StormTheBeach: How Do You Train?

So the man talks about eating people a little too often, and is a huge gear whore (or maybe only a slight gear whore since he just cheats with single ply :slight_smile: ), but he is also one of the damn strongest guys on this site, very active in the PL forum, and always helpful when someone asks him a question.

At 25 years old, he has posted a 699 squat, 501 bench, and an 804 deadlift, with plans to pull an 827 in the near term future.

I’m sure we can all learn a lot. Would you mind indulging us? I’m most curious about your training history (have you always used westside inspired training?), your regular diet (aside from eating squat rack curlers), and your eventual goals. Any significant injuries you’ve had to overcome?

Thanks for your contributions here man.

I’m glad you made this thread. StormTheBeach is so helpful and I don’t think he gets all the recognition he deserves. Here’s his training log for anyone who’s interested. I’d still love a detailed breakdown of his training though.

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

I’d still love a detailed breakdown of his training [/quote]

Agreed. Actually more what he did to get here as opposed to what he does now (mental note, scroll through his raining log, thanks for the link).

I only post on here so much because I have about 10 million hours a day to kill at work/school and all my free time is spent either reading or posting in these forums. haha.

I’d be more than happy to share some of what I do. Actually, it will be good to write it out and organize it because I dont even know what the hell I am doing half the time. I guess it makes the most sense to start at the beginning.

TRAINGING HISTORY:
As far as training history, I have had a job since I was in 5th grade. I grew up on a farm so as soon as I was capable of rational thought and had the ability to shovel shit, literally, I was doing work. Looking back now I realize the 4 or so years I did that was GPP for the training I would be doing for the rest of life. I got a gym membership in 8th grade because I wanted to play football in high school but my mom and the coaches said I was too small and would probably die if I got hit. Needless to say, this fucked me up pretty bad. I was small, I got picked on, I had dislexia (mostly because I was anxious as shit from getting beat up every day), and all my teachers pretty much wrote me off as retarded. Anyway, the gym changed that. I met up with a trainer, Keith Dickie was his name, who used to be a body builder and he helped me out a lot. 9th grade sucked. I got my ass handed to me in football all year. After the season (and after lacrosse season) I learned about the Bigger Faster Stronger program and worked the shit out of that for the rest of high school. in 12th grade I broke all the schools lifting records. Went to play football at a D3 college, broke all the records there too. Regretfully, I had to quit my senior year(2007) for an incredibly fucked up situation but the up side of that was I could focus on powerlifting. All football left me with though was 8 different surgeries and a ton of muscle imbalances that I am still correcting today.

My first meet was in 2005 and I was a sophmore in college. I did it just for fun because 2 of my buddies were into it, I had just been introduced to westside and like everyone else, I had no idea what the fuck Louie Simmons was talking about. I went something like 530, 365, 620ish raw at 275. I did a couple more meets and played football which was tough but I made it work. After I quit the team, I really started trying to learn everything I could about strength. I thought I knew everything because I had just got a degree in exercise science and all my weights were shooting up. I did a raw meet in the beginning of 2008 and went 699, 412?, 725 as a junior 275. Then that summer, I fractured my L3 while doing rack pulls. The docs said it looked like it was damaged already, football, but the extreme tension of my lower back pretty much pulled the bone in half. So, basically I was fucked. I had no insurance so PT was out of the question and surgery would have made it impossible to lift again. I bought every book I could find on rehab and searched the internet for about 6 hours a day until I could move around again, which was about a week. I am glad this happened to me. You learn a lot about yourself when you are in a completely hopeless situation like this. Anyway, instead of laying around and waiting to feel better, I worked the shit out of it and got back to lifting, not heavy, in 3 months. Did a bench only 4 months after my injury and eeked out a 487 shirted press. So, that pretty much takes me to now. My squat is finally coming back up, my bench still sucks, and my deadlift appears to be much smoother without all those stupid vertebra in the way. My next full meet is july 10th and I am shooting for a 2100lb total that includes a 744 squat. If that actually happens, I’ll probably get a tattoo on my face that says “Fuck Yea”.

Sorry thats kinda long winded but a lot of stupid shit has happened to me so I wanted to get it all in there. haha.

