Clen!!! NOT NATTY!!!
lol
Looking solid man- I would have guessed heavier than low 180’s based on the pics. Nice work.
FINALLY WE UNVEIL YOU TO THE WORLD.
Mad proud of you lil brother. <3
SHit damn man. You have a lot of thickness. Looking very good. The RFL did its job. Leaned out very fast and no loss of any mass.
Also very pissed now. i have opened 3 logs since i have added pics and each of the three have pics of huge lean bastards. I now feel tiny and fat. THankx
You really gonna jump on a tren/test cycle right away rather than just do a test only cyle and get as much from that as you can. From most of what i have read here and at a site with much more advanced guys they will say you want to get as much out of every step you can. So achieve as much as you can natty. Then start with low dose test only and slowly add more. Then add in a compund ect ect.
At your leaness a cycle is great though. Your body will be ready to GROW. and you assimilate nutrients that much better in that lean state and add in some extra anabolic and you will have growth city.
Just my opinions/thoughts
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
SHit damn man. You have a lot of thickness. Looking very good. The RFL did its job. Leaned out very fast and no loss of any mass.
Also very pissed now. i have opened 3 logs since i have added pics and each of the three have pics of huge lean bastards. I now feel tiny and fat. THankx
You really gonna jump on a tren/test cycle right away rather than just do a test only cyle and get as much from that as you can. From most of what i have read here and at a site with much more advanced guys they will say you want to get as much out of every step you can. So achieve as much as you can natty. Then start with low dose test only and slowly add more. Then add in a compund ect ect.
At your leaness a cycle is great though. Your body will be ready to GROW. and you assimilate nutrients that much better in that lean state and add in some extra anabolic and you will have growth city.
Just my opinions/thoughts[/quote]
GTFO with that 500 mg Test E first cycle lol…we go hard in tha paint, GH15 style.
165statechamp is a great example of how a lean physique looks a million times better & BIGGER than that same physique bulked up 20-30 pounds. I would never have guessed that he weighed under 200 lbs. Great job homie.
EDIT: just saw you’re only 20??? WTF man, you are putting me to shame. Must be those middle-eastern genetics. Or just plain 'ol hard work.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
SHit damn man. You have a lot of thickness. Looking very good. The RFL did its job. Leaned out very fast and no loss of any mass.
Also very pissed now. i have opened 3 logs since i have added pics and each of the three have pics of huge lean bastards. I now feel tiny and fat. THankx
You really gonna jump on a tren/test cycle right away rather than just do a test only cyle and get as much from that as you can. From most of what i have read here and at a site with much more advanced guys they will say you want to get as much out of every step you can. So achieve as much as you can natty. Then start with low dose test only and slowly add more. Then add in a compund ect ect.
At your leaness a cycle is great though. Your body will be ready to GROW. and you assimilate nutrients that much better in that lean state and add in some extra anabolic and you will have growth city.
Just my opinions/thoughts[/quote]
GTFO with that 500 mg Test E first cycle lol…we go hard in tha paint, GH15 style.
165statechamp is a great example of how a lean physique looks a million times better & BIGGER than that same physique bulked up 20-30 pounds. I would never have guessed that he weighed under 200 lbs. Great job homie.
EDIT: just saw you’re only 20??? WTF man, you are putting me to shame. Must be those middle-eastern genetics. Or just plain 'ol hard work.
[/quote]
u r my inspiration (srs). I saw semi-recent progress pics and you look nuts dude. /nuthug
Ur hawt. I will be following with great enthusiasm when you do starting using.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
SHit damn man. You have a lot of thickness. Looking very good. The RFL did its job. Leaned out very fast and no loss of any mass.
Also very pissed now. i have opened 3 logs since i have added pics and each of the three have pics of huge lean bastards. I now feel tiny and fat. THankx
You really gonna jump on a tren/test cycle right away rather than just do a test only cyle and get as much from that as you can. From most of what i have read here and at a site with much more advanced guys they will say you want to get as much out of every step you can. So achieve as much as you can natty. Then start with low dose test only and slowly add more. Then add in a compund ect ect.
At your leaness a cycle is great though. Your body will be ready to GROW. and you assimilate nutrients that much better in that lean state and add in some extra anabolic and you will have growth city.
Just my opinions/thoughts[/quote]
GTFO with that 500 mg Test E first cycle lol…we go hard in tha paint, GH15 style.
165statechamp is a great example of how a lean physique looks a million times better & BIGGER than that same physique bulked up 20-30 pounds. I would never have guessed that he weighed under 200 lbs. Great job homie.
EDIT: just saw you’re only 20??? WTF man, you are putting me to shame. Must be those middle-eastern genetics. Or just plain 'ol hard work.
