Limited ROM in Chest

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Better would have been,

“For vastly the greater part the real danger of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and young children who wander by the water’s edge.”

My natural tendency is to use too many parenthetical phrases (which I did not do there though), too many phrases set off by commas, and overly long sentences.[/quote]
Yep, like someone trying to combine German comma usage and structure with the English language.

I used to do that a lot when writing essays back in my school days… Teachers always complained about it… Plus if the page limit for a certain essay was 5 pages, I ended up writing 30+. No such thing as a short story in my world…

(besides, I was really just looking for some excuse to link to the PBF page… They have some real goodies there… Browse the comics from the beginning if you have a minute)

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is wrong with that sentence?
I actually like the way he writes.
It’s different, and in being so it captivates my attention.
[/quote]
Yes, but you are also clearly crazy.
[/quote]

Only when faced with the mask of deceit and manipulation.
The apparent madness is my attempt at self restraint from pulling it down.
However, authentic men like yourself would find me a pleasure to be with.
I am transparent and I trust that the face someone is showing me is real - until proven wrong.

Then I go crazy.

:wink:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Better would have been,

“For vastly the greater part the real danger of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and young children who wander by the water’s edge.”
[/quote]
This is completely void of your personhood. The other way I actually felt as if you were with me. The above structure is too mechanical.[quote]

My natural tendency is to use too many phrases set off by commas,[/quote]
That gives it a heart beat, in my experience of reading you. [quote]
and overly long sentences.[/quote]
Yes, I get lost on those :)…and it makes me smile as I am in the middle of one and I say to myself: "I completely lost him, I have to go back all over again.
And sometimes when too tired, I just quit and count it as loss.

I was never under he impression you were incoherent, though. Which others who write trying to impress, become.
I can’t discern what they are saying but I can discern that they are saying nothing of value.

No, it’s of value, or certainly would be if I weren’t already aware of my shortcomings in this.

And anyway it was really intended by C_C as good-natured teasing. He knows I’m aware that my natural tendencies in sentence construction are not good writing style. It is just that I type rapidly and naturally construct sentences this way. It’s much slower to write properly. I am making efforts though these days to check to see if anything is too awful and to correct it if it is. This particular example didn’t strike me as being particularly awful :slight_smile:

Although for the few articles for T-mag I’ve co-written with Tim I always took care to write properly, he mentioned to me once that, like you, he likes my writing style on the forum because it is exactly as I speak. So you’re right, it is “authentic.”

But hard to read :wink:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
And anyway it was really intended by C_C as good-natured teasing. [/quote]

Exactly.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is wrong with that sentence?
I actually like the way he writes.
It’s different, and in being so it captivates my attention.
[/quote]
Yes, but you are also clearly crazy.
[/quote]
I go crazy.
[/quote]

Indeed!

:slight_smile:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is wrong with that sentence?
I actually like the way he writes.
It’s different, and in being so it captivates my attention.
[/quote]
Yes, but you are also clearly crazy.
[/quote]
I go crazy.
[/quote]

Indeed!

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

hahahahahahaha…don’t take me on or else I shall tease you to death with pictures of my self!

: D

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No, it’s of value, or certainly would be if I weren’t already aware of my shortcomings in this.[/quote] You misunderstand me. I was merely reflecting on some people who write in perfect style and using words that are clearly beyond the audience simply to impress. You are far, far from guilty of this - in fact you are the only person here who could do such a thing and yet you don’t: That is authentic humility. I was just thinking about people whose posts I read and immediately think: “You are full of shit”. I have never had this reaction from reading your posts. Never. And I am very attentive.
I was just reminiscing on people who are “Hot Dogs” versus someone like you who is just hot.[quote]

And anyway it was really intended by C_C as good-natured teasing. [/quote] I know! I like him. Like you said, his teasing has the right motivation. I understood, I was genuinely curious about the sentence in question because I would have written almost the same way and then I just went on to add I can tell when you are simply grammatically incoherent against those who, though full of big words and grammatically coherent are “incoherent” ( full of shit ).[quote]
I am making efforts though these days to check to see if anything is too awful and to correct it if it is. This particular example didn’t strike me as being particularly awful :)[/quote]
Please don’t change…I find it endearing![quote]

Although for the few articles for T-mag I’ve co-written with Tim I always took care to write properly, he mentioned to me once that, like you, he likes my writing style on the forum because it is exactly as I speak. So you’re right, it is “authentic.”

