Tuesday, May 22nd, 2012
Back/Biceps
Conventional Deadlift:
135 X 5
225 X 5
330 X 5 @ 65%
385 X 5 @ 75%
435 X 5 @ 85%
Face-away Pulldowns:
110 X 2 X 15
130 X 2 X 8
HS Rows:
210 X 4 X 6
Deadstop DB Rows:
65’s X 8
75’s X 2 X 8
85’s X 8
Stretchers:
70 X 3 X 10
HS 1-Arm Curls:
65 X 10
80 X 10
95 X 10
Rope Curls:
90 X 3 X 10
Good workout. Weights felt pretty decent. Hopefully I can keep this momentum going even through RFL.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Glad to have you back man. I feel you on stress for Finals week. Trying to keep that GPA high for Law School made getting training in during those last few weeks very difficult.
I wouldn’t stress over it too much, just a minor bump in the grand scheme of things. Interested to see how RFL works for ya. Before and after pics would be nice.[/quote]
Ha I saw you still got your sessions in though! That is some dedication I just can’t seem to find anymore. I’ll definitely post up some before and afters. Looking as lean as I’ve seen you in your avatar, good work.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
I’ve noticed that you’re pretty consistent with your exercise selection. Ever thought about experimenting with different exercises? You’re obviously gaining from what you’re doing. Just wondering if you’ve ever given it any thought.[/quote]
Ha, I was thinking the same thing and thought it was about time for to switch things up. Monday has been tweaked quite a bit and I’ll see exactly what I want to do for Tuesday and Thursday. I think Friday and Saturday are pretty good for at the moment. Any exercises you like for back, biceps and shoulders?
[/quote]
Back - Free t-bar row, CS t-bar row, and any seated row are my faves
Biceps - Barbell cheat curls and cable curls
Shoulders - Any OH press; really liking really high rep Bradfords lately
but I’m a fat powerlifter so yeah lol[/quote]
I just realized I’ve never done T-bar rows in my life. I will be doing those in the near future. OH presses aren’t an option for me though, way too many impingement issues come with that. Thanks for the recommendations, boss.
Thursday, May 24th, 2012
Shoulders/Abs
RC Work
Smith Low-Incline:
135 X 10
185 X 8
225 X 6
235 X 6
Seated DB Lateral Raises:
20’s X 20
30’s X 15
35’s X 3 X 12
Seated DB Rear Delt Raises:
20’s X 20
30’s X 15
35’s X 3 X 12
Face-pulls:
70 X 4 X 12
Band Pullaparts w/1 second hold & stretch:
Purple X 6 X 10
BB Shrugs/Band Row Superset:
135 X 10/Green X 12
225 X 10/Green X 12
315 X 10/Green X 12
365 X 10/Green X 12
Standing Abs:
130 X 4 X 15
Good workout. I looked a bit smaller than normal in clothes but strength is improving and I look pretty good shirtless. I’m thinking 4 weeks of Category 1 RFL in addition to clenbuterol should leave me about where I want to be.
LOL @ 4 weeks. If you can go that long I will be impressed.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
LOL @ 4 weeks. If you can go that long I will be impressed.[/quote]
2 cycles. 12 days on, 2 day refeed + 12 days on, 2 day refeed = 4 weeks. But you are the expert (srs), so we’ll see.
That should workout well. IMO. Drop a ton of weight/fat like that with very little if any muscle loss especaily with the clen. You gonna run that for the 4 weeks? Isnt it more like a 2 on 2 off to help wiht down regulation?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That should workout well. IMO. Drop a ton of weight/fat like that with very little if any muscle loss especaily with the clen. You gonna run that for the 4 weeks? Isnt it more like a 2 on 2 off to help wiht down regulation?[/quote]
First, I appreciate you posting in my log. I know we’ve had our differences out in the open forum but I recognize you as a smart person with a lot of first-hand experience on different diet protocols and I value your opinion.
Yeah, plan for the clen is 2 weeks on, ramping from 20mcg to 120mcg ED followed by 2 weeks off. I was thinking about doing a ‘2 week diet break’ and then another 2 week cycle like Lyle recommends but I really just want to get the dieting done with as quick as possible.