[/quote]
u r my inspiration (srs). I saw semi-recent progress pics and you look nuts dude. /nuthug
[/quote]
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage[/quote]
I’m far from an expert, but I think a lot of it has to do with certain simple compounds like test aren’t going to be the most beneficial for maintaining an acceptable body comp “on the way up” so to speak, especially for people that aren’t naturally shredded and wanna stay close to single-digit bodyfat.
Maybe some people don’t mind being bloofy fisike filts, but being super bloated and putting on excess water weight just for bodyweight’s sake isn’t a super productive exercise from a bodybuilding point of view.
Goddamnit 165statechamp.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage[/quote]
I’m far from an expert, but I think a lot of it has to do with certain simple compounds like test aren’t going to be the most beneficial for maintaining an acceptable body comp “on the way up” so to speak, especially for people that aren’t naturally shredded and wanna stay close to single-digit bodyfat.
Maybe some people don’t mind being bloofy fisike filts, but being super bloated and putting on excess water weight just for bodyweight’s sake isn’t a super productive exercise from a bodybuilding point of view.
[/quote]
Certainly agree witht that and the water weight having no benifit past joint health which not a lot is needed. But i think with proper estrogen control and some cardio especailly, FMC, Fat gain can be greatly mitigated. Just takes some extra work and time. But doing lose dose test and a higher dose of tren or the like will certainly make the body weight gain cleaner. Also GH is very good in regards to this as well and i feel it can used safer than a lot of AAS in terms of health. But gh and tren use will cause some amazing changes in lean mass with very little fat gain and even with high high calorie intake. Anways sorry for injecting my opinions in here. I will stop rambling
Tuesday, June 19th, 2012
Back/Biceps
Conventional Deadlift:
135 X 5
225 X 5
340 X 3 @ 70%
390 X 3 @ 80%
435 X 3 @ 90%
Deadstop DB Rows:
85’s X 8
90’s X 8
95’s X 8
100’s X 8
Cable Low Row:
120 X 10
150 X 10
180 X 10
200 X 10
1-Hand Pulldowns:
70 X 4 X 10
Hammer Rope Curls:
100 X 3 X 12
Overhead Curls:
80 X 4 X 10
Went to the pool today…there were only like three aesthetic girls though I looked pretty sexy. Opened some girl’s Gatorade which was the highlight of the trip. lmao. Maybe it was all the time in the sun, but today’s lifting did not go well. Deadlifts were slow and I couldn’t really get a pump. I’m going to start eating more. Two more days of clen and then I’ll be done with that for the foreseeable future. It’s a great drug that I seem to respond well to but it destroys my appetite so much that it’s pointless to use in the offseason.
Could try some T3…or some ephedrine caffeine and green tea in the mornings during your fast. I would reccomend using green tea pretty much year round though. Will help wiht insulin sensitivty along with an array of health beneiftis.
First off, thanks for all the replies and comments. It feels good to have a popular log where a lot of interesting discussion takes place. I appreciate all the interest. There’s no crappier feeling on the internet than when you post something you think is soooooo cool and not a single fuck is given by anyone. lol.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you look awesome man[/quote]
Thanks buddy! I appreciate it.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Good shit man. That’s a pretty good level of leanness to be walking around at. I’m nowhere near advanced enough to point of weaknesses or lagging body parts. Just saying good job.
What’s the difference in weight between the before and after?[/quote]
Thanks boss, appreciate the compliment. I don’t see myself walking at this leanness year-round but it’s nice to know that it’s only two weeks away if I want it.
I started the diet at 191 lbs (honestly closer to 189) and ended it at 180 lbs (but looked my best at 182). So…anywhere from 7-11 pounds. lol. It’s hard to know exactly because of scale changes and other differences.
[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
Clen!!! NOT NATTY!!!
lol
Looking solid man- I would have guessed heavier than low 180’s based on the pics. Nice work.[/quote]
Haha, some don’t approve of clen! I appreciate the compliment. I am a small-jointed mofo with decent shape from the front and lean so I tend to look larger than my weight.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
FINALLY WE UNVEIL YOU TO THE WORLD.
Mad proud of you lil brother. <3[/quote]
Broooooo, you are legit one of my biggest inspirations and a real role model, in both lifting and the real world. You have influenced me positively in so many ways I can’t even list them. I am so glad we’re friends. I value your advice over anyone’s on this site.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
SHit damn man. You have a lot of thickness. Looking very good. The RFL did its job. Leaned out very fast and no loss of any mass.
Also very pissed now. i have opened 3 logs since i have added pics and each of the three have pics of huge lean bastards. I now feel tiny and fat. THankx
You really gonna jump on a tren/test cycle right away rather than just do a test only cyle and get as much from that as you can. From most of what i have read here and at a site with much more advanced guys they will say you want to get as much out of every step you can. So achieve as much as you can natty. Then start with low dose test only and slowly add more. Then add in a compund ect ect.
