Surprised this hasn’t come up yet - my brother told me this morning that James Toney after much negotian with Dana White is set to have a exhibition bout with the Predtor, Don Frye.
The choice of Don is interesting, apparently they were specifically looking for someone who would be happy to stand and bang with Toney, otherwise it would’ve been a very one sided match, given Toney’s lack of ground work experience.
I’m excited.
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.
My main concern is what Toney’s attire will be, I really hope he doesn’t wear spandex shorts for the fight.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
agreed…if He’s smart, he’ll take him down. but i think he’ll stand and try to box with him, and prolly lose. he’s not a bard MMA boxer, but he allows himself to eat waayyy too many shots to the melon
If don fry doesn’t take advantage of the fact that this is an MMA fight, in some way shape or form, he will fucking die. I love don fry, but that honkey is too old, and not good enough with his hands to fight a former professional boxer. It’s dumb. It’d be like dropping a mma fighter into a ring with a former Olympic wrestler and telling them they can only wrestle.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
People get ktfo all the time. This is hardly going to be life threatening.
Don Frye isn’t fighting James Toney, and even if he was it doesn’t sound like he would stand and trade.
Don Frye on James Toney:
“I tell you what: Anybody who fights an [expletive] like James Toney or Herschel Walker or Jose Canseco or any of them other [expletives] that come into our sport at their age should be required to take them down and break as many bones as possible on them and keep them crippled for six-to-eight weeks,” Frye recently told MMAjunkie.com Radio (Radio | MMA Junkie). “I’d break both their [expletive] arms so they’d have to hire somebody to wipe their ass for the next six-to-eight weeks. It should be a requirement.”
“That’s why nobody respects this sport, and it’s just a circus act right now,” Frye said. “They have these morons come in at the age they should be sitting in the retirement home, and they walk in and get a high-dollar fight.”
Don Frye has taken plenty of shots to the head particularily when he was fighting in Japan. He is likely getting to the point where the KO’s would start to affect his long term health. Frye did have decent hands for the era of MMA he was involved in but Toney would beat him badly. Look up his fight with Jerome Lebanner to see how he fares with a professional striker.
Jerome Lebanner would fuck James Toney’s world. Believe it or not there is a difference between mma boxing, and boxing obviously if Toney took time to learn to check kicks and defend in the clinch he would be very lethal but I doubt he would. I also don’t see Fry standing for long if they fight.
I agree Lebanner would ruin Toney in K-1 or MMA. Francois Botha tried the K-1 deal but couldn’t cut it. I think Toney would have the same problem. It would take way to long for him to learn the kicking game. With the exception of maybe Anderson Silva or Vitor Belfort there are not too many MMA strikers who could make a run in K-1 or boxing. Its simple a different sport.
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
People get ktfo all the time. This is hardly going to be life threatening.[/quote]
But how many of 'em got ktfo’d by a guy who’s used to doing it with 12+ oz gloves who’s now wearing 4oz gloves? I know Toney’s old but that dude hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
People get ktfo all the time. This is hardly going to be life threatening.[/quote]
But how many of 'em got ktfo’d by a guy who’s used to doing it with 12+ oz gloves who’s now wearing 4oz gloves? I know Toney’s old but that dude hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand.[/quote]
Actually on FSN they had a show comparing the punching power of various athletes. Using some hockey “enforcer,” Chris Byrd (a former HW boxing champ), and Rampage all hitting a punching bag with pressure and force sensors. The end result when factoring out the gloves was that the hockey player and Byrd both punched with significantly less force than Rampage (about 66% of Rampage’s total). So, I’d say people in MMA can understand power just fine.
[quote]SRT08 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
People get ktfo all the time. This is hardly going to be life threatening.[/quote]
But how many of 'em got ktfo’d by a guy who’s used to doing it with 12+ oz gloves who’s now wearing 4oz gloves? I know Toney’s old but that dude hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand.[/quote]
Actually on FSN they had a show comparing the punching power of various athletes. Using some hockey “enforcer,” Chris Byrd (a former HW boxing champ), and Rampage all hitting a punching bag with pressure and force sensors. The end result when factoring out the gloves was that the hockey player and Byrd both punched with significantly less force than Rampage (about 66% of Rampage’s total). So, I’d say people in MMA can understand power just fine.[/quote]
A study comparing three people doesn’t prove anything. All that study proves is that Rampage hits hard. It proves nothing about boxers, mma fighters or even hockey players in general. Especially since Chris Byrd can barely crack an egg.
