I pull/strained (I don’t know) my right pec a month ago, it was quite swollen and painful. I’m also a hemophiliac, so I’m sure that attributed to some of the pain/swelling. Now, a month later I have all the strength back, but it is very tight, and I feel it stretching to the limit when I am at the bottom of dumbell presses. Much tighter than the left.
Is there anything I can do, besides stretching daily, to return to the full ROM?
When I injured my AC Joint ( Connects your clavicle to your shoulder) my pec was also very stiff especially on the lower half of the bench press. I worked with a former powerlifter who had the same type of injury and he helped me with a program that made him able to still workout his shoulder/chest while he was still recovering to keep his strength yet at the same time reduce the stiffness in the muscle. What we basically did was say for bench press take a weight that was extremely light, for me it was 135, and just focus on the negative movement. We would use 10 second counts on the weigh down and 2 second on the weigh up. the same for shoulder press with 95 pounds, 10 seconds down 2 seconds up. This allowed me to still get in a workout because my muscles were not used to doing this type of negative press, and it restored my flexibility because it was basially a weighted stretch.
Also Push ups really helped me alot, because my shoulders and chest were fairely strong I was able to do them without pain. I would week by week go lower with high reps until i was able to get a full ROM back. Hope this helps and i did experience some pain at the begining, as if i was stretching for the first time. But you know your body if it feels wrong i wouldnt recomend doing it.
I have poor ROM from a different cause, but a piece of advice that helped me may help you.
Coach Thibaudeau recently posted, with reference to the highly explosive turnaround point in his method of doing reps, that for the bench press this shouldn’t be lower than the point that the hands will naturally drop without holding any weight. For some people this will be several inches above the chest.
I’ve applied the same principle to other lifts. For example I now set the seat height for machine dips where I can by myself get my hands into position without any great deal of force pulling them up, and go no lower on overhead presses than my hands naturally drop without holding a weight. This really has helped.
Stretching is important, but the way to do it really isn’t with a heavy weight forcing you inches below what is already a point of discomfort beginning and then on top of this exerting strong muscular force at the same time. Doing the exercise can mask how extreme the stretch actually is.
So you could try seeing where your hands naturally drop on their own weight and not go lower than this on the presses, and doing your stretching as dedicated stretches rather than as strains during your lifting.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I have poor ROM from a different cause[/quote]
Bill, if this is still your chronic soft tissue shoulder problem you may, if you haven’t already, look into Actovegin ( also known by elite cyclists as the “Gas Bus”: and Lance Armstrong has allegedly cheated on it, of course ) and/or blood spinning. Apparently, this is what the Elite Sports Medicine Injury Doctor of Top athletes was being famous ( and getting caught ) for. He has been referred to on other papers as “The Miracle Man”:
"Dr. Galea said he had used Actovegin to treat several Argonauts playersâ?? injuries, but Mr. Cynamon said he was not aware of that.
The use of platelet therapy, which has become more prevalent in sports medicine in recent years, is believed by some doctors to dramatically speed up recovery times. Platelet-rich plasma is created by putting a small amount of the patientâ??s blood in a centrifuge, which separates the red blood cells from the platelets that release proteins and other particles involved in the body’s healing process. No more than a teaspoon of the substance is injected into the damaged area. In some cases, the high concentration of platelets - from 3 to 10 times that of normal blood - catalyzes the growth of new soft-tissue or bone cells.
The treatment catalyzes the body’s instincts to repair muscle and other tissue, said Dr. Allan Mishra, an assistant professor of orthopedics at Stanford University and one of the primary researchers in the field. Dr. Mishra and other doctors say that the technique appears to help regenerate ligament and tendon fibres."
Thank you!
But I think the real difficulty is that the ultimate cause of the problem is not known. It isn’t clear that physical damage per se is the cause of the tightness and shortness of some of the muscles involved. Rather, whatever damage there is is I think caused by those, rather than those being caused by injury.
Though maybe not.
In any case, the above sounds expen$ive.
Actually I’ve been making progress at a pretty good rate lately. The above-mentioned advice from CT has helped. Also, while I have disliked doing it, cutting down from 2 or more days per week of training a muscle group with relatively heavy weight to having only one such workout per 8 days and the other being Gironda 8x8 style, or no heavier than 5x10-with-60-seconds-rest style for things that are doing better – and keeping rows at light weight at all times – seems to be helping a lot.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
But I think the real difficulty is that the ultimate cause of the problem is not known. It isn’t clear that physical damage per se is the cause of the tightness and shortness of some of the muscles involved. Rather, whatever damage there is is I think caused by those, rather than those being caused by injury.[/quote] Bill, it sounds like you have Frozen Shoulder.