At your leaness a cycle is great though. Your body will be ready to GROW. and you assimilate nutrients that much better in that lean state and add in some extra anabolic and you will have growth city.
Just my opinions/thoughts[/quote]
GTFO with that 500 mg Test E first cycle lol…we go hard in tha paint, GH15 style.
165statechamp is a great example of how a lean physique looks a million times better & BIGGER than that same physique bulked up 20-30 pounds. I would never have guessed that he weighed under 200 lbs. Great job homie.
EDIT: just saw you’re only 20??? WTF man, you are putting me to shame. Must be those middle-eastern genetics. Or just plain 'ol hard work.
[/quote]
u r my inspiration (srs). I saw semi-recent progress pics and you look nuts dude. /nuthug
[/quote]
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage[/quote]
BigDaddyBone/Proud_Virgin is a fucking WIZARD! Anyone who is reading this…read his words with care! He is one of the smartest people on this forum and is as knowledgeable as any. His posts are gold.
Ryan, check out the new GH15 forum. It’s a no-bullshit private forum where a bunch of like-minded fellas exchange knowledge. You can find P_V’s pics over there.
Hahaha I like to say genetics because it makes me feel better about my potential but truth is, it’s probably all hard work and using my brain. Pick your sources of knowledge carefully and then stick with them…consistency is king and always has been, in any venture.
Thanks for the kind words, guys. It’s great motivation!
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
Ur hawt. I will be following with great enthusiasm when you do starting using.[/quote]
Haha thanks bro. My goal is to get you to switch to the dark side 
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Goddamnit 165statechamp. [/quote]
Haha, I’ll take this as a compliment. Thank you, and thanks for stopping by.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage[/quote]
I’m far from an expert, but I think a lot of it has to do with certain simple compounds like test aren’t going to be the most beneficial for maintaining an acceptable body comp “on the way up” so to speak, especially for people that aren’t naturally shredded and wanna stay close to single-digit bodyfat.
Maybe some people don’t mind being bloofy fisike filts, but being super bloated and putting on excess water weight just for bodyweight’s sake isn’t a super productive exercise from a bodybuilding point of view.
[/quote]
Certainly agree witht that and the water weight having no benifit past joint health which not a lot is needed. But i think with proper estrogen control and some cardio especailly, FMC, Fat gain can be greatly mitigated. Just takes some extra work and time. But doing lose dose test and a higher dose of tren or the like will certainly make the body weight gain cleaner. Also GH is very good in regards to this as well and i feel it can used safer than a lot of AAS in terms of health. But gh and tren use will cause some amazing changes in lean mass with very little fat gain and even with high high calorie intake. Anways sorry for injecting my opinions in here. I will stop rambling[/quote]
Good back-and-forth right here, with a lot of knowledge! You have the grasp of things on both sides of the spectrum, Ryan. I don’t want to get bloofy/soft and so I plan on using tren when I blast and GH when I cruise on just test. Obviously if someone didn’t mind getting a little softer, sticking with simpler compounds would work for them. However, that’s not for me. When I look at waylanderxx, I feel as if his progress over his contest prep thread has absolutely decimated what he did with testosterone alone. That’s evidence enough for me that you need to throw in some harsher stuff to get the results that you want.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Could try some T3…or some ephedrine caffeine and green tea in the mornings during your fast. I would reccomend using green tea pretty much year round though. Will help wiht insulin sensitivty along with an array of health beneiftis.[/quote]
Ha, I have heard the worst things about using T3 as a natural. I think I will steer clear. I will definitely do the green tea thing but I’m a huge pussy about using drugs like ephedrine and caffeine (despite wanting to use steroids) that I think I’ll steer clear. Won’t those mess with my appetite anyways? I’m not like you. lol. I struggle to put down food.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage[/quote]
I’m far from an expert, but I think a lot of it has to do with certain simple compounds like test aren’t going to be the most beneficial for maintaining an acceptable body comp “on the way up” so to speak, especially for people that aren’t naturally shredded and wanna stay close to single-digit bodyfat.
Maybe some people don’t mind being bloofy fisike filts, but being super bloated and putting on excess water weight just for bodyweight’s sake isn’t a super productive exercise from a bodybuilding point of view.