What do you think? I was considering two weeks of traditional dieting after the RFL stint but I don’t even know if that will be necessary.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That should workout well. IMO. Drop a ton of weight/fat like that with very little if any muscle loss especaily with the clen. You gonna run that for the 4 weeks? Isnt it more like a 2 on 2 off to help wiht down regulation?[/quote]
First, I appreciate you posting in my log. I know we’ve had our differences out in the open forum but I recognize you as a smart person with a lot of first-hand experience on different diet protocols and I value your opinion.
Yeah, plan for the clen is 2 weeks on, ramping from 20mcg to 120mcg ED followed by 2 weeks off. I was thinking about doing a ‘2 week diet break’ and then another 2 week cycle like Lyle recommends but I really just want to get the dieting done with as quick as possible.
What do you think? I was considering two weeks of traditional dieting after the RFL stint but I don’t even know if that will be necessary. [/quote]
Meh no biggie. If everyone agreed then what fun would that be. Lots less interesting i can say that. Appreciate the comments man.
I understand what you mean about getting the dieting done and out of the way. That is my personal way of doing it. Just hard and fast with cardio fat burner ect.
So condsidering your goal is to get it done. I would do 12 days RFL hard maybe ECA stack. Refeed 2 days then clen for the next 12 and refeed and evaluate.
Can yohimbine be used with clen cant remeber? Also not sure if the ECA precedeing the Clen works or if they act on the same receptors been a while since i have looked at those things at all.
4 weeks of RFL as a Cat 1? That’s cray.
I would imagine that you’d be lookin good after one full run through and not need another.
Sir - Your plan looks good. Clen is definitely anabolically-sparing, as far as a fat-loss ‘supplement’ is concerned.
You may even be able to work up to higher than 120mcg/day. I know a particular fella who happens to be huge jacked ripped and is currently prepping for a show (and has a thread WAY over in the bb section…) who I think is at like 160mcgs a day soon or some shit.
Now, personally, one time I took 80mcgs at a time and felt like a fucking crackhead. I’m glad it was dead on the weekend when I did this, because man, I was seriously like unable to hold on to my weights well, drink water, etc. just because I was so damn shaky and tweaky.
2 weeks on/2 weeks off is exactly what I do and seems to be the conventional way to do it. I do also know, however, two trustable people I know take it EOD with Yohimbine on the “off days.” Yohimbine doesn’t something something with down regulators and yadda yadda technical jargon I didn’t really understand, haha.
When I like do take Clen again, I think I’ll personally probably approach to an EOD capacity. I could definitely notice a smidgeon of a drop-off on the “off” two-weeks.
Overall, I’d the say the plan sounds solid, although I have no experience with RFL but it seems to work really well with every who runs it correctly. So, kill it regardless of what you choose to do.
hey you ever try neutral gri over head press with db’s? Same for high incline presses. Shit owns for working the angles and no shoulder pain/bother. Also i started doing a shit load of back and rear delt work, kept my front laterals to a minimum, and most of side laterals are partials…and i can OH press again with the bar…things to think about.
Ok, I’ll be honest and say I literally know almost nothing on ‘super supps’. I’m asking just out of pure ignorance, does this mean you are no longer ‘natty’? Or is clen kind of a ‘middle ground’ that you can kind of go either way with? And if it kind of takes away your ‘natty’ label, does that mean you make eventually get on some REAL good shit? Because I think that would be interesting to see you go to that next level.
I don’t think I said anything offensive in that, but I know sometimes things come off weird over the internet, so if I crossed a line or anything with my questions, I apologize. I’m just genuinely interested. lol
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Ok, I’ll be honest and say I literally know almost nothing on ‘super supps’. I’m asking just out of pure ignorance, does this mean you are no longer ‘natty’? Or is clen kind of a ‘middle ground’ that you can kind of go either way with? And if it kind of takes away your ‘natty’ label, does that mean you make eventually get on some REAL good shit? Because I think that would be interesting to see you go to that next level.
