[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would eat fast food in a second over losing weight because I can’t eat “perfectly”. Most of the people who do that don’t get that big.
The exception would be specifically dieting.[/quote]
How many missed meals (on purpose or otherwise) have you had in the last 6 months?[/quote]
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Now that’s a good one!
i guess if your options are junk food vs no food, maybe… but if you ate no food, you would be hungrier later, and might be able to eat more good food(and protein later on, which may mean more muscle, but not more weight)
i would go foodless and increase protein intake later, junk food is junk
guy in video just wants an excuse to eat junk
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yeah, just eat later in the day. That also usually means you don’t eat enough overall daily calories which means you don’t ever get that big.
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Not people who keep a food log and/or are well versed in the caloric and macronutrient content of foods they eat.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Please tell me how what I said is wrong.
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Nothing. People can make it up later in the day. Besides, people who are dedicated don’t allow for many missed meals or only miss meals when they don’t have a choice. Anyway, as you say, it’s not like the body goes catabolic because of one missed meal out of dozens throughout a month. If I recall correctly, it takes 48 hours of NO food for the body to start degrading. Most people wouldn’t lose even if they didn’t eat for a WHOLE DAY, although that’s not what most prefer unless they’re into some rational, well planned IF scheme.
I think the negative hormonal response from junk food is very bad for progress. Eating the perfect meals builds more muscle. When I skip a meal because something important comes up, it just builds my hunger up even more, sometimes to the point where I can eat more in 1 meal later than I could have in 2 meals now and later. I put down almost 3000 cals in 2 hours yesterday. Not that I ever count cals, but I was talking to somebody today about what I ate yesterday so I added it up.
For me personally, when I eat large amounts, I have to eat in a relaxed setting or else my digestion and energy get fucked up.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yeah, just eat later in the day. That also usually means you don’t eat enough overall daily calories which means you don’t ever get that big.
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Not people who keep a food log and/or are well versed in the caloric and macronutrient content of foods they eat.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Please tell me how what I said is wrong.
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Nothing. People can make it up later in the day. Besides, people who are dedicated don’t allow for many missed meals or only miss meals when they don’t have a choice. Anyway, as you say, it’s not like the body goes catabolic because of one missed meal out of dozens throughout a month. If I recall correctly, it takes 48 hours of NO food for the body to start degrading. Most people wouldn’t lose even if they didn’t eat for a WHOLE DAY, although that’s not what most prefer unless they’re into some rational, well planned IF scheme.[/quote]
Speaking of IF, some big dudes have gained good mass like that, nuff said.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yeah, just eat later in the day. That also usually means you don’t eat enough overall daily calories which means you don’t ever get that big.
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Not people who keep a food log and/or are well versed in the caloric and macronutrient content of foods they eat.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Please tell me how what I said is wrong.
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Nothing. People can make it up later in the day. Besides, people who are dedicated don’t allow for many missed meals or only miss meals when they don’t have a choice. Anyway, as you say, it’s not like the body goes catabolic because of one missed meal out of dozens throughout a month. If I recall correctly, it takes 48 hours of NO food for the body to start degrading. Most people wouldn’t lose even if they didn’t eat for a WHOLE DAY, although that’s not what most prefer unless they’re into some rational, well planned IF scheme.[/quote]
48 hours every time? depends how much glucose your body has stored (which depends on carb intake mainly)
i thought this was basic knowledge…
[quote]qeynos wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yeah, just eat later in the day. That also usually means you don’t eat enough overall daily calories which means you don’t ever get that big.
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Not people who keep a food log and/or are well versed in the caloric and macronutrient content of foods they eat.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Please tell me how what I said is wrong.
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Nothing. People can make it up later in the day. Besides, people who are dedicated don’t allow for many missed meals or only miss meals when they don’t have a choice. Anyway, as you say, it’s not like the body goes catabolic because of one missed meal out of dozens throughout a month. If I recall correctly, it takes 48 hours of NO food for the body to start degrading. Most people wouldn’t lose even if they didn’t eat for a WHOLE DAY, although that’s not what most prefer unless they’re into some rational, well planned IF scheme.[/quote]
48 hours every time? depends how much glucose your body has stored (which depends on carb intake mainly)
i thought this was basic knowledge…[/quote]
I don’t know everything and don’t haven’t studied fasting much. I’m not a fan of it either. I tried the IF thing for a few weeks and didn’t like it. Some people love it and have had great results with it. I couldn’t stand it.
I didn’t watch the video but I think something should be cleared up.
For me there’s a difference between fast food and junk food. I feel like a quarter pounder with cheese is significantly more beneficial then a bag of doritoes, after lifting. I’ve never seen it put fat on someone who is in the middle of a cycle where they are lifting hard. They may or may not lose fat, but gaining no.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I didn’t watch the video but I think something should be cleared up.