TRAINING:
From 2005-2007 my taining looked like this:
3 days a week
Monday-
Squat-5,4,3,2,1,1

Wednesday-
Bench-5,4,3,2,11

Friday-
Deadlift-5,4,3,2,1,1

That was seriously about it. I got strong as shit. Some assistance work but nothing really worth mentioning, just anything I needed to work on and also took a week off here and there. Also, all you “sport specific” people, my 40 time went from 4.89 at 255lbs to 4.75 at 272lbs. What was the differnece besides body weight? I squatted heavy every week for 2 years.

2008-now
2 days a week max effort
2 days dynamic efforts
4+extra workouts for recovery/gpp
3 weeks on, 1 week off no matter how I am feeling

Even though everything I’ve read tells me not to do it, I have recently started doing some circa max work before meets. I like heavy weight on my back/in my hands and I feel like it helps me at meets. I also started cycling strnegth speed and speed strength phases.

Pretty much every 8 weeks, I try something new and if it works I keep it, if not I throw it out.

I can get a lot more detailed about my training if you guys want me to.

DIET:
My diet is a lot. 6 solid meals a day on average. Kinda on the anything and everything plan.

INJURIES:
Too many to mention. I got through them all by working my ass off and not waiting to feel better.

GOALS:
Short term: 2100lbs july 10th
Long Term: go 800, 600, 900 in the usapl/ipf
Lifetime: Squat 1000+, Deadlift 1000+, bench something that doesnt suck.

Thats about all I can think of. I am going to stop here because I actually hate talking about myself. I’d be more than happy to share anything else though so let me know!

Die, or get strong trying,
~Mike

You know Mike, I can’t stand people like you. It’s people like you that screw up all my excuse making with your overcoming adversity crap. (j/k)

That’s a fantastic story. Great work.

You mentioned that you try something new every 8 weeks or so, is this just a tweak in the program (ie. low rack pulls vs. high rack pulls) or different approaches such as low volume vs. high volume?

[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
You know Mike, I can’t stand people like you. It’s people like you that screw up all my excuse making with your overcoming adversity crap. (j/k)

That’s a fantastic story. Great work.

You mentioned that you try something new every 8 weeks or so, is this just a tweak in the program (ie. low rack pulls vs. high rack pulls) or different approaches such as low volume vs. high volume?

[/quote]

Thanks man.

Kinda a little bit of both. Just depends what I need to work on. For exapmple, my speed/stability in the hole of my squats starting sucking, so, I am ditching the box for the next couple weeks and doing reverse band squats with free hanging chains(for stability in the hole) for my speed squats. When weight starts to stall your body is telling you that you are getting accommidated. If youre not getting better, youre getting worse. You cant just limit yourself to this program or that program (or even geared or raw if you really think about it) if you intend on getting better. Figure out what sucks and get creative to fix the problem.

Creativity and the willingness to try new training methods makes the difference between banging your head against the wall or driving through it with a flaming monster truck filled with napalm. Damn, what an awesome analogy. haha.

Hard work. Education. Hard work.

I’m sending you a freidn request on Facebook, lol.

Keep doing what you’re doing man!

Likes this thread

Thanks big man, I really appreciate you taking the time to log all that for us. Hopefully it will make you a better lifter too now that you can see it all in front of you! I have no doubt you will hit that 2100 total coming up in a couple months. Good luck man.

Two other questions that popped up when I was reading were:

  1. If I understand it right, you just did the big lifts from 05-07 with very little assistance work. Do you think your fractured L3 was a result of this lack of assistance, or was it just one of those injuries that are almost bound to happen regardless?

  2. What is your peri-workout nutrition and supplmeentation like? It doesn’t look like you have any Biotest orders, and you didn’t list any additional proteins or fast carbs, but was curious if you are doing any sort of modified peri-workout protocol, or just eating a fuckload all day long.

You are a beast man. Thanks for the info.

Good stuff here. I hope everyone notices how he got very strong focusing primarily on the big lifts early on. I think too many people don’t stick with the basics long enough before they start getting into more complicated programs (I’ve been guilty of this myself).

Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Thanks big man, I really appreciate you taking the time to log all that for us. Hopefully it will make you a better lifter too now that you can see it all in front of you! I have no doubt you will hit that 2100 total coming up in a couple months. Good luck man.

Two other questions that popped up when I was reading were:

  1. If I understand it right, you just did the big lifts from 05-07 with very little assistance work. Do you think your fractured L3 was a result of this lack of assistance, or was it just one of those injuries that are almost bound to happen regardless?

  2. What is your peri-workout nutrition and supplmeentation like? It doesn’t look like you have any Biotest orders, and you didn’t list any additional proteins or fast carbs, but was curious if you are doing any sort of modified peri-workout protocol, or just eating a fuckload all day long.