But hard to read ;)[/quote]

Authenticity is rare in this world. Whatever effort to read you is totally worth it.
I agree with Tim.
Don’t change because we clearly get to see you.

Thanks! :slight_smile:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
…the real danger of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and young children…[/quote]

Wait. What’s the danger of alligators petting a dog? I understand that alligators are not meant to pet children, but dogs?

I suppose the word “pet” was redundant, as there aren’t that many wild dogs in Florida.

I thought you were just being thorough.
It is amazing how I read that sentence and it made perfect sense in tone and meaning whilst others are getting new interpretations.

I’m pretty sure BT was kidding! :slight_smile:

But as a literal matter: I’m sure I wrote “pet dog” because that is the matter that is a real concern for most people. While it is sad and unfortunate also if a non-pet dog gets eaten by an alligator, this isn’t something people worry about. It is the pet dogs and also of course young children that people worry about.

As for my listing the pet dogs first, this wasn’t because of that being a greater loss if it happens – obviously quite the reverse – but I believe it is extremely rare for a child to be attacked this way, as parents are apparently diligent in supervising so as to prevent any opportunity. However I believe a large number of pets are lost each year this way. So it was a matter of frequency, not importance.

Also, it is only with pet dogs and young children that one can do anything with the information. One can do nothing to keep the non-pet dogs away from the alligators. In contrast, it does seem that not everyone knows to keep their pet dogs from the water’s edge in areas where there may be alligators: for example, at the previously-mentioned Lake Alice on the UF campus, while passing by on the road I actually have seen people letting their little toy dogs run around not far from the water. Almost certainly, they just don’t know better.

That said, I expect that any size dog is at risk, as alligators have been known to kill deer.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m pretty sure BT was kidding! :)[/quote] lol
…and do you know what is funnier? As I left to work today after reading Bullet’s post I thought to my self: "I learnt something new today. I didn’t know you could use ‘pet’ as a verb. I am pretty sure in all my years of exercising the English language I have never come across its usage…
And I went trough 25 years of all my English speaking ( On top of it all I went to an American school in Brazil, so I speak American English ) looking for this usage. I even thought: bepet, as in befriend…
![quote]

But as a literal matter: I’m sure I wrote “pet dog” because that is the matter that is a real concern for most people. While it is sad and unfortunate also if a non-pet dog gets eaten by an alligator, this isn’t something people worry about.[/quote] Ah, that is something new I learn…I didn’t know you had vagabond dogs in Florida? ( that is what we call the street dogs in Brazil ). We do not have them in London and I that was most striking when I arrived as a teen - they were ever present on the streets in Brazil, where they also get killed and it is of little concern but they die of either drunk or young drivers ( I mean very young; I learnt to drive aged 12 and I never killed a dog ).[quote]

As for my listing the pet dogs first, this wasn’t because of that being a greater loss if it happens – obviously quite the reverse – [/quote] : D…you make me laugh…I already know you have a heart.[quote]but I believe it is extremely rare for a child to be attacked this way, as parents are apparently diligent in supervising so as to prevent any opportunity. However I believe a large number of pets are lost each year this way. So it was a matter of frequency, not importance.[/quote] I believe you. :)[quote]

Also, it is only with pet dogs and young children that one can do anything with the information. One can do nothing to keep the non-pet dogs away from the alligators. In contrast, it does seem that not everyone knows to keep their pet dogs from the water’s edge in areas where there may be alligators: for example, at the previously-mentioned Lake Alice on the UF campus, while passing by on the road I actually have seen people letting their little toy dogs run around not far from the water. Almost certainly, they just don’t know better.[/quote] I wouldn’t mind seeing a chihuahua being swallowed by an alligator ( sometimes I don’t have a heart ). I hate those dogs.[quote]

That said, I expect that any size dog is at risk, as alligators have been known to kill deer.[/quote]
The documentary they had on that I mentioned earlier showed an alli making a kill on the Burmese Python!! Then the commentator went on to explain that the alligator’s teeth were not designed to tear skin but it can crush tons! And so the snake proved too long to be eaten.
This particular animal was phenomenally sized! Absolutely impressive to see such a beast come out of the surface of the waters and snap at a prey with such power and precision in spite of such awkward anatomy. I guess it must be pure muscle, I mean that neck which is also a head which is also its body…and they look so heavy weight and so slow mo and yet BAMN! Pow Wow! Impressive.