For me there’s a difference between fast food and junk food. I feel like a quarter pounder with cheese is significantly more beneficial then a bag of doritoes, after lifting. I’ve never seen it put fat on someone who is in the middle of a cycle where they are lifting hard. They may or may not lose fat, but gaining no.
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[quote]qeynos wrote:
48 hours every time? depends how much glucose your body has stored (which depends on carb intake mainly)
i thought this was basic knowledge…[/quote]
This is what happens when pseudoscience written for couch potatoes gets preached to the masses like it goes the same for the guy working out daily.
That would also be the difference in being some huge fat ass eating doughnuts…and a guy who is building great muscle and eats a hamburger.
Your genetics and how you train should dictate how you personally need to eat.
My guess is, most of the very ones here who are so loud about how perfect their diet is are making some of the lesser progress on the board.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My guess is, most of the very ones here who are so loud about how perfect their diet is are making some of the lesser progress on the board.[/quote]
Who are these people boasting how perfect their diets are?
There are people who kept and are keeping very strict tabs on their diets who made and are making great progress, like some on this board.
Professor X, you seem to have contempt for most people on this board and most gymrats. If you do, why so?
Also, because you’re a seasoned vet, I’d like to know what you recommend for weight gain.
Like, say you got a guy in his early 20’s with a medium paced metabolism and fairly lean.
Stats:
180 pounds
5’10"
12% bodyfat
What do you recommend for:
total calories
percent fat
percent carb
grams of protein per pound
I know you have a high caloric amount to maintain your mass.
What does a 1000 calorie meal look like for you?
Conversely, let’s say you got a guy with 25% bodyfat and he’s 240 pounds. What caloric, carb, and fat amount do you recommend? Do you start with straight caloric reduction or do you set up a carb cycling scheme or some severely restrictive diet a la the Get Shredded Diet or Rapid Fat Loss? How much cardio? HIIT or SS or both?
If you don’t care to share info, that’s fine. Just, if you can, avoid talk in the abstract, like, “It depends–depends on whether the guy’s hungry or not”, or, “eat less,” or “eat more,” or, “People are busy; not everyone’s a trainer; people got lives…,” or, “In order to be as big as possible…,” etc., etc.
Also what do you advise for portion control for those that don’t want to count calories? What model do you use? Is a protein portion the size of a deck of cards? A carb serving the size of a fist or cupped palmful? Or do you just advise people wanting to get big to just indiscriminately stuff their faces on whatever they like?
I know the conversation has shifted but I don’t feel like reading all of the responses.
personally unless dieting I agree junk food over no food especially for begginners.
Sure in the grand scheme of things missing a meal and making up for it later is no big deal but I feel like you should never let a begginner know this is okay because it creates a piss poor attitude among people that have not yet built the dedication to make sure they are hiting their calorie and macronutrient goals for the day or week or whatever.
This is why when someone asks me how to get big in addition to lifting I tell them to eat every 2 hours. Sure this isn’t really necessary but I think developing the discipline with meal timing OCD is important for begginner lifters otherwise they end up under eating and making no progress and have no idea why.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I know the conversation has shifted but I don’t feel like reading all of the responses.
personally unless dieting I agree junk food over no food especially for begginners.
Sure in the grand scheme of things missing a meal and making up for it later is no big deal but I feel like you should never let a begginner know this is okay because it creates a piss poor attitude among people that have not yet built the dedication to make sure they are hiting their calorie and macronutrient goals for the day or week or whatever.
This is why when someone asks me how to get big in addition to lifting I tell them to eat every 2 hours. Sure this isn’t really necessary but I think developing the discipline with meal timing OCD is important for begginner lifters otherwise they end up under eating and making no progress and have no idea why.[/quote]
Which is the main reason those with that mindset are the ones who end up really big. You don’t get huge muscles by being conservative with food intake unless drugs are involved. If you plan on building a solid foundation that won’t shrivel as soon as your last injection is over with, having the mindset that you can make it up later is a plan for failure.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I know the conversation has shifted but I don’t feel like reading all of the responses.
personally unless dieting I agree junk food over no food especially for begginners.
Sure in the grand scheme of things missing a meal and making up for it later is no big deal but I feel like you should never let a begginner know this is okay because it creates a piss poor attitude among people that have not yet built the dedication to make sure they are hiting their calorie and macronutrient goals for the day or week or whatever.
This is why when someone asks me how to get big in addition to lifting I tell them to eat every 2 hours. Sure this isn’t really necessary but I think developing the discipline with meal timing OCD is important for begginner lifters otherwise they end up under eating and making no progress and have no idea why.[/quote]
Which is the main reason those with that mindset are the ones who end up really big. You don’t get huge muscles by being conservative with food intake unless drugs are involved. If you plan on building a solid foundation that won’t shrivel as soon as your last injection is over with, having the mindset that you can make it up later is a plan for failure.[/quote]
I tried to post a link, but doubt it will go through.