This is a condition diagnosed here in the UK which sounds much like what you are experiencing.
I have a close friend age 50 who has just overcome that. Telling you how long it lasted is futile because I know her circumstances in detail and I don’t know under what conditions it hit you. It usually affects adults between the ages of 40 to 60. My friend found the swimming essential, amongst other things. If you do have frozen shoulder I really recommend you get one of these ( see picture ). A man of your size and strength will not be encouraged to just tread water and by swimming with large paddles you add “weight” to the water ( really increases resistance ) and it makes the swimming experience more exciting for weight lifters who get bored with “just swimming” ( I get bored in the water if not training at elite level ).
It is imperative, however, that you nail your technique down. I highly recommend breast stroke and backstroke. For variation and challenge try butterfly drills focusing on one arm at a time; google it to learn or, alternatively you can fly me to Florida and I will give you a lesson in exchange for a can of Spike Shooter Quila and Lime with vodka, ;)… [quote]
In any case, the above sounds expen$ive.[/quote] I am not expensive. I am very cheap. Just the one can in the Florida sunshine. Biotest can pay for my flight.
Ok, all kidding aside; Actovegin is available for intra muscular injection and it is not expensive. It is produced in Austria by a Swiss pharmaceutical company. There may be a link with frozen shoulder and glucose levels and Actovegin claims some effect on blood glucose as far as I can recall but I trust you to look it up and connect the dots. Should you want to try Actovegin and have difficulty obtaining it, pm me if you think I can help.
One very important recommendation, and what has been a great tool in my injury recovery is:
Light therapy-Low Level Laser treatment(Q1000) combined with the SCENAR.
My doctor and friend of 10 years has successfully treated me with these.
You may be able to find a practitioner who has these machines in the US. If you want more information on these send me a pm and I will forward you the link to her page where she explains these therapeutical tools and I can give you 10 years of experience with these - she has run some really high voltages on me - in fact I am the only patient that has gone to use the electric max. That was last week where with the help of KSman, who suggested elbow tendinitis ( which I had developed ) might start with neck or shoulder problems - I then booked an appointment with my doctor and asked her to apply the above treatment on a precise spot on my neck where I suspected the origin of the tightness ( the SCENAR electronically confirmed this ) and the scapula stiffness and subsequent elbow inflammation melted away.
Yes, my ART practitioner has used that phrase, but says it is improving pretty well. Actually at this point the shoulder is now moving better than the left scapula is, but his approach for the present is to still put much more of the work into freeing the shoulder and on further improvement there, then really work on the scapula moving better.
There truly is no decent place to swim here. My gym does not have a pool: the pool in the club that does have one has been described to me by many people as being a cesspool. Nearby there are no suitable natural bodies of water where one is allowed to swim. Well, hmmm… hypothetically the Wave Pool at Silver Springs might be swimmable. (It really is not intended for that.) I ought to check it out. Don’t know if it’s open in January though: quite possibly not.
It also might be that the Oklawaha River could be swimmable: it will be cold this time of year (back when I used to actually swim in North Florida rivers in the winter, the water was 59 degrees) and I am not sure the water is reasonably clean enough. Just don’t know. There is also the alligator issue, but I never let that bother me before. Of course, that quite arguably was out of stupidity.
It’s the crawlstroke motion that the ROM problem really would make challenging or perhaps impossible. Breast stroke would be easy enough; don’t know about backstroke.
For some reason I thought that what you described involved custom spinning-down of one’s own blood, which would be expensive. Also there was no logical reason for me to think this and I don’t know why I did. Very interesting that it is a pre-made injection. A practical problem would be that I rather doubt I could get my ART practitioner to inject it, I couldn’t reach to do it myself, and I really wouldn’t know where anyway.
The SCENAR sounds very interesting. I’ll try to learn more on it.
Thanks!!
