To be fair, this guy did look pretty weak - he had to get some guy to help him get the 200lb dumbells into position. What a loser!
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
ninearms wrote:
So, I’m watching this “Unbelievable” DVD about some guy called Ronald Kohlman or something, and this joker changes exercises about 6 times in the same session. Unbelievable.
Your thoughts, Type2B? Is this guy ever going to amount to anything?
No. “Flat sets” are generally more superior for strength development. Supersets are a fucking joke.
I don’t think he got it…[/quote]
AHAHHAAHAHHAHA. Freakin gold…
[quote]Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety :)[/quote]
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety 
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.[/quote]
Skipping ME is just wrong. Heck, people don’t even need DE! Is just a bonus of westside, not a necessity.
Would you please describe me some stuff about your training… Perhaps PM me?
[quote]forevernade wrote:
VikingsAD28 wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
ninearms wrote:
So, I’m watching this “Unbelievable” DVD about some guy called Ronald Kohlman or something, and this joker changes exercises about 6 times in the same session. Unbelievable.
Your thoughts, Type2B? Is this guy ever going to amount to anything?
No. “Flat sets” are generally more superior for strength development. Supersets are a fucking joke.
I don’t think he got it…
AHAHHAAHAHHAHA. Freakin gold…
[/quote]
I had a feeling he’d say something stupid. Some people just don’t get it…
[quote]jimzs70 wrote:
OP might be a beginning lifter, but sure is an advanced troll.[/quote]
World class.
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.[/quote]
yeah but do you do max singles at or above 90% 3-4 times a week? or is it waved?
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.
Skipping ME is just wrong. Heck, people don’t even need DE! Is just a bonus of westside, not a necessity.
Would you please describe me some stuff about your training… Perhaps PM me?[/quote]
no some people dont “need” DE but it is part of the strenght equation max strenght+speed=power thats the way i look at it anyways.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.
Skipping ME is just wrong. Heck, people don’t even need DE! Is just a bonus of westside, not a necessity.
Would you please describe me some stuff about your training… Perhaps PM me?
no some people dont “need” DE but it is part of the strenght equation max strenght+speed=power thats the way i look at it anyways.[/quote]
The very main reason why Simmons advocated DE is because he wants himself, and his lifters to be fast when lifting heavy weights. I don’t think he’d recommend someone who is trying to jump higher to keep doing DE. He’d make him do something like… jumps…
It doesn’t really matter if you’re fast or slow, when it comes to powerlifting, all it really matters is your limit strength. Speed-strength will make a small difference. Building your max strength is the best thing you can ever do to improve in powerlifting. Anyone who doesn’t agree can KISS MY ASS!
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Kerley wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.
Skipping ME is just wrong. Heck, people don’t even need DE! Is just a bonus of westside, not a necessity.
Would you please describe me some stuff about your training… Perhaps PM me?
no some people dont “need” DE but it is part of the strenght equation max strenght+speed=power thats the way i look at it anyways.
The very main reason why Simmons advocated DE is because he wants himself, and his lifters to be fast when lifting heavy weights. I don’t think he’d recommend someone who is trying to jump higher to keep doing DE. He’d make him do something like… jumps…
It doesn’t really matter if you’re fast or slow, when it comes to powerlifting, all it really matters is your limit strength. Speed-strength will make a small difference. Building your max strength is the best thing you can ever do to improve in powerlifting. Anyone who doesn’t agree can KISS MY ASS![/quote]
First, of course building your max strength is good for powerlifting BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT POWERLIFTING IS. Second, dude, you don’t even powerlift, please just shut up.
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Supersets are a fucking joke.[/quote]
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So apparently the concept of loading a muscle group and subsequent neuro pathways that are associated with them is completely lost on you ?
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If you took out half the bullshit words and needless comparisons I’d actually find this thread funny right now instead of feeling as someone should pitch a dumbbell at your head the next time you lift just to put you in a coma to shut you up, and again let me reiterate if you could provide a point or a argument without writing a novel thoughts of violence would no doubt stay out of my and many other peoples heads.
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And last while I normally don’t like to beat a deadhorse after so many people have already stamped “schooled” on your forehead I would like to say that until now you were just some kid that just said stupid stuff, not some kid who took a topic that could be generally insightful and informative and managed to fill it with so much junk that its turning out more like a joke than anything slightly educational.
