Lewhitehurst, What's Your Story?

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Either way, what do you do for cardio? I am adding it now (I hit a low of 275 last week but my strength is still up there).[/quote]

If I had more time, I would walk, but I do kettlebells (swings/snatches) and jump rope. When it gets warmer I like to drag the sled and do hill “sprints” with sandbags.
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Have you considered jumping jacks? [not that there’s anything wrong with what you’re doing] I find it difficult/painful at my weight to jog or do cardio common to lighter folks.

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Holy shit, someone is trying to make an actual argument that some no name street ballers are better players than MJ? Mental health status check please.

BTW, I work with a guy who played semi pro after college and whose team won the league championship a few years back. He’s 6’5 330 and I asked if he had ever seen similar feats of strength. He laughed in my face and told me to “shut the fuck up”. I think that answers that specific question.

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My favorite part about this entire thread is that Lew doesn’t give two moments of attention to all of the doubters.

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Lew, what’s something that you’re doing now that you wish you had known earlier/implemented sooner?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

What you guys fail to realize, and yes this is a discussion x and I have had before, is just because Guy A holds the world record, doesn’t mean he is the best at it.
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Surely you can understand the skepticism when someone is claiming they are stronger than a world record holder, no? You don’t think it’s reasonable to ask for video proof if someone claims they are stronger than one of the strongest men in the world (regardless of lift)?

We make fun of underdeveloped people claiming ridiculous lifts on this forum ALL the time! We shouldn’t automatically believe a posters lifts simply because they are well developed if the lifts being claimed are similarly outrageous.

FTR, I probably wouldn’t go video taping my lifts, either. Then again I’ll probably never incline press 495 pounds 15 times so I won’t get that type of skepticism, either. :)[/quote]

Yeah, the difference is, he is like 5’8" or shorter and weighs damn near 300lbs. If he can’t at least do 405 easily, something is very fucking wrong. That is why this makes no sense.

Yes, hounding some 150lbs newb who claims they can squat 600lbs makes sense.

Hounding a 40 year old man who has muscles bigger than most here doesn’t unless you just have something to prove.

You also don’t know his condition when he did it either and I doubt he can go back in time for vids.

Yes, if this were the powerlifting forum, then critique his form, his gear and everything else. [/quote]

Newb claims 300 pound bench press, we all laugh and flame. Developed guy claims 495 inclines for 15 reps, we all accept and move on.

Does that make sense? They seem equally dubious to me.

Like I said, I wouldn’t post videos, either, unless I was already planning to record them. But I don’t think anyone here should be surprised if most people don’t believe those claims.[/quote]

I love the logic. You all use the fact that someone ELSE can’t do something (usually yourselves) as proof that it can’t be done. Good thing Roger Banister didn’t think that way. Or Einstein. Or the first guys on the moon. Or the slaves and abolitionists who believed black people shouldn’t be slaves. Or Tesla. Or Edison. Or…

Get my point? But X is right, THIS is why I STOPPED posting numbers when people asked questions. The whole thread gets derailed by a KID who hasn’t even been alive as long as I have lifted. I DON’T hide my face, my name or where I am from. Yet, I get challenged by nameless, faceless people on here all the time. This is the type of BS that made me lay off of here for a good 4 months or so after I first joined and is why a good number of the posters on here who actually have something to contribute stopped talking. It’s also why I was reluctant to put any numbers up. I am fucking DONE with assholes in a thread, where people are asking ME questions, who don’t even have the fucking balls to talk TO me. You run to X or some one else like he is your fucking father to try and get him to co-sign and do third party faggot shit. And then they tell you to shut the fuck up so you whine and bitch to each other because he isn’t listening to your bullshit, either. I am older than just about all you bastards on here and judging by the stupidity and shitty attitudes of MOST will still be alive and lifting long after you all have bitched up and turned into the women you really are.

If someone wants to ask a question or make a suggestion they think will help, I am all for an exchange of ideas, but if all you want to do is nitpick and bitch, start another thread and you can all feel free to have one big circle jerk and suck each other off in one big happy bitch-filled orgy. [/quote]

Lol, was this directed at me? I directly quoted and wrote to YOU, X decided to jump in and write to me, so I responded…

I’ve never once stated you didn’t incline rep 495 x 15. Not ONCE. All I’ve wrote is that YOU SHOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO DOUBT A CLAIM LIKE THAT! If the 4 minute mile were never broken and Roger Bannister logged in on a forum as (essentially) an anonymous guy with a runner’s body and claimed he had broken a 4 minute mile, you can damn well believe everyone on that forum would doubt those claims.