Google Nate Green Bigger Smaller Bigger 
quick details. Gained 20#s in 28 days, lost it in like 4 and regained it in one… did fasting once per week (even I found that odd for such an experiment)…
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I know the conversation has shifted but I don’t feel like reading all of the responses.
personally unless dieting I agree junk food over no food especially for begginners.
Sure in the grand scheme of things missing a meal and making up for it later is no big deal but I feel like you should never let a begginner know this is okay because it creates a piss poor attitude among people that have not yet built the dedication to make sure they are hiting their calorie and macronutrient goals for the day or week or whatever.
This is why when someone asks me how to get big in addition to lifting I tell them to eat every 2 hours. Sure this isn’t really necessary but I think developing the discipline with meal timing OCD is important for begginner lifters otherwise they end up under eating and making no progress and have no idea why.[/quote]
Which is the main reason those with that mindset are the ones who end up really big. You don’t get huge muscles by being conservative with food intake unless drugs are involved. If you plan on building a solid foundation that won’t shrivel as soon as your last injection is over with, having the mindset that you can make it up later is a plan for failure.[/quote]
I tried to post a link, but doubt it will go through.
Google Nate Green Bigger Smaller Bigger
quick details. Gained 20#s in 28 days, lost it in like 4 and regained it in one… did fasting once per week (even I found that odd for such an experiment)…
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I don’t have anything against Nate Green, but why I wold I want to have that as a goal? He isn’t “really big” in my opinion…so what was the point of posting that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I know the conversation has shifted but I don’t feel like reading all of the responses.
personally unless dieting I agree junk food over no food especially for begginners.
Sure in the grand scheme of things missing a meal and making up for it later is no big deal but I feel like you should never let a begginner know this is okay because it creates a piss poor attitude among people that have not yet built the dedication to make sure they are hiting their calorie and macronutrient goals for the day or week or whatever.
This is why when someone asks me how to get big in addition to lifting I tell them to eat every 2 hours. Sure this isn’t really necessary but I think developing the discipline with meal timing OCD is important for begginner lifters otherwise they end up under eating and making no progress and have no idea why.[/quote]
Which is the main reason those with that mindset are the ones who end up really big. You don’t get huge muscles by being conservative with food intake unless drugs are involved. If you plan on building a solid foundation that won’t shrivel as soon as your last injection is over with, having the mindset that you can make it up later is a plan for failure.[/quote]
I tried to post a link, but doubt it will go through.
Google Nate Green Bigger Smaller Bigger
quick details. Gained 20#s in 28 days, lost it in like 4 and regained it in one… did fasting once per week (even I found that odd for such an experiment)…
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I don’t have anything against Nate Green, but why I wold I want to have that as a goal? He isn’t “really big” in my opinion…so what was the point of posting that?
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I hear ya, but part of what you harp on is at least people making progress, granted he’s not BB huge, I get that. But, you can’t deny that as an experiment the guy manned up and made it happen.
the biggest thing thought that I was pointing out, is he gained 20#s in 28 days and purposely missed a whole day of feeding every week… Just to put things into perspective, that’s 4 whole days where the original post has people worrying about missing one meal.
I get it though, the mindset of missing meals can be one that limits many people from gaining, but it’s the mindset and plan they have that fails, not the one missed meal.
Dude, this isn’t and has never been about just “making progress”. Yeah, 20lbs is good progress. 80lbs is freaking great progress. 100lbs is rarely seen without the person being obese…so when I speak of guys who got huge, I mean the ones who walk into the gym and everyone stares…not guys who fit the abercrombie mould and disappear in a t-shirt.
Yeah, if your goal isn’t to even be that big, maybe you can walk around missing meals and making it up later. No one who gets “holy shit” thrown at them when they leave the house did that though.
You are talking about guys who wouldn’t stand out much if they wore clothes unless they were tight as hell. That ain’t “really big” and never has been.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, this isn’t and has never been about just “making progress”. Yeah, 20lbs is good progress. 80lbs is freaking great progress. 100lbs is rarely seen without the person being obese…so when I speak of guys who got huge, I mean the ones who walk into the gym and everyone stares…not guys who fit the abercrombie mould and disappear in a t-shirt.
Yeah, if your goal isn’t to even be that big, maybe you can walk around missing meals and making it up later. No one who gets “holy shit” thrown at them when they leave the house did that though.
You are talking about guys who wouldn’t stand out much if they wore clothes unless they were tight as hell. That ain’t “really big” and never has been.[/quote]
Must be awesome to always sit on a high horse. the fact that you can’t learn from others even if they haven’t achieved LEVEL 9 Paladin with the sword of destruction, is sad… then again you’re a level 9 Paladin
