KingBeef: How did you get so BEEFY?

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Hey kingbeef, what’s your take on volume in regard to trap work. I just starting working them again last week and I was doing heavy shrugs twice that week. 315x9 the first day and then 365x9 and 415x7 the second day along with my usual deadlifting and they already look bigger. Do you think this volume is optimal or do I need more? I did one set the first day and two sets the second (they weren’t back to back).

This may be a stupid question.[/quote]

Traps are one of those muscles that seem to be able to recover super fast. What you’re doing looks fine. As long as you’re getting stronger, muscles are getting noticeably bigger, no need to worry. Personally, I work traps once a week with 2 heavy sets and it works great for me.

@Mateus: I switch up the routine slightly or completely every 10 weeks or so. I make them up myself using the guidelines, I don’t do the preset ones that they have. Also, I’ve expanded the rep range to 4-8 on most exercises. My body really seems to like that rep range. Jeff Rodriguez does this as well.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Hey kingbeef, what’s your take on volume in regard to trap work. I just starting working them again last week and I was doing heavy shrugs twice that week. 315x9 the first day and then 365x9 and 415x7 the second day along with my usual deadlifting and they already look bigger. Do you think this volume is optimal or do I need more? I did one set the first day and two sets the second (they weren’t back to back).

This may be a stupid question.[/quote]

Traps are one of those muscles that seem to be able to recover super fast. What you’re doing looks fine. As long as you’re getting stronger, muscles are getting noticeably bigger, no need to worry. Personally, I work traps once a week with 2 heavy sets and it works great for me.
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Thanks for the response. I’m really trying get the coveted huge yoke.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
Since the middle of 09 I’ve been very consistent with my diet always eating a bare minimum of 300g protein, 3000 cals a day. Usually I’ve tried to stay closer to 350-400g protein and closer to 4000 cals. I feel that keeping my protein intake very high, which a lot of people might say is overkill, plays a big role in consistent progress and being able to handle heavy eccentric focused training on a regular basis.

At the beginning of this year I was torn between continuing to gain weight or getting dumb shredded to shut down the beach this summer (yes I’m relatively lean but no where close to shredded). This is about when I was turned on to the pulse feasting articles and decided to give the intermittent fasting thing a shot for gaining muscle/losing fat.

I decided to use the pulsing strategy with the leangains approach to intermittent fasting because it seems easier to get in all the food I want to take in in the larger feeding window. Basically it’s a 16 hour fast followed by an 8 hour feeding period. I have 3-4 pulses (usually 4) in the waking hours of the fast (which supposedly has the same effect of about 180-240g of whey with a very small fraction of the calories) and 3 huge meals during the feeding period totaling about 2800 cals, 200g protein, 300g carbs, 90g fat.

I train first thing in the morning with a pulse 20mins pre workout along with 5g beta alanine, 5g creatine, 5g leucine, 6g citrulline malate and immediately post workout another pulse. Remaining pulses are spread out by 2.5 hours and then I eat 30 mins after the last pulse. First meal is usually ridiculously huge with a dumb amount of carbs and then the other 2 are reasonably sized. Sometimes it’s 3 equal size meals of all the same thing. Sometimes I only eat twice. All that matters to me is that I hit at least 2800 cals and 200g of protein.

I’ve been following this approach for a little over 5 weeks now I think and am very surprised/pleased with the results. I never thought I could have so much energy in the gym without eating anything prior to lifting much less hit pr’s on almost every single exercise, every single week. I’m slowly getting leaner while maintaining my bodyweight. Now that I really think about it, I think I’ve actually gained weight because my morning empty stomach weight is about the same as I weighed at my full stomach weight before. Arm/thigh/calf measurements are up and abs are more defined. It’s very nice to be able to just go about my day getting things done without worrying about carrying food and shakes around with me. Definitely makes the diet part of things so much easier.

Anyway that pretty much sums it up for now. This is how I train and eat and it works very well for me. Is it optimal? Who knows? All I know is that I’m happy with the progress I’m making so will continue doing what I’m doing.

Also, I know I was kind of all over the place with my thoughts so feel free to ask any questions about anything I might not have been clear on or missed completely.[/quote]

Hey kingbeef, big fan and really impressed with the progress you have made. Would you mind giving me a breakdown of you typical diet for your 3 meals after the early day fasting? I’m interested to see how you have your daily 2800 cal, 200g protein, 300g carbs, 90g fats broken down into the 3 meals( or 2 meals). Any reply would be greatly appreciated!

[quote]Swimball wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
Since the middle of 09 I’ve been very consistent with my diet always eating a bare minimum of 300g protein, 3000 cals a day. Usually I’ve tried to stay closer to 350-400g protein and closer to 4000 cals. I feel that keeping my protein intake very high, which a lot of people might say is overkill, plays a big role in consistent progress and being able to handle heavy eccentric focused training on a regular basis.

At the beginning of this year I was torn between continuing to gain weight or getting dumb shredded to shut down the beach this summer (yes I’m relatively lean but no where close to shredded). This is about when I was turned on to the pulse feasting articles and decided to give the intermittent fasting thing a shot for gaining muscle/losing fat.

I decided to use the pulsing strategy with the leangains approach to intermittent fasting because it seems easier to get in all the food I want to take in in the larger feeding window. Basically it’s a 16 hour fast followed by an 8 hour feeding period. I have 3-4 pulses (usually 4) in the waking hours of the fast (which supposedly has the same effect of about 180-240g of whey with a very small fraction of the calories) and 3 huge meals during the feeding period totaling about 2800 cals, 200g protein, 300g carbs, 90g fat.

