I was thinking of you today Huey and then in fornt of me is this…
Whenever a man does a thoroughly stupid thing, it is always from the noblest motives.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900), The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
Funny how the universe conspires to remind us that everything is indeed ok. Everything has its place. So i will give you the benefit of the doubt here. Your intentions are probably good, your just dumb.
Carry on.
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
what science do you need regarding my statements?
is someone going to disagree that as an athlete advances he/she can tolerate more volume, more frequency, shorter rest times, etc?[/quote]
No one’s disagreeing with that. The more advanced a lifter gets, the more volume they can tolerate, WHEN THEY’RE CONCENTRATING ON VOLUME. But in addition, a more advanced lifter also needs more bullets in their gun than just that.
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i don’t need to quote pubmed documents to illustrate this. and there is no science behind OLAD, either. if you don’t ask dan john for scientific journals, why are you asking me for them?[/quote]
We’re not asking Dan John for science because we respect his experience and observations enough to say that if he has observed that OLAD is an effective protocol, then it’s probably worth at least trying to incorporate that philosophy into one of our own programs before we discount it.
You, on the other hand, do not have any kind of respected opinion on this subject. In addition to that, you are also making blanket generalizations and assumptions about everyone on this forum, without knowing a single thing about anyone’s training levels or abilities. You can’t do that (reasonably, anyway) without some logical proof or a respected empirically-based opinion, of which you have neither.
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I don’t think anyone has any problem with
this thread is getting out of hand, i’ve explained the limitations of OLAD for advanced lifters, i’ve explained why <advanced athletes need more work! this is a no brainer!>, and where OLAD falls short in providing what is necessary for an advanced lifter in order to make gains.
yes, OLAD is better than flex magazine routines for most people, but it’s only purpose in an advanced lifter’s <and especially for someone who is primarily concerned about aesthetics/bodybuilding> schedule would be for down time when necessary <busy with work, school, etc>.
not enough frequency, not enough total volume, not enough diversity… thumbs down on OLAD.[/quote]
Another thing to remember too is that not everyone on this site is focused strictly on bodybuilding. Many people on this site are training all-around athletic ability. That includes sprinting, plyos, explosiveness, agility training, etc. This type of training is complemented in the weightroom with speed and power based weigtlifting; neural-focused training, which requires higher weights, lower volume, and longer rest periods for nervous system recovery.
If you are focused entirely on hypertrophy and bodybuilding, then you’re right, your lowest-volume cycles probably will have more volume than OLAD. But for other athletes (even, and especially, advanced ones) focused on other objectives, the philosophies embodied in OLAD are very much a part of their training toolbox.
I can see where Huey was coming from in the first place … but I think he briefly looked over OLAD and dismissed it as something for beginners. Which is easy enough to do, the program is deceptively simple and easy-looking.
Until you do it.
Which Huey hasn’t, and if he did, he would realise how good it is. But he won’t, he’d rather argue blue in the face that it is for noobies, to save face, from his initial jump to conclusions. We all make mistakes like that sometimes, and we all go and defend ourselves later, too.
The only way Huey will be convinced is if he gives it a go.
For everyone else, I also give it two thumbs up, it is a great change, and much harder than it looks, because you are pushing yourself close to 1RM. And yeah, you only train one movement once per week, but man, that means you train the living crap out of it with as much weight as you can handle. And yeah, if you are super advanced and juiced maybe it isn’t as taxing to do the prescribed sets / reps, but you are doing it almost every day of the week, big moves only, big weights, again and again. So it is nothing to sneeze at.
I also looked at it and thought “how hard could it be?” man I was wrong.
I thought “a week off? no way do I need that!” WRONG WRONG WRONG
I think a great follow up is a 3 day a week full body workout, after the week off of course.
Huey give it a go, only 4 weeks see how it goes. It’s good. I haven’t heard anyone say “yeah I did it, it was crap”.
I just finished my first week…and im already not looking forward to the 7x5 deadlifts coming back around in the rotation in a few weeks lol. I think thats probably the best aspect about this for me so far, that im able to fully put everything into something taxing like deads and not worry about draining myself. I was very happy the workout was over and i didnt have to do anything else! Granted for the upper body exercises i wanted to keep going, so i just threw in something easy like forearm work at the end.
For me its simple, if my strength goes up…then im happy. I dont think this was ever claimed to be a program for bodybuilders. I lift for strength, so this is probably right up my alley.