You are a beast man. Thanks for the info.[/quote]

  1. It was bound to happen, I was training like a dumbass. I was basically doing heavy rack pulls every week, pulled 965ish when my regular deadlift was only in the low 700’s. Felt like shit and went for it anyway, got hurt about halfway up but grinded it out, then my back got really messed up when I put it back in the rack. I hit the floor and didnt move for about 15mins. I was barely able to crawl out of the gym. This only happened because I was being stupid and the doc said it looked messed up from some kind of trauma that happened a while ago but I dont know what that was. Funny thing is, both my dad and my sister have fractured at least on vertebra and they are both just fine. Maybe being a dumbass and breaking your back is genetic.

  2. Looks exactly like this:
    With breakfast: Centrum (any kind but silver, you know, the one for old people)
    With every meal: 1200mg fish oil and 630mg green tea

Last meal 2 hours before working out

pre workout- Kre-Alkaline(dose depends on how far out from a meet)
during- sometimes surge workout fuel
post- N-Large2, Biotest l-leucine, Kre-Alkaline

1 hour later-meal+ carlson ACES

2 hours later-meal

1 hour before bed: ZMA
10-15mins before bed: 2 scoops casien w/peanut butter

Usually get around 6 meals a day with at least 1000 calories each. Protein shakes, other than casien at bedtime, are a waste of money if you are trying to get stronger. They might work for bodybuilding but they dont do shit for your bench press.

I owe a lot of my strength gains to having a pretty good understanding of nutrient timing and metabolism. You are what you eat. So eat everything.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.[/quote]

Yea youre right, that stuff only works for guys on steriods with multi ply gear.

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.[/quote]

Yea youre right, that stuff only works for guys on steriods with multi ply gear.

[/quote]

Don’t forget, it won’t work for you unless you are training in Ohio under Louie. No one has ever made any progress on a Westside template without steroids, multi ply gear, and Louie Simmons watching them train.

BTW, great thread, you are an inspiration that normal guys who hang out on the internet can achieve huge deadlifts.

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.[/quote]

Yea youre right, that stuff only works for guys on steriods with multi ply gear.

[/quote]

Don’t be coy with us, we all know you use Starting Strength and progressive overload. You got that 700 lb squat by squatting every day and putting an extra role of dimes in your shirt pocket each time.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.[/quote]

Yea youre right, that stuff only works for guys on steriods with multi ply gear.

[/quote]

Don’t be coy with us, we all know you use Starting Strength and progressive overload. You got that 700 lb squat by squatting every day and putting an extra role of dimes in your shirt pocket each time.[/quote]

Damn it stronghold. That was supposed to be our secrete.

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I only post on here so much because I have about 10 million hours a day to kill at work/school and all my free time is spent either reading or posting in these forums. haha.

I’d be more than happy to share some of what I do. Actually, it will be good to write it out and organize it because I dont even know what the hell I am doing half the time. I guess it makes the most sense to start at the beginning.

TRAINGING HISTORY:
As far as training history, I have had a job since I was in 5th grade. I grew up on a farm so as soon as I was capable of rational thought and had the ability to shovel shit, literally, I was doing work. Looking back now I realize the 4 or so years I did that was GPP for the training I would be doing for the rest of life. I got a gym membership in 8th grade because I wanted to play football in high school but my mom and the coaches said I was too small and would probably die if I got hit. Needless to say, this fucked me up pretty bad. I was small, I got picked on, I had dislexia (mostly because I was anxious as shit from getting beat up every day), and all my teachers pretty much wrote me off as retarded. Anyway, the gym changed that. I met up with a trainer, Keith Dickie was his name, who used to be a body builder and he helped me out a lot. 9th grade sucked. I got my ass handed to me in football all year. After the season (and after lacrosse season) I learned about the Bigger Faster Stronger program and worked the shit out of that for the rest of high school. in 12th grade I broke all the schools lifting records. Went to play football at a D3 college, broke all the records there too. Regretfully, I had to quit my senior year(2007) for an incredibly fucked up situation but the up side of that was I could focus on powerlifting. All football left me with though was 8 different surgeries and a ton of muscle imbalances that I am still correcting today.