I don’t think I said anything offensive in that, but I know sometimes things come off weird over the internet, so if I crossed a line or anything with my questions, I apologize. I’m just genuinely interested. lol[/quote]
I lol’ed
Friday, May 25th, 2012
Legs
Front Squat:
135 X 8
225 X 6
245 X 6
275 X 3
Barbell RDL’s:
135 X 8
225 X 8
275 X 8
325 X 6
Leg Press:
3pps X 8
4pps X 8
5pps X 8
6pps X 8
Adductor Machine:
50 X 2 X 15
65 X 2 X 15
Lying Leg Curls:
65 X 3 X 10
Barbell Hyperextensions:
100 X 3 X 10
Wow. I am absolutely stuffing my face but I’m running out of energy pretty quickly. My metabolism is raging right now. Good session. Legs are looking pretty separated albeit smaller and I’m not even dieting yet. I am excite! Adductor work was put in after reading a Brad Davis/Black Moses post on the God of Hormones forum. Things are going to change next week…
You’ll bring secksi back i.e. Bug will post again. But seriously, gains before a plan even gains momentum is a sweet feeling.
Wow, a lot of writing to do! lol. Thanks for all the interest and advice, I appreciate it.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Meh no biggie. If everyone agreed then what fun would that be. Lots less interesting i can say that. Appreciate the comments man.
I understand what you mean about getting the dieting done and out of the way. That is my personal way of doing it. Just hard and fast with cardio fat burner ect.
So condsidering your goal is to get it done. I would do 12 days RFL hard maybe ECA stack. Refeed 2 days then clen for the next 12 and refeed and evaluate.
Can yohimbine be used with clen cant remeber? Also not sure if the ECA precedeing the Clen works or if they act on the same receptors been a while since i have looked at those things at all.[/quote]
Haha agreed, a little arguing on a forum never hurt anyone.
ECA and clen would actually act on the same receptors so that’s out as an option. I would give the yohimbine a shot but I saw a post over on the ProM forums about a negative reaction when using that and clen (when the subject is using ManPower research products). Plus, don’t really want to throw everything in just yet, you know? Thanks for the suggestions though.
[quote]gregron wrote:
4 weeks of RFL as a Cat 1? That’s cray.
I would imagine that you’d be lookin good after one full run through and not need another.[/quote]
Haha I know, right? Two cycles…it’s going to be a painful experience. If I do look in the shape I want to be (lower ab veins, very lean lower back, visible serratus) I’ll stop it early. However, this is beyond being pool/beach ready (I’m already there) and more about checking just how much lean mass I have when quite lean. I think you and I are in agreement about the limitations on naturals and this is a bit of an experiment to see how true they hold for me.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Sir - Your plan looks good. Clen is definitely anabolically-sparing, as far as a fat-loss ‘supplement’ is concerned.
You may even be able to work up to higher than 120mcg/day. I know a particular fella who happens to be huge jacked ripped and is currently prepping for a show (and has a thread WAY over in the bb section…) who I think is at like 160mcgs a day soon or some shit.
Now, personally, one time I took 80mcgs at a time and felt like a fucking crackhead. I’m glad it was dead on the weekend when I did this, because man, I was seriously like unable to hold on to my weights well, drink water, etc. just because I was so damn shaky and tweaky.
2 weeks on/2 weeks off is exactly what I do and seems to be the conventional way to do it. I do also know, however, two trustable people I know take it EOD with Yohimbine on the “off days.” Yohimbine doesn’t something something with down regulators and yadda yadda technical jargon I didn’t really understand, haha.
When I like do take Clen again, I think I’ll personally probably approach to an EOD capacity. I could definitely notice a smidgeon of a drop-off on the “off” two-weeks.
Overall, I’d the say the plan sounds solid, although I have no experience with RFL but it seems to work really well with every who runs it correctly. So, kill it regardless of what you choose to do.[/quote]
Thanks boss! Glad to know my plan isn’t completely retarded.
Haha, that fella is also 260 and on some hormonas. It will be a long while before I work up to his dosages on most things 
Bug and I discussed and we decided I should go with a 3 week on approach, indefinite time off. I hear y’all have been discussing that in BOI? I’ll start after Week 1 of RFL, you know, following the whole ‘don’t throw your ace down too early’ thing.