I train first thing in the morning with a pulse 20mins pre workout along with 5g beta alanine, 5g creatine, 5g leucine, 6g citrulline malate and immediately post workout another pulse. Remaining pulses are spread out by 2.5 hours and then I eat 30 mins after the last pulse. First meal is usually ridiculously huge with a dumb amount of carbs and then the other 2 are reasonably sized. Sometimes it’s 3 equal size meals of all the same thing. Sometimes I only eat twice. All that matters to me is that I hit at least 2800 cals and 200g of protein.

I’ve been following this approach for a little over 5 weeks now I think and am very surprised/pleased with the results. I never thought I could have so much energy in the gym without eating anything prior to lifting much less hit pr’s on almost every single exercise, every single week. I’m slowly getting leaner while maintaining my bodyweight. Now that I really think about it, I think I’ve actually gained weight because my morning empty stomach weight is about the same as I weighed at my full stomach weight before. Arm/thigh/calf measurements are up and abs are more defined. It’s very nice to be able to just go about my day getting things done without worrying about carrying food and shakes around with me. Definitely makes the diet part of things so much easier.

Anyway that pretty much sums it up for now. This is how I train and eat and it works very well for me. Is it optimal? Who knows? All I know is that I’m happy with the progress I’m making so will continue doing what I’m doing.

Also, I know I was kind of all over the place with my thoughts so feel free to ask any questions about anything I might not have been clear on or missed completely.[/quote]

Hey kingbeef, big fan and really impressed with the progress you have made. Would you mind giving me a breakdown of you typical diet for your 3 meals after the early day fasting? I’m interested to see how you have your daily 2800 cal, 200g protein, 300g carbs, 90g fats broken down into the 3 meals( or 2 meals). Any reply would be greatly appreciated![/quote]

Thanks, man. Honestly lately I haven’t even been counting very much anymore, I just make sure I’m getting in the protein and a good amount of carbs. Typically 1st meal will be 8 whole eggs, 1.5 cups oats, 1.5 cups milk and some breakfast meat like sausage or bacon if I feel like it. Next would be 12+ ounces of meat with 2 cups of rice and a cup of green veggies, and last meal would be 14-16 ounces of meat with a big sweet potato or more rice and more veggies.

can you post a log of a typical workout including poundages?


@Browndisaster - Check out “do this routine instead of that dumb one” for a sample workout

Took these today.

I was staring at this one for a while. Can’t believe it’s me, lol.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I was staring at this one for a while. [/quote]

Yeah me too =)

Amazin progress

[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I was staring at this one for a while. [/quote]

Yeah me too =)

Amazin progress[/quote]

Thanks, I can say the same about your avatar 8D

holy shit.

Well done.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
@Browndisaster - Check out “do this routine instead of that dumb one” for a sample workout

Took these today. [/quote]

Very Arnold like in this pic.

Back looks as wide as a tarp. Shit.

My Friend, I think you have just inspired me to switch back to Max-OT, a routine I did when I first started out in this game 4-5 years ago. Its been quite a while since I did the balls to the wall 4-6 reps, once a week system, I wonder what my numbers would be on it now. Thanks for the reminder :wink:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
My Friend, I think you have just inspired me to switch back to Max-OT, a routine I did when I first started out in this game 4-5 years ago. Its been quite a while since I did the balls to the wall 4-6 reps, once a week system, I wonder what my numbers would be on it now. Thanks for the reminder ;-)[/quote]

Haha, thanks. Just remember to eat a TON of protein and also experiment with broadening the rep range to 4-8.

You are pretty beefy, dudebrah. Do you lift with a partner?

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
My Friend, I think you have just inspired me to switch back to Max-OT, a routine I did when I first started out in this game 4-5 years ago. Its been quite a while since I did the balls to the wall 4-6 reps, once a week system, I wonder what my numbers would be on it now. Thanks for the reminder ;-)[/quote]

Haha, thanks. Just remember to eat a TON of protein and also experiment with broadening the rep range to 4-8. [/quote]

Most definitely, I’m finishing up a diet right now, but once I’m done I’ll probably give this a run starting in June until the end of the year, see where it takes me. I kinda like the shorter lifter sessions as I can add in some much needed Cardio for 20-30 minutes after and not be coming up on 2 hour gym sessions 5 days a week.

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
You are pretty beefy, dudebrah. Do you lift with a partner? [/quote]

Yeah, most of the time. Unfortunately none of them are really that serious. I just like having someone to spot me and help take plates on and off the leg press, lol.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
You are pretty beefy, dudebrah. Do you lift with a partner? [/quote]

Yeah, most of the time. Unfortunately none of them are really that serious. I just like having someone to spot me and help take plates on and off the leg press, lol.[/quote]
Haha thats funny shit

Great thread KB, really liked the workout and nutritions posts, nice to see as I train in a fairly similar way.

How do you handle your week off? I can never stay away from the gym for more than 3 days. It’s hard to break the addiction, especially since there are few things better than the 1-2 hours after an epic lift.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Great thread KB, really liked the workout and nutritions posts, nice to see as I train in a fairly similar way.

How do you handle your week off? I can never stay away from the gym for more than 3 days. It’s hard to break the addiction, especially since there are few things better than the 1-2 hours after an epic lift.[/quote]

Play SC II :slight_smile: