that kind of thing is naturally in your make up it is not going to end well.
[/quote]
No argument here. All solid points.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
If you are a buck fifty soaking wet, I don’t care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, your chances of taking out somebody the size of a NFL lineman are small.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree.
In this theoretical scenario - a world class boxer is going to have the technique speed and power to knock a large muscular man out with one shot. The simple fact that he is large means nothing.
It is extremely presumptious to assume that this large man could just maul the smaller guy. A world class welterweight would have all the necessary attributes to knock the guy straight out. This is someone who has thrown hundreds of thousands of punches every year for most of his life. I would definitely back them to knock the NFL guy straight out.
I agree that there is a limit to how small you can be, but a welterweight is definitely large enough.
I am amazed at statements like this. An elite level puncher would lose against someone with NO fighting skills purely because he is outweighed by a large amount? No way.
[/quote]
Wow, this thread has really gone off into tangentville since I checked it last.
Here is the thing about the boxer vs linebacker scenario (or any “fighter A vs fighter B” types of scenario)- you never really know who is going to win a street fight until it actually happens, and even then there is no guarantee that the outcome would be the same the next time around. There are just so many variables involved and so many uncontrollable factors that it’s anyone’s guess what would really happen.
SRL, Mayweather, and Pacman are all hall of fame level boxers, which obviously makes them more dangerous than the average person with their hands; but this in no way guarantees them victory over some theoretical Linebacker in a real fight.
We have no idea whether the linebacker is “glass jaw Joe” and go down from one punch or has an iron chin and will just walk through their punches, pick them up and snap them in half.
We don’t know if or what weapons will come into play.
We don’t know the terrain
We don’t know the scenario
All of those factors can turn the tide in either person’s favor.
That of course doesn’t mean that I don’t believe that people should not train boxing, BJJ, Krav, SENTO, or some other martial art that teaches combatively effective skills to it’s practitioners. Those skills will at least increase the likelihood that someone can overcome superior physicality, but in the end it’s the individual who fights the battles, not the system.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
If you are a buck fifty soaking wet, I don’t care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, your chances of taking out somebody the size of a NFL lineman are small.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree.
In this theoretical scenario - a world class boxer is going to have the technique speed and power to knock a large muscular man out with one shot. The simple fact that he is large means nothing.
It is extremely presumptious to assume that this large man could just maul the smaller guy. A world class welterweight would have all the necessary attributes to knock the guy straight out. This is someone who has thrown hundreds of thousands of punches every year for most of his life. I would definitely back them to knock the NFL guy straight out.
I agree that there is a limit to how small you can be, but a welterweight is definitely large enough.
I am amazed at statements like this. An elite level puncher would lose against someone with NO fighting skills purely because he is outweighed by a large amount? No way.
[/quote]
Wow, this thread has really gone off into tangentville since I checked it last.
Here is the thing about the boxer vs linebacker scenario (or any “fighter A vs fighter B” types of scenario)- you never really know who is going to win a street fight until it actually happens, and even then there is no guarantee that the outcome would be the same the next time around. There are just so many variables involved and so many uncontrollable factors that it’s anyone’s guess what would really happen.
SRL, Mayweather, and Pacman are all hall of fame level boxers, which obviously makes them more dangerous than the average person with their hands; but this in no way guarantees them victory over some theoretical Linebacker in a real fight.
We have no idea whether the linebacker is “glass jaw Joe” and go down from one punch or has an iron chin and will just walk through their punches, pick them up and snap them in half.
We don’t know if or what weapons will come into play.
We don’t know the terrain
We don’t know the scenario
All of those factors can turn the tide in either person’s favor.
That of course doesn’t mean that I don’t believe that people should not train boxing, BJJ, Krav, SENTO, or some other martial art that teaches combatively effective skills to it’s practitioners. Those skills will at least increase the likelihood that someone can overcome superior physicality, but in the end it’s the individual who fights the battles, not the system.[/quote]
in these hypotheticals - you have to make alot of assumptions of course otherwise it becomes meningless - eg what if the Linebacker happens to have a gun in his pocket etc.
essentially the premise is the “linebacker” is the archetypal “big, strong guy” and the boxer is smaller but absolutely world class.
you can only go on the average’s with this stuff - so the big guy doesn’t have a glass jaw but he has an average jaw, i.e. pretty much a glass one anyway.
they begin a street fight in the typical way - a close quarters verbal argument escalates to a fight.
based on these, my premise is that the boxer sparks the big man out cold like lightning.
yes in reality the linebacker could be an ex Judo champion or the boxer could be high on drugs and miss or whatever.
the over riding message in my opinion is that it is ridiculous to back someone purely because they are physically large and you have no further information on them against someone who is a proven elite puncher.