There aren’t many stray dogs here, but every now and then some do get lost from their owners. Sp far as I know there are no feral dogs. Feral pigs, yes, but not feral dogs.

There are no feral pigs on the UF campus though. But when I used to live in a more rural area of North Florida occasionally a group of them would be seen. (I don’t know the expression for a group of pigs.)

Sidetrack: Decided to Google that. Apparently there is no standardized term. On the first page, expressions listed were a drift, a team, or a herd. It seems that if one is moving the pigs they are then a drove. The expression “a sounder” apparently is reserved for wild pigs.

Chihuahuas are fairly nasty-tempered animals, as personal opinion. There is no way people would tolerate their typical disposition in a larger dog.

I am not sure if the verb “to pet” with reference to petting animals is used everywhere in the US. My ex-fiancee, who grew up in Maine, speaks of “patting” an animal regardless that the action in mind is stroking, not patting, so apparently there can be variability.

So what expression do you use for gently stroking an animal?

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
(I don’t know the expression for a group of pigs.)[/quote] Politicians.[quote]

Sidetrack: Decided to Google that. Apparently there is no standardized term. On the first page, expressions listed were a drift, a team, or a herd. It seems that if one is moving the pigs they are then a drove. The expression “a sounder” apparently is reserved for wild pigs.[/quote] I have read herd ( Matthew 8:31 ).[quote]

Chihuahuas are fairly nasty-tempered animals, as personal opinion. There is no way people would tolerate their typical disposition in a larger dog.[/quote] Do you know why?
Hostility.
That is the key word. I can handle rage but hostility makes hatred arise in me, that is why I said “I hate those dogs”. Simply because it is the very nature of hostility that makes it unable for you to fight it; because it is so SMALL and so petty. Think about it, that is why you said “no way” people would tolerate this in a bigger dog. At first, it is the “image of cute” then the hostility to compensate for the size so you “feel” bad for squashing it, or wanting to squash it - so it gets away with it. And it is this injustice that also makes hatred arise in me because they are true aggressors and you can’t eliminate them on account of their “size” or “cute” factor. And those bulging eyes…so manipulative. Then, the bite!
No dignity.

Chihuahuas are the essential form of attitude without substance, which is the image of hostility.

I like Dobermans. Loyal, playful, intelligent, protective and dignified.[quote]

My ex-fiancee[/quote]I am glad that is over.
:slight_smile: I kid I kid ! Forgive me for being cheeky - the intention was to cheer you up.[quote]
who grew up in Maine, speaks of “patting” an animal regardless that the action in mind is stroking, not patting, so apparently there can be variability.

So what expression do you use for gently stroking an animal?[/quote]

Caress.
In British English the word is also “to pat” “to stroke”, mostly, but I always use caress because it should express the very action of ‘carino’ which is Spanish for affection ( Brazilian Portuguese is ‘carinho’ ).

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
(I don’t know the expression for a group of pigs.)[/quote]
I have read herd ( Matthew 8:31 ).[/quote]

You’re right! I should have remembered that. :slight_smile:

Do you know why?

Hostility.

That is the key word. I can handle rage but hostility makes hatred arise in me, that is why I said “I hate those dogs”. Simply because it is the very nature of hostility that makes it unable for you to fight it; because it is so SMALL and so petty. Think about it, that is why you said “no way” people would tolerate this in a bigger dog. At first, it is the “image of cute” then the hostility to compensate for the size so you “feel” bad for squashing it, or wanting to squash it - so it gets away with it. And it is this injustice that also makes hatred arise in me because they are true aggressors and you can’t eliminate them on account of their “size” or “cute” factor. And those bulging eyes…so manipulative. Then, the bite!

No dignity.[/quote]
I had just assumed they are the product of breeding programs that can’t even be called ill-conceived, because they aren’t conceived at all: or if they are, it is purely for size and shape with no regard for temperament. Somewhere along the line, the wiring went very wrong in that particular type of dog.

A far preferable dog!

