The main take away point here is each under privileged black man is the hidden messiah of any world record athletic endeavor ever attempted.
“Tha white man on TNation be keepin us down, Mastah”
if street players (and 1 mixtapes guys included) had 1/10th the basketball skill (not fucking street ball skill) MJ had they would get noticed, as someone mentioned, they do get noticed, and not one of them has made many ripples in the nba. its an enormous what if…
/derail
LWH you are a tank, this is kind of random but what do you do for a living? I feel like i read you are cop? Just curious if i remember correctly. I played fullback and linebacker for 4 years, wish I couldve been handed the ball a few times. How was moving to the line in semi pro?
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.
2 points and I’m out.
Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.
That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.
As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.
Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]
This goes with what I was saying, but it seems like some guys prefer to remain ignorant.[/quote]
THis post is very relevant, I agree completely.
I can only imagine the countless trials one of these bench press/incline world record holders had to go through to get access to an incline bench and barbell. It gives me goose bumps just thinking how difficult it is to get a gym membership, but the fact that they went out there and FUCKING DID IT…it’s just so inspiring.
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
LWH, you mentioned some pages back that you pair exercises for reduced time in the gym. Are you essentially doing 2-3 pairs then call it quits?
A1
A2
B1
B2
C1
C2
Something like this? If so, what do you combine with legs?[/quote]
That’s pretty much it.
Right now it looks something like this:
A1 Chest - Inclines
A2 Back - Rows
B1 R shoulder - Lat Raise
B2 L Shoulder - Lat Raise
Then I do forearms and calves and depending on how much weight I am working with that day I may pair them or do antagonistic sets.
For legs:
A1 Stiff Leg Deadlifts
A2 Squats
(I don’t go too heavy if I am pairing these, but some weeks I may go heavier and do all deads one day and all squats the next. Just as many as I can get in in that time period)
B1 Tris
B2 Bis
The day before I missed calves and forearms so I did those at the end of the leg/arms workout, yesterday. I tend to concentrate on the major muscle groups first and if I miss the smaller ones, work them in later in the day or next session.
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.
2 points and I’m out.
Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.
That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.
As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.
Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]
This goes with what I was saying, but it seems like some guys prefer to remain ignorant.[/quote]
Right. I’m ignorant.
Listen, guys, I’m sorry if you think I’m ignorant for being skeptical that someone has a lift that world record holders don’t have. That’s really all it comes down to. You can play the “you never know” card all want, and that may be true to some extent, but excuse me for being SKEPTICAL.
I honestly feel bad for people who aren’t skeptical. It’s like someone has pulled the rug of rationality right out from under you.
And there is a huge difference between saying someone had the talent, genetics, etc. for being better than the best, but lacked guidance or whatever, and saying that someone IS better than the best of all time.
And Lou - you watched MJ every chance you got. WF has played ball with NBA players and other players of high caliber and said the difference is night and day. You can reference those And1 guys all you want, but there is a reason they aren’t getting signed to pro teams for big contracts…because on the whole, they can’t hack it in the NBA. If they could, they would, because sports have shown us that teams are willing to bet on risky players over and over again. Shit, Ron Artest still has a job.
Sure Loudoug, you make good points. But this isn’t someone claiming a 10 second 100 meter dash online. It’s akin to someone claiming a 9.4 second 100 meter dash and that is something people will not accept on faith.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
LWH, you mentioned some pages back that you pair exercises for reduced time in the gym. Are you essentially doing 2-3 pairs then call it quits?
A1
A2
B1
B2
C1
C2
Something like this? If so, what do you combine with legs?[/quote]
That’s pretty much it.
Right now it looks something like this:
A1 Chest - Inclines
A2 Back - Rows
B1 R shoulder - Lat Raise
B2 L Shoulder - Lat Raise
Then I do forearms and calves and depending on how much weight I am working with that day I may pair them or do antagonistic sets.
For legs:
A1 Stiff Leg Deadlifts
A2 Squats
(I don’t go too heavy if I am pairing these, but some weeks I may go heavier and do all deads one day and all squats the next. Just as many as I can get in in that time period)
B1 Tris
B2 Bis
Yesterday, I missed calves and forearms so I did those at the end of the leg/arms workout.
[/quote]
hey lew, just curious what you do for forearms?
Sorry, Lew. I started a thread in GAL so we can all stop fucking up Lews thread.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/better_than_the_best
Please continue discussion there.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
if street players (and 1 mixtapes guys included) had 1/10th the basketball skill (not fucking street ball skill) MJ had they would get noticed, as someone mentioned, they do get noticed, and not one of them has made many ripples in the nba. its an enormous what if…
/derail
LWH you are a tank, this is kind of random but what do you do for a living? I feel like i read you are cop? Just curious if i remember correctly. I played fullback and linebacker for 4 years, wish I couldve been handed the ball a few times. How was moving to the line in semi pro? [/quote]
Budget officer at a college. Was looking to go into law enforcement, but unfortunately, too much of a pay cut to make that work out financially.
I liked the line in semi-pro. Especially being so much shorter than the guys i was going up against. It was much easier to get up under them and move them out of the way so the LBs could shoot the gaps or even drive the O lineman back far enough to bust up a play.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.