Jesus Christ, halfway through that rant I didn’t even know what the hell you were talking about…[/quote]

I think it is pretty clear he is noticing all of the actions and remarks over the last few weeks and months and responding to all of it.

I mean, for fuck’s sake, you all turn every fucking thread into shit like this. I mean, go look at that damned Paco thread…or the last bullshit tag team in that Arnold competition thread.

If I had to guess, I would think most serious lifters here are sick and tired of that childish bullshit.
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Seems to me all of the most serious lifters are the ones most involved…
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BOOM. One of the most truthful things uttered in this thread.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

My earlier post was more referring to how when most of us ever mention a weight used, if it sounds impressive at all, this is usually when the thread gets hit with the non-bodybuilding crowd acting like any alternative to strict competition form with free weights means you’re weak.[/quote]

No one’s looking for strict competition form. Way to move the goalposts. People are expecting for someone claiming to complete x lift with y weight for z reps to actually COMPLETE that lift. I can unrack and do shallow power curtsies with 700 lbs. Does that mean I get to claim that I squat it?

BTW, the tapdance is not surprising. I haven’t finished reading the thread, but I’m sure you’ve mentioned that you’re a doctor. If you haven’t I bet it takes 3 replies after this post for you to do so.

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

Why would I have video evidence if I was doing that before I even joined T-Nation? I’m 41 years old. I don’t have shit to prove to you or anyone else, other than myself and my son. I work out for myself and by myself. Taking videos to prove something to someone on the net I didn’t/don’t know has never really been a concern for me. As for your Stan Effgerding videos, I am NOT Stan Efferding. I am me. WTF does him struggling to do it have anything to do with me?

If I struggled squatting 225, does that mean the guy next to me can’t squat 500? I am not a powerlifting expert by any means, so I may be wrong, but as far as I am aware they do not do inclines in competition but do flat benching. Just because you are strong pressing in one position doesn’t mean you are that strong in another position.

If you were, your overhead press, incline, flat and decline bench would all be the same. They aren’t. Or at least I have never come across anybody who is. I have always been strong on inclines and suck on flat. It may be body mechanics, IDK, or it may be the fact that I just prefer inclines, so that is what I concentrated on.

What you guys fail to realize, and yes this is a discussion x and I have had before, is just because Guy A holds the world record, doesn’t mean he is the best at it. It just means he is the best that competed in that particular event on THAT day, period. Kevin Levrone who is recognized as being a ridiculously strong bodybuilder inclined more than 495 plenty of times. I saw it with my own eyes. My cousin used to work out with him back when he was competing and got me around Kevin when he could.

When I saw how much Kevin was putting up, with ease, I realized if this guy can do it I can too. And I got to that point. As far as I know, Kevin never entered a powerlifting competition, nor held a world record; but I doubt he gives a shit what Stan Efeerding can or can not incline, what records he holds or Heaven Forbid - what you say. I sure don’t.
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Ok, here’s the thing. You’re not only claiming that you were at one point stronger than a world record holder ON THAT DAY, but rather that you were at one point stronger than EVERY world record holder in the HISTORY OF LIFTING. Every individual that I have ever seen move that weight for ~5 reps has been benching well over 600 lbs. Doing it for 15 means you are likely pushing 700 on bench. There is ONE man in the HISTORY of lifting who has ever been that strong. ONE. You’re claiming to be at that level without the use of anabolics (if IIRC). That actually puts you ahead of him, since Mendelson is a drug boat. So what you are essentially claiming, is that you, on your best day, as an amateur drug free lifter weighing somewhere under 300 lbs possessed more pressing power than the strongest raw presser in the history of lifting to date did on his best day at well north of 330 lbs and sauced to the gills.

Forgive us for being skeptical.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Holy shit, someone is trying to make an actual argument that some no name street ballers are better players than MJ? Mental health status check please.

BTW, I work with a guy who played semi pro after college and whose team won the league championship a few years back. He’s 6’5 330 and I asked if he had ever seen similar feats of strength. He laughed in my face and told me to “shut the fuck up”. I think that answers that specific question.[/quote]

i’m pretty confidant i can indline db more than you, way

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Holy shit, someone is trying to make an actual argument that some no name street ballers are better players than MJ? Mental health status check please.

BTW, I work with a guy who played semi pro after college and whose team won the league championship a few years back. He’s 6’5 330 and I asked if he had ever seen similar feats of strength. He laughed in my face and told me to “shut the fuck up”. I think that answers that specific question.[/quote]

i’m pretty confidant i can indline db more than you, way[/quote]

i remember the first time i inclined the 80s

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deat wrote:
Big dudes (you never heard of) throwing stupid weights around

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigbeastwilk51#p/u/59/jn24CV8Jm6k 495 x 3 after hitting topping out at 555+130chains on bench

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3oQarzilZ4&feature=related Different guy I have no idea why I can’t find an incline vid of him

(http://www.youtube.com/user/drgrowc#p/u/32/bh569j8pD4A)

the masked bencher getting it in!

