[quote]RippedRooster wrote:
Where you at now Diluted? still 185? its time for me to eat properly again and get the last 8kg on!!
bulk started at 185lb now at 205lb ending at 220lb ! lets do it!![/quote]
Dude the bets still on hey 
Tokyopop is doing good hey! Lol dieting hard…
But ja dude im getting hopefully this week the premium membership from virgin so I can maybe one or twice a week or something come train with you or something. Make sure your weight isnt exaggerated 
haha!
hahaha yeah brother lets do it!!! we can smash constantia nad mont soon then! but he has changed his goal half way through… that means for it to be = gain and loss i need 2 pick up 2kg…
ur gonna hit 100kg. period. dont give yourself excuses son!
and so is HE!
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Someone who’s “ecto” and starts off at a really lean 150 is going to be much better off than someone else who is also a skinny 150, but kind of “skinny-fat” (i.e. maybe 17% body fat or so)[/quote]
Totally agree with that.
[quote]desolator wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Someone who’s “ecto” and starts off at a really lean 150 is going to be much better off than someone else who is also a skinny 150, but kind of “skinny-fat” (i.e. maybe 17% body fat or so)[/quote]
Totally agree with that.[/quote]
You shouldn’t. Where you start off does not dictate how your body responds to training.
Look this is real life, and I am living it. I was 63 kg SKINNY FAT. At roughly 1.67 m with NO muscle at all you could imagine how I looked. Hell, my bodyfat should have been like 18% and upwards. Sure, since the first 6 months or so, I had newbie gains (lose fat gain muscle and all that), but after that point, progression was just normal. So that means I ended up with 16-17%. If I wanted to gain muscle at a fast rate, I had no choice but to gain some bodyfat too.
That’s a whole different animal than an ectomorph who starts at at 12% bf. I am not disagreeing with you saying "Where you start off does not dictate how your body responds to training. ". But, when you put your organism into certain states, it takes time to make it adjust into something new. I am training for 2 years now and luckily, things are going better.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]desolator wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Someone who’s “ecto” and starts off at a really lean 150 is going to be much better off than someone else who is also a skinny 150, but kind of “skinny-fat” (i.e. maybe 17% body fat or so)[/quote]
Totally agree with that.[/quote]
You shouldn’t. Where you start off does not dictate how your body responds to training.[/quote]
x2. I think you should tone down the posting all together Desolator because most of your posts consists of some stupid ass statements. No one can predict the progress of others and Im willing to bet gold to shit that genetics isn’t the main reason why people are not seeing progress. Weight progression in the gym and outside of it being the main culprits. You should spend less time posting and more time undoing your horrible genetics in the weight room. Regardless of genetics you will look much different if all your lifts progress by a hundred pounds. Seems to me that worrying about that will do much more for your body composition than posting illogical statements predicting the progress of others based on how they look now.
I doubt you or anyone else would of predicted the skinny kid on the right with twigs for legs would of became the Tom Platz.
[quote]forevernade wrote:
Good Heavens![/quote]
LOL!
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
I doubt you or anyone else would of predicted the skinny kid on the right with twigs for legs would of became the Tom Platz.
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I didn’t say that. Didn’t you have learning comprehension in your school? What are you, like 12 years old?
[quote]desolator wrote:
Look this is real life, and I am living it. I was 63 kg SKINNY FAT. At roughly 1.67 m with NO muscle at all you could imagine how I looked. Hell, my bodyfat should have been like 18% and upwards. Sure, since the first 6 months or so, I had newbie gains (lose fat gain muscle and all that), but after that point, progression was just normal. So that means I ended up with 16-17%. If I wanted to gain muscle at a fast rate, I had no choice but to gain some bodyfat too.
That’s a whole different animal than an ectomorph who starts at at 12% bf. I am not disagreeing with you saying "Where you start off does not dictate how your body responds to training. ". But, when you put your organism into certain states, it takes time to make it adjust into something new. I am training for 2 years now and luckily, things are going better.[/quote]
Then the question arises… what did your meal plan and training look like and what do you do currently with your food intake and training?