[quote]bignate wrote:
hey you ever try neutral gri over head press with db’s? Same for high incline presses. Shit owns for working the angles and no shoulder pain/bother. Also i started doing a shit load of back and rear delt work, kept my front laterals to a minimum, and most of side laterals are partials…and i can OH press again with the bar…things to think about. [/quote]
I can’t say I have…people have really been reminding me that I don’t experiment a whole lot with my exercise selection. lol. I don’t know that I really need any pure front delt stimulation though, I think that gets hit pretty hard from all the presses that I do.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Ok, I’ll be honest and say I literally know almost nothing on ‘super supps’. I’m asking just out of pure ignorance, does this mean you are no longer ‘natty’? Or is clen kind of a ‘middle ground’ that you can kind of go either way with? And if it kind of takes away your ‘natty’ label, does that mean you make eventually get on some REAL good shit? Because I think that would be interesting to see you go to that next level.
I don’t think I said anything offensive in that, but I know sometimes things come off weird over the internet, so if I crossed a line or anything with my questions, I apologize. I’m just genuinely interested. lol[/quote]
I lol’ed[/quote]
I lol’ed too.
Bro, I am the very last guy to ever be offended by a question of this nature. I am VERY interested in this subject and actually get a bit peeved when those who are clearly on certain substances either deny their use or refuse to discuss it. Clenbuterol, to me, is definitely a drug that inhabits a gray area along with peptides. Personally, I consider those who use those drugs to still be natural but I wouldn’t support them competing in an arena where those drugs are banned.
I am completely sure that I will continue on to use AAS and GH. However, The3Commandments did make an excellent post in my log about goals changing that has stuck in my mind. I may not be as into being a gymrat in the future as I am now but I know that I always want to LOOK GOOD and HRT doses coupled with low dose GH will always help with that goal.
However, at this time I’m pretty confident that I want to achieve a look that is impossible for naturals and so I will take that next step in the future. When that time comes I’ll be open to any and all questions. After all, Brad ‘b-boy’ Davis is my role model! lol
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
You’ll bring secksi back i.e. Bug will post again. But seriously, gains before a plan even gains momentum is a sweet feeling.[/quote]
Haha yes it is! I just wish I had been eating more. It’s tough switching from moderate calories purely from junk food to high calories in ‘clean’ food. The difference in food volume is pretty intense.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Ok, I’ll be honest and say I literally know almost nothing on ‘super supps’. I’m asking just out of pure ignorance, does this mean you are no longer ‘natty’? Or is clen kind of a ‘middle ground’ that you can kind of go either way with? And if it kind of takes away your ‘natty’ label, does that mean you make eventually get on some REAL good shit? Because I think that would be interesting to see you go to that next level.
I don’t think I said anything offensive in that, but I know sometimes things come off weird over the internet, so if I crossed a line or anything with my questions, I apologize. I’m just genuinely interested. lol[/quote]
Man, I’ll just keep this brief. I like you Spidey, so I’ll keeps it real.
It just doesn’t matter.
Labels are a totally arbitrary and made-up thing.
Clen is not legal. Not at all. How you interpret its standing is usage is totally individual from there man.
Do Natural Bodybuilding Competitions allow Clenbuterol use? No. If you ask a legit juicer if Clenbuterol officially pushes you as a “non-natty,” you’ll get different opinions altogether.
So, I don’t think anyone can really answer this for you. Ultimately, you really do have to answer it for yourself.
P.S., I have not magically turned into Ronnie Coleman since I may or may not have taken Clen before.
Hahaha thanks guys for the detailed info, I’m glad I could provide lulz. And like I said, sorry I’m so ignorant on the subject. I didn’t even know Clen was illegal lol #newb
I don’t really care about the labeling of ‘natty’ or ‘enhanced’ or whatever. I’m honestly just interested in Champs future plans, because I’d like to kind of follow along the journey of an advanced natty as they take that ‘next’ step. I’m pretty sure I asked Bug once in his log if maybe he had hit point where super supps would be a logical next step, for the same reason. I’ve never really seen a log of someone as they go through that change, or legit before and after pics (I know theirs pics of ppl like Ronnie in natty competitions and such, but I’m more interested in those with less-then-elite genetics. lol), Champ has seemed to be moderately open to the subject before, so I was just wondering if maybe this was potential sign of more to come. lol
I’m excited to see how this works out though. The stint with Clen was my favorite part of SSC’s log too, just because, Idk, it’s never talked about, yet obviously an aspect of this game. lol Good luck man
God, you are popular. I look forward to seeing your shredded ass. Feel free to send pics, full frontal preferred.