[quote]SKman wrote:
[quote]SRT08 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
People get ktfo all the time. This is hardly going to be life threatening.[/quote]
But how many of 'em got ktfo’d by a guy who’s used to doing it with 12+ oz gloves who’s now wearing 4oz gloves? I know Toney’s old but that dude hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand.[/quote]
Actually on FSN they had a show comparing the punching power of various athletes. Using some hockey “enforcer,” Chris Byrd (a former HW boxing champ), and Rampage all hitting a punching bag with pressure and force sensors. The end result when factoring out the gloves was that the hockey player and Byrd both punched with significantly less force than Rampage (about 66% of Rampage’s total). So, I’d say people in MMA can understand power just fine.[/quote]
A study comparing three people doesn’t prove anything. All that study proves is that Rampage hits hard. It proves nothing about boxers, mma fighters or even hockey players in general. Especially since Chris Byrd can barely crack an egg.[/quote]
He could if he threw it on the ground.
[quote]SRT08 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I love Don Frye, but he wants nothing to do with James Toney. If they stand Frye might get decapitated. This doesn’t make sense and is potentially life altering. I’m being dead serious.[/quote]
People get ktfo all the time. This is hardly going to be life threatening.[/quote]
But how many of 'em got ktfo’d by a guy who’s used to doing it with 12+ oz gloves who’s now wearing 4oz gloves? I know Toney’s old but that dude hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand.[/quote]
Actually on FSN they had a show comparing the punching power of various athletes. Using some hockey “enforcer,” Chris Byrd (a former HW boxing champ), and Rampage all hitting a punching bag with pressure and force sensors. The end result when factoring out the gloves was that the hockey player and Byrd both punched with significantly less force than Rampage (about 66% of Rampage’s total). So, I’d say people in MMA can understand power just fine.[/quote]
That same program [different episode] claimed a female boxer hits as hard as a man and that one guy had over a 50" vertical. They also forgot to mention that the guy threw a stationary jab and the girl threw a hook and the guy jumping tucked his legs so he was more like 36" vert. That show is a fucking sham and has NO scientific relevance. I’d put money that old, fat, out of shape James Toney hits way harder than just about anyone in the heavier weight classes in mma.
That show is a joke but to say Toney "hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand is pushing it a little bit.
There are some heavy-handed strikers in MMA. Just look at the Manhoef vs. Lawlor fight, both of those guys have serious KO power. Are they as polished and technical with the hands as a guy like Toney (especially Toney is his prime)?. No. Can they slip and play defense like Toney? No. But in terms of pure power, they have big power in the hands. Look at a guy like Phil Nurse who is now training many MMA guys. He has crazy punching power.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
That show is a joke but to say Toney "hits hard on a level NO ONE in MMA can understand is pushing it a little bit.
There are some heavy-handed strikers in MMA. Just look at the Manhoef vs. Lawlor fight, both of those guys have serious KO power. Are they as polished and technical with the hands as a guy like Toney (especially Toney is his prime)?. No. Can they slip and play defense like Toney? No. But in terms of pure power, they have big power in the hands. Look at a guy like Phil Nurse who is now training many MMA guys. He has crazy punching power.[/quote]
Agreed, there are plenty of good punchers in MMA. Also, while Toney is a pretty good puncher, he is not a great puncher for a heavyweight. Toney in his prime was a 160-168 lbs middle/supermiddleweight. Toney is a heavyweight because he can’t stay away from the buffet line and because he thinks there is more money and easy pickings in the heavyweight division. Not to mention, he has tested positive for steroids in the past, I think it was after he beat John Ruiz, but I could be wrong.
I’m saying that all the time but hardly anyone here will listen.
I’m saying that all the time but hardly anyone here will listen.
-S.
I saw this thread and said no way this is the boxer James Toney vs the mma fighter Don Frye.
Ill give this to James Toney first round knockout.
Also I’m not quite sure how you would compare an mma fighter’s punching power to a boxer, but ill say James Toney sure can place a knockout punch 100x better than any top mma fighters.
Toney has tested positive for steroids twice, in 2005 and 2007.