[quote]desolator wrote:
Look this is real life, and I am living it. I was 63 kg SKINNY FAT. At roughly 1.67 m with NO muscle at all you could imagine how I looked. Hell, my bodyfat should have been like 18% and upwards. Sure, since the first 6 months or so, I had newbie gains (lose fat gain muscle and all that), but after that point, progression was just normal. So that means I ended up with 16-17%. If I wanted to gain muscle at a fast rate, I had no choice but to gain some bodyfat too.
That’s a whole different animal than an ectomorph who starts at at 12% bf. I am not disagreeing with you saying "Where you start off does not dictate how your body responds to training. ". But, when you put your organism into certain states, it takes time to make it adjust into something new. I am training for 2 years now and luckily, things are going better.[/quote]
Good Lord. Quit with these fucking classifications. I swear, unless most of you have at least a BS degree in biology, you need to stop pretending you have a clue.
According to what you just wrote, I was an ECTOMORPH at 150lbs and 11% body fat tested by calipers at Bally’s. Do I LOOK like an ectomorph right now?
How is that possible if how you start dictates some permanent state of being?
Your FOOD intake and your TRAINING have a hell of a lot more to do with what results you see than some predetermined static physical state that some of you think you are locked into.
That whole FFB bullshit falls into the same category.
Most kids are fat today because they don’t do shit but play video games and fuck around on the internet all night long as opposed to playing outside for hours until it got dark like people who grew up in the 70-80’s and earlier. It is NOT because they have Fat Genes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]desolator wrote:
Look this is real life, and I am living it. I was 63 kg SKINNY FAT. At roughly 1.67 m with NO muscle at all you could imagine how I looked. Hell, my bodyfat should have been like 18% and upwards. Sure, since the first 6 months or so, I had newbie gains (lose fat gain muscle and all that), but after that point, progression was just normal. So that means I ended up with 16-17%. If I wanted to gain muscle at a fast rate, I had no choice but to gain some bodyfat too.
That’s a whole different animal than an ectomorph who starts at at 12% bf. I am not disagreeing with you saying "Where you start off does not dictate how your body responds to training. ". But, when you put your organism into certain states, it takes time to make it adjust into something new. I am training for 2 years now and luckily, things are going better.[/quote]
Good Lord. Quit with these fucking classifications. I swear, unless most of you have at least a BS degree in biology, you need to stop pretending you have a clue.
According to what you just wrote, I was an ECTOMORPH at 150lbs and 11% body fat tested by calipers at Bally’s. Do I LOOK like an ectomorph right now?
How is that possible if how you start dictates some permanent state of being?
Your FOOD intake and your TRAINING have a hell of a lot more to do with what results you see than some predetermined static physical state that some of you think you are locked into.
That whole FFB bullshit falls into the same category.
Most kids are fat today because they don’t do shit but play video games and fuck around on the internet all night long as opposed to playing outside for hours until it got dark like people who grew up in the 70-80’s and earlier. It is NOT because they have Fat Genes.[/quote]
You would be surprized at how many kids at my college dont know how to ride a bike, swim, or think playing some ball is “ghetto”.
Your not skinny fat. You just undereat junk foods and dont leave your fucking house. End of story. Unless you truly have a diagnosable medical issue most of your body comp issues can be solved through diet and heavy weight training.
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
Then the question arises… what did your meal plan and training look like and what do you do currently with your food intake and training?
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Look. I never classified people into “hardgainers”, “easygainers” etc. I did not ever complained about my status right now. I eat bb’ing style, slight calorific surplus, no proccessed foods and high protein and getting stronger on the compounds. The only thing that I said agreeing with Pumped, was that skinnyfat is the worst starting point. Yes starting point, not that you cannot reach certain goals from there. We have said it before, genetics is the response to training and nutrition, not the state from someone begins.
178 lbs as of yesterday’s weigh-in. I’m looking for a modest goal. 190lbs to start. I’ll assess and then take it from there. I think 12 lbs is a good first-time bulk goal and something that is definitely attainable. I don’t want to set the bar so high that I never see said weight.