2 points and I’m out.
Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.
That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.
As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.
Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]
Dude did you ever play ball? I have and still do at the age of 32. You mentioning the AND 1,what a joke. If you ever watched the shows you would have seen a guy by the name of “Springs” who was one of top guys on the show. Well I played against him in high school, and I shut his ass down everytime we played. You wanna know how good I am? I played Community College basketball LOL!
If you asked me to check an NBA level player I would have gotten smoked everytime, some guys have it some don’t. But please don’t accuse these of using Youtube as a point of reference, then you go and use AND 1 as yours. Also I currently coach basketball and if anyone could please send that guy that know one knows about but is better than MJ over to my team, I would greatly appreciate it, thanks.
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
LWH, you mentioned some pages back that you pair exercises for reduced time in the gym. Are you essentially doing 2-3 pairs then call it quits?
A1
A2
B1
B2
C1
C2
Something like this? If so, what do you combine with legs?[/quote]
That’s pretty much it.
Right now it looks something like this:
A1 Chest - Inclines
A2 Back - Rows
B1 R shoulder - Lat Raise
B2 L Shoulder - Lat Raise
Then I do forearms and calves and depending on how much weight I am working with that day I may pair them or do antagonistic sets.
For legs:
A1 Stiff Leg Deadlifts
A2 Squats
(I don’t go too heavy if I am pairing these, but some weeks I may go heavier and do all deads one day and all squats the next. Just as many as I can get in in that time period)
B1 Tris
B2 Bis
Yesterday, I missed calves and forearms so I did those at the end of the leg/arms workout.
[/quote]
hey lew, just curious what you do for forearms? [/quote]
Simple forearm curls and I bought a pair of fat grips to use on exercises and that has seemed to help as well. After using those in a session, direct forearm work seems a bit tougher and I get a pretty good pump with lighter weights
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
if street players (and 1 mixtapes guys included) had 1/10th the basketball skill (not fucking street ball skill) MJ had they would get noticed, as someone mentioned, they do get noticed, and not one of them has made many ripples in the nba. its an enormous what if…
/derail
LWH you are a tank, this is kind of random but what do you do for a living? I feel like i read you are cop? Just curious if i remember correctly. I played fullback and linebacker for 4 years, wish I couldve been handed the ball a few times. How was moving to the line in semi pro? [/quote]
Budget officer at a college. Was looking to go into law enforcement, but unfortunately, too much of a pay cut to make that work out financially.
I liked the line in semi-pro. Especially being so much shorter than the guys i was going up against. It was much easier to get up under them and move them out of the way so the LBs could shoot the gaps or even drive the O lineman back far enough to bust up a play. [/quote]
Sounds like fun man. I was always trying to get big enough to play on the line but by senior year I was only 230 so I still couldn’t. Glad to hear a fb got to knock some olinemen around.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
LWH, you mentioned some pages back that you pair exercises for reduced time in the gym. Are you essentially doing 2-3 pairs then call it quits?
A1
A2
B1
B2
C1
C2
Something like this? If so, what do you combine with legs?[/quote]
That’s pretty much it.
Right now it looks something like this:
A1 Chest - Inclines
A2 Back - Rows
B1 R shoulder - Lat Raise
B2 L Shoulder - Lat Raise
Then I do forearms and calves and depending on how much weight I am working with that day I may pair them or do antagonistic sets.
For legs:
A1 Stiff Leg Deadlifts
A2 Squats
(I don’t go too heavy if I am pairing these, but some weeks I may go heavier and do all deads one day and all squats the next. Just as many as I can get in in that time period)
B1 Tris
B2 Bis
Yesterday, I missed calves and forearms so I did those at the end of the leg/arms workout.
[/quote]
hey lew, just curious what you do for forearms? [/quote]
Simple forearm curls and I bought a pair of fat grips to use on exercises and that has seemed to help as well. After using those in a session, direct forearm work seems a bit tougher and I get a pretty good pump with lighter weights
[/quote]
awesome, thanks. ive had a pair of fat gripz i havent used in a few months, guess i should get back on those.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.
2 points and I’m out.
Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.
That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.
As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.
Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]
This is easily one of the dumbest things ever written.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.
2 points and I’m out.
Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.
That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.
As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.
Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]
This is easily one of the dumbest things ever written.[/quote]
True and I’m assuming the poster hasn’t competed at a high level or prolly any level at that. I played against some of the best high schoolers at Ohio State’s camp before my senior year. I was damn good, but the top guys were just a lil bigger, a lil faster, and had the same ball skills as me. Not all men were create equal and the cream rises to the top.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.
2 points and I’m out.
Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.
That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.
As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.
Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]
This is easily one of the dumbest things ever written.[/quote]
X 10000000
Knowbody is benching 495 for 10 plus reps on the incline in the world.
Anyone who is talented enough for the NBA will be found and at the least recruited to prove there worth! Do people really think that if there is some type of playground legend hooping the shit out of everyobody they know WONT get noticed at some point?
Don’t know if you noticed, pdub, but there is a separate thread for that now.
550 incline bench for 2 reps
interesting, the plot thickens…