My first meet was in 2005 and I was a sophmore in college. I did it just for fun because 2 of my buddies were into it, I had just been introduced to westside and like everyone else, I had no idea what the fuck Louie Simmons was talking about. I went something like 530, 365, 620ish raw at 275. I did a couple more meets and played football which was tough but I made it work. After I quit the team, I really started trying to learn everything I could about strength. I thought I knew everything because I had just got a degree in exercise science and all my weights were shooting up. I did a raw meet in the beginning of 2008 and went 699, 412?, 725 as a junior 275. Then that summer, I fractured my L3 while doing rack pulls. The docs said it looked like it was damaged already, football, but the extreme tension of my lower back pretty much pulled the bone in half. So, basically I was fucked. I had no insurance so PT was out of the question and surgery would have made it impossible to lift again. I bought every book I could find on rehab and searched the internet for about 6 hours a day until I could move around again, which was about a week. I am glad this happened to me. You learn a lot about yourself when you are in a completely hopeless situation like this. Anyway, instead of laying around and waiting to feel better, I worked the shit out of it and got back to lifting, not heavy, in 3 months. Did a bench only 4 months after my injury and eeked out a 487 shirted press. So, that pretty much takes me to now. My squat is finally coming back up, my bench still sucks, and my deadlift appears to be much smoother without all those stupid vertebra in the way. My next full meet is july 10th and I am shooting for a 2100lb total that includes a 744 squat. If that actually happens, I’ll probably get a tattoo on my face that says “Fuck Yea”.

Sorry thats kinda long winded but a lot of stupid shit has happened to me so I wanted to get it all in there. haha.

TRAINING:
From 2005-2007 my taining looked like this:
3 days a week
Monday-
Squat-5,4,3,2,1,1

Wednesday-
Bench-5,4,3,2,11

Friday-
Deadlift-5,4,3,2,1,1

That was seriously about it. I got strong as shit. Some assistance work but nothing really worth mentioning, just anything I needed to work on and also took a week off here and there. Also, all you “sport specific” people, my 40 time went from 4.89 at 255lbs to 4.75 at 272lbs. What was the differnece besides body weight? I squatted heavy every week for 2 years.

2008-now
2 days a week max effort
2 days dynamic efforts
4+extra workouts for recovery/gpp
3 weeks on, 1 week off no matter how I am feeling

Even though everything I’ve read tells me not to do it, I have recently started doing some circa max work before meets. I like heavy weight on my back/in my hands and I feel like it helps me at meets. I also started cycling strnegth speed and speed strength phases.

Pretty much every 8 weeks, I try something new and if it works I keep it, if not I throw it out.

I can get a lot more detailed about my training if you guys want me to.

DIET:
My diet is a lot. 6 solid meals a day on average. Kinda on the anything and everything plan.

INJURIES:
Too many to mention. I got through them all by working my ass off and not waiting to feel better.

GOALS:
Short term: 2100lbs july 10th
Long Term: go 800, 600, 900 in the usapl/ipf
Lifetime: Squat 1000+, Deadlift 1000+, bench something that doesnt suck.

Thats about all I can think of. I am going to stop here because I actually hate talking about myself. I’d be more than happy to share anything else though so let me know!

Die, or get strong trying,
~Mike[/quote]

Thanks for writing all that out man, it was a good read. Best of luck with your upcoming meets.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.[/quote]

Yea youre right, that stuff only works for guys on steriods with multi ply gear.

[/quote]

Don’t be coy with us, we all know you use Starting Strength and progressive overload. You got that 700 lb squat by squatting every day and putting an extra role of dimes in your shirt pocket each time.[/quote]

3 weeks of pennies, then 3 weeks of dimes, 3 weeks of nickles, 3 weeks of quartars, then re test my max’s.

Speaking of squats/conjugate training, my best equipped squat since my back injury has been 660 in a meet. Today, I got 630+120lbs of chain in just a belt. People can argue all they want to on the internet about what works and what doesnt for getting stronger but why they are typing, I am winning trophies. Oh man, thats probably going to piss somebody off.

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Obviously he doesn’t train using Westside methods because NO ONE EVER got strong as a raw lifter using WSB principles.[/quote]

Yea youre right, that stuff only works for guys on steriods with multi ply gear.

[/quote]

Hey mike. I have a friend’s son coming to me for some advice on lifting.(hes about 23). Hes lifted for 3-4yrs(not including high school) but still needs to bring up some mass as well as strength. But hes drifting toward powerlifting. I first thought WSB may be a good start but I realize that you arent to fond of it. You have any suggestions? thanks for your time man