[/quote]
Certainly agree witht that and the water weight having no benifit past joint health which not a lot is needed. But i think with proper estrogen control and some cardio especailly, FMC, Fat gain can be greatly mitigated. Just takes some extra work and time. But doing lose dose test and a higher dose of tren or the like will certainly make the body weight gain cleaner. Also GH is very good in regards to this as well and i feel it can used safer than a lot of AAS in terms of health. But gh and tren use will cause some amazing changes in lean mass with very little fat gain and even with high high calorie intake. Anways sorry for injecting my opinions in here. I will stop rambling[/quote]
Ryan, you are not incorrect…it is definitely the safest route to start with a small amount of test and add compounds. But remember, you are as big as your dose–all other factors equal. Other AAS were synthesized to improve upon testosterone’s anabolic properties, while minimizing its side effects. Different compounds work best for different people, the only way to find out is through experimentation.
What I find interesting is that very few people used testosterone until the mid/late-80’s, right about when rGH became widely available. Unless you use decent doses of GH, most people will just get bloofy with test.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
BigDaddyBone/Proud_Virgin is a fucking WIZARD! Anyone who is reading this…read his words with care! He is one of the smartest people on this forum and is as knowledgeable as any. His posts are gold. [/quote]
Whoa whoa whoa…those are tough words to live up to! I’m just a gym rat that loves to learn about all aspects of BBing–especially the “supplementation” side. Many people are more experienced then me and have more impressive physiques.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
u r my inspiration (srs). I saw semi-recent progress pics and you look nuts dude. /nuthug
[/quote]
Haha I bet…I can hear you now: “If this clown Proud_Virgin can do it, so can I” But on the real, even before I registered and would lurk on this site, I always admired your physique & performance in the weightroom. You’ve benched 405 I believe, right? Fucking insane dude.
You’re an inspiration to me in the sense that when I wanna slack on diet or training, I just think “C’mon bro, gotta catch up to bugeisha!”. Seriously, I really respect your accomplishments.
I just googled gh15 for the last hour and my mind is full of fucks. lol
Wow Champ, finally caught up with this.
You look fucking terrific, man. Seriously. Thick, lean, and one handsome dude. (srs homo)
I really don’t have much else to say that hasn’t been said already. Keep on doing what you’ve been doing, because clearly it’s working - well.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I just googled gh15 for the last hour and my mind is full of fucks. lol[/quote]
x2
Statechamp, any chance you could throw me a link to the forum you mentioned in a PM or an FB message (I’m in that BOI group so it shouldn’t be too hard). Will <3 U foreva
EDIT: I mean the BOI 2.0 one. I’m not cool enough for any other groups lolol
[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I just googled gh15 for the last hour and my mind is full of fucks. lol[/quote]
x2
Statechamp, any chance you could throw me a link to the forum you mentioned in a PM or an FB message (I’m in that BOI group so it shouldn’t be too hard). Will <3 U foreva[/quote]
x3 plz
Always looking to learn more
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
PV or bug where can i find these pics? I have always been interested.
PV i am familiar with GH’s protocols so that makes sense. It also makes sense to me to grow off the least that way you keep your health in check and when growth stalls especailly when trying to ge to freaky large you always have that ace up your sleeve of a new compound or a higher doseage[/quote]
I’m far from an expert, but I think a lot of it has to do with certain simple compounds like test aren’t going to be the most beneficial for maintaining an acceptable body comp “on the way up” so to speak, especially for people that aren’t naturally shredded and wanna stay close to single-digit bodyfat.
Maybe some people don’t mind being bloofy fisike filts, but being super bloated and putting on excess water weight just for bodyweight’s sake isn’t a super productive exercise from a bodybuilding point of view.
[/quote]
Certainly agree witht that and the water weight having no benifit past joint health which not a lot is needed. But i think with proper estrogen control and some cardio especailly, FMC, Fat gain can be greatly mitigated. Just takes some extra work and time. But doing lose dose test and a higher dose of tren or the like will certainly make the body weight gain cleaner. Also GH is very good in regards to this as well and i feel it can used safer than a lot of AAS in terms of health. But gh and tren use will cause some amazing changes in lean mass with very little fat gain and even with high high calorie intake. Anways sorry for injecting my opinions in here. I will stop rambling[/quote]
Ryan, you are not incorrect…it is definitely the safest route to start with a small amount of test and add compounds. But remember, you are as big as your dose–all other factors equal. Other AAS were synthesized to improve upon testosterone’s anabolic properties, while minimizing its side effects. Different compounds work best for different people, the only way to find out is through experimentation.
What I find interesting is that very few people used testosterone until the mid/late-80’s, right about when rGH became widely available. Unless you use decent doses of GH, most people will just get bloofy with test.
[/quote]
Agreed with the you are only as big as your dose…unless you are a genetic freak. Which i know i am not lol.
I am just trying to trying to learn. Problem is there are so many god damn opinions on what the right way and what the wrong way to do things are. So much bull shit to comb through. Getting there slowly but surely. And i do love to experiment. Problem is there needs to be funds for expirments and i wont have those for a good 8 years 