Not too many more pics of him out there because he doesnt compete anymore, but just look at the size of his arms in this one!
Ye can’t seriously think he is natural.You honestly think he was beating big drug users naturally pff
[quote]denisined wrote:
Ye can’t seriously think he is natural.You honestly think he was beating big drug users naturally pff[/quote]
Lol…here we go again…
[quote]denisined wrote:
Ye can’t seriously think he is natural.You honestly think he was beating big drug users naturally pff[/quote]
wasnt he tested tons of times?
[quote]denisined wrote:
Ye can’t seriously think he is natural.You honestly think he was beating big drug users naturally pff[/quote]
Hes natural fucking get over it.
He’s natural. In the other jeff willet thread debating if he used roids or not, we compared him to Jay Cutler, who is only an inch taller than jeff, yet 70 lbs heavier on stage!
side chest
Most Musc.
His Win in 03 Vid.
Jeff Willet is the fucking bomb.
His physique is a good inspiration , sure, and congratulations for his results and effort.
But not the term ‘natural’. Even if it is true this people are really few on the entire planet. people who read should know what to expect from their bodies. Also, look at his body weight fluctuation. Only this shows that he is not natural. Drugs can cause a big weight fluctuation, moving from off to on and vice versa. Plus that, no natural bodybuilder passes 10% body fat off season. The reason is that they need their bodies to get used to fat percentage, so they do not react negatively when the try to drop for contest.
As for the tests, there are ways to fool the control. e.g using ‘masks’ or using the drugs as preparation assistance long before contest etc.
I do not understand what you mean by NOT natural. In the off season, he’s 227, on stage he’s 198, and he diets down steadily for 16-20 weeks, so if you do the math, thats a little more than a pound loss per week, which is completely doable and a cheivable.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I do not understand what you mean by NOT natural. In the off season, he’s 227, on stage he’s 198, and he diets down steadily for 16-20 weeks, so if you do the math, thats a little more than a pound loss per week, which is completely doable and a cheivable.[/quote]
Layne Norton weighs the same off season and in contest as Jeff Willet or at least pretty close and none disputes him as natural And if they did then wow people are really stupid.
[quote]high_intensity wrote:
His physique is a good inspiration , sure, and congratulations for his results and effort.
But not the term ‘natural’. Even if it is true this people are really few on the entire planet. people who read should know what to expect from their bodies. Also, look at his body weight fluctuation. Only this shows that he is not natural. Drugs can cause a big weight fluctuation, moving from off to on and vice versa. Plus that, no natural bodybuilder passes 10% body fat off season. The reason is that they need their bodies to get used to fat percentage, so they do not react negatively when the try to drop for contest.
As for the tests, there are ways to fool the control. e.g using ‘masks’ or using the drugs as preparation assistance long before contest etc. [/quote]
The guy competed at the same weight for like 5 years while attempting to turn pro. Does that sound like something someone using drugs would be doing?
[quote]high_intensity wrote:
Also, look at his body weight fluctuation. Only this shows that he is not natural. Drugs can cause a big weight fluctuation, moving from off to on and vice versa. Plus that, no natural bodybuilder passes 10% body fat off season. The reason is that they need their bodies to get used to fat percentage, so they do not react negatively when the try to drop for contest.
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Wow,… you have absolutely idea what you’re talking about.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]high_intensity wrote:
Also, look at his body weight fluctuation. Only this shows that he is not natural. Drugs can cause a big weight fluctuation, moving from off to on and vice versa. Plus that, no natural bodybuilder passes 10% body fat off season. The reason is that they need their bodies to get used to fat percentage, so they do not react negatively when the try to drop for contest.
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Wow,… you have absolutely NO idea what you’re talking about.
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I think this is whatcha meant.
It pisses me off when people who have less than desirable physiques accuse others of cheating because they can’t achieve the same results. People at my gym thought I was “taking something” because I have lots of energy and go non stop when I start lifting. I would drink my whey right before lifting and people would say stupid shit like “betcha like that”. Same fat ass heads straight to the smith machine and proceeds to do half reps on his incline press (without a proper dynamic warm up no less). Never saw his fat ass do a leg workout not even the leg press!
It’s very simple. Those who desire more knowledge, lift with more intensity, and eat with muscle in mind will always have a better body than those who don’t. Just because you don’t squat til you can’t walk doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do. And when they do, don’t fucking accuse them of taking shit.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
It pisses me off when people who have less than desirable physiques accuse others of cheating because they can’t achieve the same results. People at my gym thought I was “taking something” because I have lots of energy and go non stop when I start lifting. I would drink my whey right before lifting and people would say stupid shit like “betcha like that”. Same fat ass heads straight to the smith machine and proceeds to do half reps on his incline press (without a proper dynamic warm up no less). Never saw his fat ass do a leg workout not even the leg press!
It’s very simple. Those who desire more knowledge, lift with more intensity, and eat with muscle in mind will always have a better body than those who don’t. Just because you don’t squat til you can’t walk doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do. And when they do, don’t fucking accuse them of taking shit. [/quote]
Honestly, some of this you all brought on yourselves (or at least the OP did) by making that the distinction with this thread. Bottom line, it shouldn’t even matter because most people won’t ever look like that whether they take anything or not.
That means the assumption that the bigger or better built you are the more you are on steroids is something that needs to die on this board to begin with…and that can’t happen if people are making “natural” a distinction from the start as if that means anyone else should be frowned upon.
This is a bodybuilding forum. No one really serious should give a shit. Only small undedicated people seem to care so much about who is possibly taking what all of the time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
It pisses me off when people who have less than desirable physiques accuse others of cheating because they can’t achieve the same results. People at my gym thought I was “taking something” because I have lots of energy and go non stop when I start lifting. I would drink my whey right before lifting and people would say stupid shit like “betcha like that”. Same fat ass heads straight to the smith machine and proceeds to do half reps on his incline press (without a proper dynamic warm up no less). Never saw his fat ass do a leg workout not even the leg press!
It’s very simple. Those who desire more knowledge, lift with more intensity, and eat with muscle in mind will always have a better body than those who don’t. Just because you don’t squat til you can’t walk doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do. And when they do, don’t fucking accuse them of taking shit. [/quote]
Honestly, some of this you all brought on yourselves (or at least the OP did) by making that the distinction with this thread. Bottom line, it shouldn’t even matter because most people won’t ever look like that whether they take anything or not.
That means the assumption that the bigger or better built you are the more you are on steroids is something that needs to die on this board to begin with…and that can’t happen if people are making “natural” a distinction from the start as if that means anyone else should be frowned upon.
This is a bodybuilding forum. No one really serious should give a shit. Only small undedicated people seem to care so much about who is possibly taking what all of the time.[/quote]
Awesome post .