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There truly is no decent place to swim here. My gym does not have a pool: the pool in the club that does have one has been described to me by many people as being a cesspool. Nearby there are no suitable natural bodies of water where one is allowed to swim. Well, hmmm… hypothetically the Wave Pool at Silver Springs might be swimmable. (It really is not intended for that.) I ought to check it out. Don’t know if it’s open in January though: quite possibly not.
It also might be that the Oklawaha River could be swimmable: it will be cold this time of year (back when I used to actually swim in North Florida rivers in the winter, the water was 59 degrees) and I am not sure the water is reasonably clean enough. Just don’t know. There is also the alligator issue, but I never let that bother me before. Of course, that quite arguably was out of stupidity.[/quote]
Are you crazy?! I really admired you there when you surprised me in the art thread where I learnt of your motorcycle “skillz that killz” but Bill, I just watched the reprise of a documentary on Florida today and the alligators are simply JURASSIC. The main focus of the program, however, was on the invasion of Florida by Burmese PYTHONS. Again, JURASSIC SNAKES…so now I don’t even want to visit Florida any more, which is stupid because that is the same attitude foreigners have about Brazil, that we are in fact, in the middle of the jungle where snakes come into the house - thought his program did show some snakes and lizards coming into people’s gardens and eating their pet birds. I like reptiles and I have three Fire belly Newts - but they are the size of my finger, gently sit on the palm of my hand and are otherwise safely swimming in my fish tank ( they are extremely funny to watch! ).
So yes, though I emphasize with your predicament, I don’t think going into ‘natural pools’ is a wise move because:
It’s the crawlstroke motion that the ROM problem really would make challenging or perhaps impossible.[/quote] That is why I suggested the butterfly drill one arm. Therein lies the that snake like motion ( since we are on reptiles ) of the torso where you have to loosen up otherwise the stroke won’t flow.[quote]
Breast stroke would be easy enough; [/quote] How can I be sure you are not talking about dog paddle? Most people who tell me “I am quite good a breast stroke” and I say to them “Show me what you can do” - they do the dog paddle. I am not saying you are one of them - not at all. Just that technically correct, the breast stroke arm action is more complex than butterfly. Your scapula should be moving in three different directions during a correct stroke.
( lengthen, widen and uplift motions in one swift whip - add those large paddles then tell me if it is ‘easy enough’ ).[quote]
don’t know about backstroke.[/quote] There is a movement in Tai Chi which is similar to the back stroke arm rotation which is used precisely to release the tension in the neck and shoulder. My coach had me perfect it and I felt light headed from the released tension.
You can do that out of the water and safe from the reptiles.[quote]
For some reason I thought that what you described involved custom spinning-down of one’s own blood, which would be expensive. Also there was no logical reason for me to think this and I don’t know why I did. Very interesting that it is a pre-made injection. A practical problem would be that I rather doubt I could get my ART practitioner to inject it, I couldn’t reach to do it myself, and I really wouldn’t know where anyway.[/quote] Yes, the blood spinning is one. I think this pioneer doctor combines that with Actovegin and possibly GH. I understand he is swimming in reptile waters as he got caught on Canadian borders with GH and Actovegin which he is claiming was for personal use. He is 50 and looks so young - I must have his protocol.
You can contact the company that sells Actovegin or google an elite cyclist forum and find out there - I was about to order it for myself but have to attend to the estrogen rebound at the moment so I am focusing on Nolvadex.[quote]
The SCENAR sounds very interesting. I’ll try to learn more on it.
Thanks!![/quote]
You are welcome.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There truly is no decent place to swim here. My gym does not have a pool: the pool in the club that does have one has been described to me by many people as being a cesspool. Nearby there are no suitable natural bodies of water where one is allowed to swim. Well, hmmm… hypothetically the Wave Pool at Silver Springs might be swimmable. (It really is not intended for that.) I ought to check it out. Don’t know if it’s open in January though: quite possibly not.
It also might be that the Oklawaha River could be swimmable: it will be cold this time of year (back when I used to actually swim in North Florida rivers in the winter, the water was 59 degrees) and I am not sure the water is reasonably clean enough. Just don’t know. There is also the alligator issue, but I never let that bother me before. Of course, that quite arguably was out of stupidity.[/quote]
Are you crazy?! I really admired you there when you surprised me in the art thread where I learnt of your motorcycle “skillz that killz” but Bill, I just watched the reprise of a documentary on Florida today and the alligators are simply JURASSIC. The main focus of the program, however, was on the invasion of Florida by Burmese PYTHONS. Again, JURASSIC SNAKES…so now I don’t even want to visit Florida any more, which is stupid because that is the same attitude foreigners have about Brazil, that we are in fact, in the middle of the jungle where snakes come into the house - thought his program did show some snakes and lizards coming into people’s gardens and eating their pet birds. [/quote]
The real danger, for vastly the greater part, of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and, very sadly, to young children who wander by the water’s edge. Attacks on adult humans are rare, though I have to admit it also is rare for Floridians to swim in the rivers. Everyone always told me I was stupid to do it.