[quote]swoop wrote:
178 lbs as of yesterday’s weigh-in. I’m looking for a modest goal. 190lbs to start. I’ll assess and then take it from there. I think 12 lbs is a good first-time bulk goal and something that is definitely attainable. I don’t want to set the bar so high that I never see said weight.[/quote]
Serious? 12lbs is nothing. Those that ‘slowly’ gain never make it big. Wanna be average… take it slow. 12lbs is someone eating to many carbs and taking some creatine. Think 20lbs at least. If ur coming off a diet or just eating clean, 12lbs wont get u far. I say set the bar high, so u push yourself, but not so far that u scare yourself.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
[quote]swoop wrote:
178 lbs as of yesterday’s weigh-in. I’m looking for a modest goal. 190lbs to start. I’ll assess and then take it from there. I think 12 lbs is a good first-time bulk goal and something that is definitely attainable. I don’t want to set the bar so high that I never see said weight.[/quote]
Serious? 12lbs is nothing. Those that ‘slowly’ gain never make it big. Wanna be average… take it slow. 12lbs is someone eating to many carbs and taking some creatine. Think 20lbs at least. If ur coming off a diet or just eating clean, 12lbs wont get u far. I say set the bar high, so u push yourself, but not so far that u scare yourself. [/quote]
I didn’t say I’d stop at 190. But considering i’ve never made it past low 180’s, I think it’d be nice to see 190 on the scale. Like I said, it’s just the first step. I’m sure i’d push for 200 once I see that 190 staring me in the face.
Bulking goal = a soft 250lbs (long term lean 230lbs)
I’m no longer worrying about my abs as much as before since I have cut plenty times and it’s no biggie…plus, more muscle = faster fat loss
Will be keeping up with cardio while gaining this time though; made the mistake of using “bulking” as an excuse to be lazy with cardio and much fatter than I needed to be.
Also, won’t be impatient with the poundage gains each month this time - will let strength be my guide (strength progression slows to a halt = eat more), not just the scales. As an example, some weeks I have gained 2lbs, and others nothing…it’s a case of giving a calorie intake chance to work instead of straight away boosting them because you had one ‘bad week’.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
[quote]swoop wrote:
178 lbs as of yesterday’s weigh-in. I’m looking for a modest goal. 190lbs to start. I’ll assess and then take it from there. I think 12 lbs is a good first-time bulk goal and something that is definitely attainable. I don’t want to set the bar so high that I never see said weight.[/quote]
Serious? 12lbs is nothing. Those that ‘slowly’ gain never make it big. Wanna be average… take it slow. 12lbs is someone eating to many carbs and taking some creatine. Think 20lbs at least. If ur coming off a diet or just eating clean, 12lbs wont get u far. I say set the bar high, so u push yourself, but not so far that u scare yourself. [/quote]
12lb could be in 6 weeks for all anyone knows. He could have a goal of 50lb but smaller goals of 12-13lb as he goes along. I had a goal to bench 225 before I hit 315. Even when I benched 220 my goal was still 225, so only a 5lb increase. Once I hit that it was 315, etc…
[quote]Pumped340 wrote:
Another guy, a junior here, also black, is very lean and jacked, told me his bench last year was only 285 or so. Some of the other guys on the football team I’m sure are stronger, but there’s not too many that are working with more than 315.
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So I’m at this event yesterday and find out from his friend that apparently this guy is only like 185lb, just shows what being being really lean does for a physique at a given weight, considering he blows most guys here out of the water who claim 220+ at 12-15%. Not that you shouldn’t accept fat gain, I’m just saying I was really surprised by this guys weight.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Gaining weight with little strength? Eat more protein unless you’re already at 1.8-2g/lb… Check routine… etc).
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Intrigued by this… C_C, care to elaborate? Or anybody else that knows something about this? I’ve been consistently gaining weight but my strength numbers have definitely stalled.
I’m 5’9-5’10 and around 218 lbs. on an empty stomach in the morning. My diet is roughly 4200 cals - 140g Fat, 390g Carbs, 325g Protein (about 1.5g/lb bodyweight).