[quote] My ex-fiancee[/quote]I am glad that is over.
:slight_smile: I kid I kid ! Forgive me for being cheeky - the intention was to cheer you up.[quote]
who grew up in Maine, speaks of “patting” an animal regardless that the action in mind is stroking, not patting, so apparently there can be variability.

Caress.
In British English the word is also “to pat” “to stroke”, mostly, but I always use caress because it should express the very action of ‘carino’ which is Spanish for affection ( Brazilian Portuguese is ‘carinho’ ).
[/quote]
Ah, well that makes sense!

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

I had just assumed they are the product of breeding programs that can’t even be called ill-conceived, because they aren’t conceived at all: or if they are, it is purely for size and shape with no regard for temperament. Somewhere along the line, the wiring went very wrong in that particular type of dog.
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Of course, you are correct. I was merely pointing out the particular element of the creature’s nature which made them intolerable, at least to my person.
Putting your reply and mine together I think we can safely assume Chihuahuas are wannabe Dobermans, :slight_smile:

Just curious, may I ask when and how you got your shoulder injury? ( I remember you said last year you had some time off training then got back to the gym )

Well, I’ve probably always had at least somewhat poor ROM but which I never really recognized as such, being used to it and not running into practical problems.

On further thinking, if I posted earlier that I used to be able to do the backstroke, on more precise recollection that is true only of childhood. As an adult when swimming on my back I’ve always used what might be called an inverted breast stroke, and probably could not have done an inverted crawl stroke (or whatever the correct terminology is.)

Actually my right side also has quite poor ROM, though substantially better than the left. And there are no pain or exercise limitation problems on the right at all. So injury isn’t necessarily the cause of the poor ROM.

It was about 2 1/2 years ago that I got back into the gym after a long layoff due to a bad relationship. I did have problems on both sides, the left being worse, for which I got deep tissue massage / neuromuscular therapy and all the same muscles as now were painful to the pressure applied. But there were no exercise issues.

It may just be a question of constant inflammation (if that actually exists) eventually reaching a point of having been too chronic.

There were also a few insults absorbed along the way.

For an extended stretch I had neglected doing DB pullovers (a shame, because my ROM for reaching like that had been better and might have been maintained had I continued doing them. On trying to resume them and discovering that I couldn’t reach back nearly as far as should be the case, I got the idea of using the DB to aid stretching. Now, for pseudo-DC-style stretching I’d found that a weight about 1/3 of 1RM was suitable. The DB I chose was within that range.

Well, for this attempted stretch it was truly stupid. Definitely hurt myself some with that one, but there didn’t seem to be really lasting damage.

Another problem was that I had been doing Larry Scott-style triceps extensions, where you’re bent over with the elbows on a bench, near the ears, and using the cable machine. Great exercise. Maybe I had taken a month or two off from it, I don’t recall, but I had been doing it OK. Well, this time it hurt quite a lot, but I made myself complete the set anyway. Dumb.

But again, seemingly no lasting damage.

The final insult was that I had the stupid idea (there does seem to be a pattern here) of doing a DL specialization program but doing it with an Eastern Bloc sort of frequency and volume approach. Of course people always say you can’t train the DL that often, but my lower back is pretty much bulletproof.

I really did not appreciate my DL being under 500 lb – it was at 485 – and was quite determined to get it past 500 with this program.

Well, a few weeks into it, it was hurting under my left shoulder while doing DL’s. I made myself continue doing them as the pain was really not all that bad and I really thought that if I avoided really retracting the scapulae at the top but just maintained neutral shoulder position I should be OK.

That is what started the at least 3 month period of then being unable to do DL’s, rows, or any sort of overhead pulling movement at all.

I had reintroduced DLs with the Gironda 8x8 program, and after finishing that let the weight drift up slowly though still keeping it extremely light.

Tried doing Thibaudeau’s approach yesterday as the second workout of the day (not much of a workout, just come in and do some sets of 3 then 2 in the DL) and while I was very slightly bothered when getting up to the top planned weight which was only 325 – although as explosive as possible so the actual force applied was greater – this morning it does feel a little bothered in the same place that it had hurt before with DL’s, so that sucks. I am sure I didn’t do anything serious with it but it suggests that I may be a long way from, if ever, getting back to using decent weight in the DL.