(People seem to have an exception though for certain very clear rivers and fairly fast flowing rivers coming off of springs, which are popular in the summer not so much for swimming, but for riding down in tubes. Most rivers are not very clear, not from pollution though but from I think tannins leached from decaying vegetation. And are not so fast flowing that alligators would be unlikely to swim up them.)
However, my theory is that alligators do have to breathe, and so presumably there would be a sign of one being in the general area, at least most of the time. And when not, then most of the time they’re not going to attack an adult human. I do admit it probably is an inadvisable risk anyway.
What really pissed me off is that the University of Florida (my alma mater) of all things decided they were going to get the alligators off of campus. Can you believe it. There weren’t any tremendous number of them anyway other than in Lake Alice, but every now and then you’d see one in a drainage ditch. Once I saw one that was just utterly huge. His body alone had to be nearly 8 feet, with a similarly long tail to go with it. Broad and beefy, too. Just sitting there in the drainage ditch though, a few feet away from the sidewalk. Impressive.
Now some weenie liberal administrator types say, no more gators on campus. Ironic, actually.
That does make it conclusive then. It would have to be indoor then, but I’d have to drive an hour I think to do that (to Gainesville Health and Fitness) though it’s possible there’s a sanitary indoor pool closer than that. But I wouldn’t know where.
Well, my “breast stroke” is very different from a dog paddle, but I’d entirely question as to whether it is technically correct.
[quote] There is a movement in Tai Chi which is similar to the back stroke arm rotation which is used precisely to release the tension in the neck and shoulder. My coach had me perfect it and I felt light headed from the released tension.
You can do that out of the water and safe from the reptiles.[/quote]
I’ll give it a try!
I had tried a crawl stroke motion, as I’d been asked to do that while pressure was being applied in ART, and it was really unusually painful. It turned out to be quite painful at home without the ART, so I asked if I’d be aggravating the problem by doing it, or whether it would help loosen things up: I was advised I’d be aggravating it if I went past the point of moderate discomfort. And the ROM if limited to just moderate discomfort just really doesn’t include a crawl stroke at all. I’ll try the backstroke.
Well, anything even close to a backstroke that would work for swimming is impossible: the hand wouldn’t even get into the water.
However I can try a version that would never work for swimming and doesn’t even look like it, but is perhaps the closest possible approximation, and see if it helps.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The real danger, for vastly the greater part, of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and, very sadly, to young children who wander by the water’s edge. Attacks on adult humans are rare, though I have to admit it also is rare for Floridians to swim in the rivers. Everyone always told me I was stupid to do it.[/quote]That is not stupidity. That is something else - quite possibly your adventurous/daredevil streak. It is impressive and awe inspiring in itself and ( that is why my choice of word to interpret such move was crazy ) here is why:
My theory is that, assuming you are a visceral man by secondary function, cerebral being the first, that seemingly act of ‘stupidity’ is simply a ‘putting yourself in a position’ where, were you to have an encounter with an alligator, it would have provided you with the ultimate and most primordial visceral experience worth dying for - that is how I measure my risk takings anyway, ;)…Been there, done the crazy and the stupid and gave my parents premature boldness… Besides you are a big man from your stats. Stupidity would be if you were small enough to go down in one bite and without a fight. [quote]
What really pissed me off is that the University of Florida (my alma mater) of all things decided they were going to get the alligators off of campus. Can you believe it.[/quote] Now that is stupidity.[quote] There weren’t any tremendous number of them anyway other than in Lake Alice, but every now and then you’d see one in a drainage ditch. Once I saw one that was just utterly huge. His body alone had to be nearly 8 feet, with a similarly long tail to go with it. Broad and beefy, too. Just sitting there in the drainage ditch though, a few feet away from the sidewalk. Impressive.[/quote]
Indeed! Now you got me excited to visit Florida, must have been a visceral sight, awe inspiring. I bet they remove a national symbol and replace it with a mediocre “work of art” worth thousands of dollars, when all the while the alligator was a living and breathing art piece.[quote]
That does make it conclusive then. It would have to be indoor then, but I’d have to drive an hour I think to do that (to Gainesville Health and Fitness) though it’s possible there’s a sanitary indoor pool closer than that. But I wouldn’t know where.[/quote] Does the campus not have an Olympic pool? In thawing out your frozen shoulder, can you not get into a sauna then hit the pool? That would be ideal. What about a hydro massage? I am thinking even a gentle massage in a jacuzzi after 15 minutes in the sauna - but that would be so boring just sitting there… put some wine in a sports bottle and pretend it is a protein shake ).[quote]
Well, anything even close to a backstroke that would work for swimming is impossible: the hand wouldn’t even get into the water.