I can’t speak for Krav, but we absolutely build that mindset in our students.
One of Joe Lewis’ favorite mottos/quotes before he died was “indomitable spirit, the forgotten secret to martial arts”. Being that my instructors’ grandfather and uncle were both special forces, and their father boxed, wrestled, did Jiu-Jitsu, and fought hundreds if not thousands of real fights (and in his prime was one of the toughest and most feared men on the East coast of the US), and my instructors grew up fighting each other and hundreds of real fights themselves, they are all too aware of the need for the need for “fighting spirit”, and as a result it’s a big part of their system. By the time someone gets their black belt, you had pretty much better be ready to kill them if you’re going to force them to fight you, because they aren’t going to quit till they either win or they are dead/unconscious.
So I totally agree with your point, but trust me when I say that boxing is far from the only combat system that develops that.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I can’t speak for Krav, but we absolutely build that mindset in our students.
One of Joe Lewis’ favorite mottos/quotes before he died was “indomitable spirit, the forgotten secret to martial arts”. Being that my instructors’ grandfather and uncle were both special forces, and their father boxed, wrestled, did Jiu-Jitsu, and fought hundreds if not thousands of real fights (and in his prime was one of the toughest and most feared men on the East coast of the US), and my instructors grew up fighting each other and hundreds of real fights themselves, they are all too aware of the need for the need for “fighting spirit”, and as a result it’s a big part of their system. By the time someone gets their black belt, you had pretty much better be ready to kill them if you’re going to force them to fight you, because they aren’t going to quit till they either win or they are dead/unconscious.
So I totally agree with your point, but trust me when I say that boxing is far from the only combat system that develops that.[/quote]
Agree with both of you.
IMHO, an aggressive,even brutal, combat mindset is the most important element in surviving any fight, whether its on the street or in a combat area of operations. We used to have a saying,“I am going back, the same way I came in”, and, whatever it took to do that , will get done. There is no losing, only winning.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I can’t speak for Krav, but we absolutely build that mindset in our students.
One of Joe Lewis’ favorite mottos/quotes before he died was “indomitable spirit, the forgotten secret to martial arts”. Being that my instructors’ grandfather and uncle were both special forces, and their father boxed, wrestled, did Jiu-Jitsu, and fought hundreds if not thousands of real fights (and in his prime was one of the toughest and most feared men on the East coast of the US), and my instructors grew up fighting each other and hundreds of real fights themselves, they are all too aware of the need for the need for “fighting spirit”, and as a result it’s a big part of their system. By the time someone gets their black belt, you had pretty much better be ready to kill them if you’re going to force them to fight you, because they aren’t going to quit till they either win or they are dead/unconscious.
So I totally agree with your point, but trust me when I say that boxing is far from the only combat system that develops that.[/quote]
Thanks for sharing that - I know very little about your RMA, and I meant no disrespect towards it by what I said about ‘Krav and the like’. In fact, I had assumed that anything Joe Lewis taught or was involved in would be the real deal. Especially as we recognise, as Idaho put so well, that it’s all about ‘going out as you went in’, whatever it takes.
http://www.irlamamateurboxingacademy.co.uk/videos.html
Anyone know about this place? Is it legit? It is pretty close.
Never heard of it, but I google it and the head coach there.
It’s a not for profit, so the coaches are doing it for the right reasons.
The head coach is a former pro, has been a corner man for Ricky Hatton, trains pros and amateurs. All good signs.
They have an active crop of amateur fighters, put on shows, and look to take their guys to shows around the country.
All in all, those are three excellent signs that you should look for in a gym. Not a rip off, coach is legit, and they are active competitively. Just don’t go take their boxercise class. Throw yourself in there. Keep your head down and train hard, you’ll do just fine. Don’t hang about though, join this week, or next week cos of the bank holiday.