BOOOM[/quote]

That’s impossible.

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Yeah, because 405x23 on flat is EXACTLY LIKE 495x15 on incline.

We get it. He’s a big guy. You gotta stick with him. If anyone questions his e-cred, then you might be next. And then your whole world comes crashing down.

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:

i remember the first time i inclined the 80s
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LWH - are you a big proponent of the whole ‘omg you need to have 2g/lb of bodyweight per protein?’

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This thread is very entertaining

I like Lewhitehurst, I am sure he is a good guy and I think that he is very knowledgable on lifting (like many people), but it is pretty obvious that he has a monstruous, super-sized 40 years old guy ego. So It doesnt suprise me that he may be embellishing reality.

But what difference does it really make. If it makes someone happy to be praised for some made up lifts, let’s all give him recognition . If the 495x15 incline is a real lift, let’s give him recognition (but who really care about what another guy lift anyway). So in any case why question the claims of anyone on the internet.

Yeah I just did but it is because I find all of this very entertaining. Especially Stronghold. Whenever he chimes in he makes me lol hard. Keep fucking shit up ( your avatar)

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[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Either way, what do you do for cardio? I am adding it now (I hit a low of 275 last week but my strength is still up there).[/quote]

If I had more time, I would walk, but I do kettlebells (swings/snatches) and jump rope. When it gets warmer I like to drag the sled and do hill “sprints” with sandbags.
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Have you considered jumping jacks? [not that there’s anything wrong with what you’re doing] I find it difficult/painful at my weight to jog or do cardio common to lighter folks.[/quote]

I have. And sometimes I do, but for some reason I feel silly doing them; because I always feel like that uncoordinated kid in gym class you used to shake your head at.

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[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Lew, what’s something that you’re doing now that you wish you had known earlier/implemented sooner?[/quote]

Doing cardio of some sort year round. There are times where I actually found cardio seemed to help with gaining mass as well as the obvious health benefits and keeping body composition leaner.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:

i remember the first time i inclined the 80s
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LWH - are you a big proponent of the whole ‘omg you need to have 2g/lb of bodyweight per protein?’[/quote]

Nope. Never have been. Everyone is different. Like we have all probably heard a million times, it’s not how much you take in, but how much you use. Some people are more efficient at using protein than others. I take in more to preserve muscle when I am dropping fat but I don’t ever remember taking in more than 1.5 gm/lb bodyweight.

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
My favorite part about this entire thread is that Lew doesn’t give two moments of attention to all of the doubters.[/quote]

Lol, that’s actually my favorite part as well.

Well, that and X claiming there are street ballers out there better than MJ. That was priceless.

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LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.

2 points and I’m out.

Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.

That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.

As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.

Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.

2 points and I’m out.

Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational. That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.

As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street. Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]

Agreed. Good Post

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.

2 points and I’m out.

Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.

That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.

As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.

Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]

Best post in the thread. The negativity on this site has outgrown the progress being made.

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LWH, you mentioned some pages back that you pair exercises for reduced time in the gym. Are you essentially doing 2-3 pairs then call it quits?

A1
A2

B1
B2

C1
C2

Something like this? If so, what do you combine with legs?

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
LWH - sorry for moving away from your thread but some of this stuff is just BS.

2 points and I’m out.

Most of you are fairly young and live in an age where you think everything is Youtube and media ready and so you use that as a point of reference for reality. Not everyone that is big and strong has a desire to lift competitively. Some people actually just like to lift and its recreational.

That said, just because someone in a competitition is listed as the best doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there better. I incline 315 8-12 reps and honestly- it doesnt hit my pecs because I’m shoulder dominant in all my pressing excercises. Its not difficult for me to believe that a man bigger than me can move a couple more hundy.

As for the PRO sports references - most of those comments are just crazy. I grew up in Chicago and watched MJ play every chance I got. He’s not doing anything more phenominal than any other NBA player today. He was just ahead of his time. Have any of you seen the AND 1 mixtapes - those dudes are sick - and there are sicker ones in the street.

Talent alone doesn’t get you to the pro level. Pro players develop under skilled systems and coaches. Flaws are worked out. They understand playbooks and team concepts. They get vouched for. - Truely, is this any different than a corporate job? I know we all want to believe that if we work hard and are the brightest than you will get rewarded but who you know plays a very imporatant part.[/quote]

This goes with what I was saying, but it seems like some guys prefer to remain ignorant.