However I can try a version that would never work for swimming and doesn’t even look like it, but is perhaps the closest possible approximation, and see if it helps.[/quote]
It does seem like you have frozen shoulder. You could try lying on your back on the sauna bench with the worst arm in question hanging out and try to do a backstroke arm action in the intense heat. The arm needs to come as close to the ear as possible, brush the ear as we say in swimming, with the palm of your hand facing out ( away from the head ). Then, once parallel with your ear, or as close to the top as possible, bring the arm away from the ear, bend at the elbow to a 90 degrees angle ( like forming a cross position but keeping the forearm facing the sky and not pointing to the horizon ), then proceed fold the forearm as in a down ward motion. If that is not possible at the moment, just move from the streamlined position ( arm brushing the ear ) to the cross position ( that is mechanically counting two actions instead of three ).
I hope this helps.
UF is also an hour’s drive away now, and as I’m not a registered student anymore I probably could not use any of the pools there. Btw, I really should have included a piece of information, though it’s possible you already knew it, but really you’d have to know an amazing amount of Americana in general to happen to have it already. It is not as if Americans know the nicknames of many if any British universities. Anyway, just as if one goes to Florida State University one “is” a Seminole, or if Kentucky one “is” a Wildcat, if one goes to UF one “is” a Gator. Thus it truly is shameful of the administration to get the alligators off of the campus, above and beyond general principles as well.
Actually I don’t know that they succeeded in this, but only that it was reported in the newspaper a year or two ago that they were going to do this.
Stretching in the sauna has seemed a little better than doing so at room temperature: I’ll go back to trying that.
I’ve lately moved away from using the sauna and instead using the whirlpool with jets aimed at the worst areas. Actually I have no problem with the whirlpool being boring: I always have thoughts of some sort running through the head.
I’ll try a pseudo-backstroke in the sauna. I won’t presently be able to come close to the real thing: trying your description above, the elbow can’t get closer than about 8" to the ear, with the upper arm cocked at least 30 degrees upwards, and the palm can’t face out: it is maybe 45 degrees away from that at best. Well, at least now I know what should be possible! 
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
UF is also an hour’s drive away now, and as I’m not a registered student anymore I probably could not use any of the pools there. Btw, I really should have included a piece of information, though it’s possible you already knew it, but really you’d have to know an amazing amount of Americana in general to happen to have it already. It is not as if Americans know the nicknames of many if any British universities. Anyway, just as if one goes to Florida State University one “is” a Seminole, or if Kentucky one “is” a Wildcat, if one goes to UF one “is” a Gator. Thus it truly is shameful of the administration to get the alligators off of the campus, above and beyond general principles as well.[/quote] They got rid off the university mascot! How could the students not go on a strike over this?! It cannot and does not get any better than this; to have a living mascot such as a colossal alligator, this kind of art is priceless.
I only know 2 Americans and one Canadian, and one American is European born. Thank you for educating me on the cultural aspect: I would have probably want to study at Kentucky just to “be” a Wildcat…but would have probably ended up at UF on account of the living animal in campus - and to get a boyfriend who was a “Gator”, which is actually coming to think of it even more wild.[quote]
I’ve lately moved away from using the sauna and instead using the whirlpool with jets aimed at the worst areas.[/quote] This is very good! That was what I had in mind with the jacuzzi. try to do both: Sauna Xmin then jump in the whirlpool 1/2Xmin and try to SENSE the pulse you sense in your heart when the heat of the sauna is most intense IN the injured area when you are massaging it with the pool jet - does that make sense? The frozen shoulder most likely has deadened from tension and the sensation, actually, I am curious: what is the sensation in that area? If you can focus on the electric circuit of a healthy area and then compare that with the electric impulse on the area where the block is, you may be able to unlock it ( ok, this is difficult for me to explain on paper ).
Just try to focus your senses on the electric output of the locked area :
Not what you ‘feel’ but what you are ‘sensing’,there is a subtle but deeper difference - the origin of the pain is not on the feeling of the pain; dull, sharp, etc…but on the sensation of the pain; its pulse, its charge, its wattage, its wave length, frequency and rhythm:
Pay attention to that subtle charge of energy it carries. You will be able to access the origin this way. I do it naturally. Then you work from there and everything releases ( If it is chronic I use the SCENAR to release it but I always identify the point of origin ) .[quote]
Actually I have no problem with the whirlpool being boring: I always have thoughts of some sort running through the head.[/quote] I know you do. That is why your shoulder is still locked up, 
Get out of your mind and sense your body, Mr. Gator. No thoughts, no feelings just use your senses. Try it, you can become almost intoxicated with your senses, without any need for drugs or alcohol.
It is better than thinking or feeling.[quote]
I’ll try a pseudo-backstroke in the sauna. I won’t presently be able to come close to the real thing: trying your description above, the elbow can’t get closer than about 8" to the ear, with the upper arm cocked at least 30 degrees upwards, and the palm can’t face out: it is maybe 45 degrees away from that at best.
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I am not being mean just realistic: Your description does not sound good. I feel for you. I think I would rather loose a few neurons then to be physically restricted - that the only reason why I decided to use PEDS this year; physical self-preservation. I have another idea for you. I just came up with it today, I have never done it before,except as a child on the beach in Brazil: I used to cover myself with sand and sometimes smooth rocks warmed by the sun and just lie there staring at “the ceiling” watching the clouds go by and just sensing the weight of my being.
So when you can’t go out for treatment: Buy some smooth rocks, enough to make a bed of rocks for your shoulder blade and one chest and to cover the shoulder socket completely.
( so as to create a gravitational pull of some sort; you should sense the area weighed down ).
Put all the rocks in a bowl/bucket and cover it with hot water. Boil some more water and wet a towel wit it and squeeze excess water out. Once the rocks have absorbed the heat ( do not use HOT rocks, warmth is what we are aiming for with solidity and weight ) make the bed of rocks on the warm towel, lie your shoulder on it and cover it with the rest of the rocks as if you were creating a “cast” for our chest and arm.
It is not scientific but it is childlike fun and will provide a pure sensual experience.
And yo never know, my “art” might just heal your arm,
Get well!
Alpha F
Thanks! I’ll try!
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The real danger, for vastly the greater part, of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and, very sadly, to young children who wander by the water’s edge. [/quote]
Sorry Bill, but your posts keep reminding me of that comic
Too bad there’s no sentence-structure-wizard comic on PBF…
Oh and I wish everyone a speedy recovery…
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The real danger, for vastly the greater part, of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and, very sadly, to young children who wander by the water’s edge. [/quote]
Sorry Bill, but your posts keep reminding me of that comic
Too bad there’s no sentence-structure-wizard comic on PBF…[/quote]
You know, I actually liked stacking the verbs at the end in German. I also prefer Reverse Polish Notation for calculators.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The real danger, for vastly the greater part, of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and, very sadly, to young children who wander by the water’s edge. [/quote]
Sorry Bill, but your posts keep reminding me of that comic
Too bad there’s no sentence-structure-wizard comic on PBF…
[/quote]
Excuse my ignorance but what is wrong with that sentence?
I actually like the way he writes.
It’s different, and in being so it captivates my attention.
Better would have been,
“For vastly the greater part the real danger of alligators in Florida is to pet dogs and young children who wander by the water’s edge.”
My natural tendency is to use too many parenthetical phrases (which I did not do there though), too many phrases set off by commas, and overly long sentences.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is wrong with that sentence?
I actually like the way he writes.
It’s different, and in being so it captivates my attention.
[/quote]
Yes, but you are also clearly crazy.
Haven’t seen you post in the bb forum in a while, I think? How’s the tea these days? Managed to give BBB a heart attack yet?