So please, drop the wieght on your neck next time you bench and save the masses braincells and the subsequent 4 acetaminophen containing drugs we’ve all taken to try to make your nonsense induced headache to go away.
When I first hit a 315 squat, I thought I knew everything and was at least “intermediate.” By the time I hit 405, I realized I didn’t know shit and was still very much a beginner.
why isn’t this person banned? I’ve seen people being banned for less…
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Kerley wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
Kerley wrote:
they rotate the lifts in WSB to limit accommodation and so they dont fry they’re CNS.
i rotate every week because i like variety
No we don’t. I come from europe, and i squat like 3-4 times a week. It works just great.
I think, that this is a really important question.
Sheiko has helped me alot on the strength, and I think it’s something all lifters should do now and then. The WSB guys have also partly gone away from their typical DE training, and often skip ME.
Skipping ME is just wrong. Heck, people don’t even need DE! Is just a bonus of westside, not a necessity.
Would you please describe me some stuff about your training… Perhaps PM me?
no some people dont “need” DE but it is part of the strenght equation max strenght+speed=power thats the way i look at it anyways.
The very main reason why Simmons advocated DE is because he wants himself, and his lifters to be fast when lifting heavy weights. I don’t think he’d recommend someone who is trying to jump higher to keep doing DE. He’d make him do something like… jumps…
It doesn’t really matter if you’re fast or slow, when it comes to powerlifting, all it really matters is your limit strength. Speed-strength will make a small difference. Building your max strength is the best thing you can ever do to improve in powerlifting. Anyone who doesn’t agree can KISS MY ASS![/quote]
jumping is DE.
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Please don’t mind if I make a few corrections… Louie Simmons does not think that the Bulgarian training system is that superior to what he is using. And of course, since he doesn’t believe in it, he doesn’t use it! And one more thing, these russians actually had up to 20+ variations of the olympic lifts… I have no clue how many they used as a max effort movement.
Aside from that, bravo.
You are so far off that its not even funny. Of course, if you think that Louie doesn’t draw any ideas from the Bulgarians, I’ll be sure to ask him about that next time I’m up north.
Where do you think the max effort method came from? That certainly can’t be Bulgarian can it? Of course not, because Louie believes in lots of exercises and the Bulgarians don’t, so they obviously can’t share any other commonalities…
“We train a lot like the Bulgarians…”-Louie Simmons, Westside Squat DVD 2004 (Revised)
The Russians didn’t use a maximal effort method, but rather heavy, repeated efforts and volume progressions to build work capacity. What does that sound like to you?
Not to mention that the addition of large amounts of band tension has led to dynamic squat day at WSB actually be performed at much higher %'s (when band tension is included) than the original 50-60% that Simmons wrote about. Working around or well above 90% during every training session…who does that sound like?
There have been some interesting discussions of this on this board in the past year, but I’m not going to link you because you already have more information than you can intelligently process at this point.
I guarantee you that if you keep worrying about all of this shit, in a years time, you will be no stronger. This all applies to ELITE athletes.
You don’t need concurrent or conjugate periodization yet, simple progressive overload will be more than adequate for you. I recommend buying something basic like Starting Strength as an ebook and disconnecting your internet. Then, the next time you feel like clusterfucking on your computer, you can stare at that until you remember that NONE of this fancy shit applies to a kid who can’t squat 1.5x his bodyweight yet.
…Another thing to keep in mind… A novice trainee can gain strength from almost anything. I personally know a 130 pound dude, who raised is bench press from 135 to 185 by maxing out 3 days a week, with tons of drop sets…
An intermediate trainee is more accurately defined as someone who makes PRs either every week, or ALMOST every week… I’m currently there… I did a westside program a few months back, and I raised my zercher good morning from 185 to 225+ pounds in 3 weeks… Unfortulately, it had almost zero carryover with my deadlift…
I make tons of PRs every week… The fact that they don’t have any carryover to anything just bugs me to death… THAT IS WHY I WILL NOW USE A DIFFERENT TRAINING METHODOLOGY. IT’S CALLED TYING MYSELF UP IN THE SQUAT RACK FOR YEARS, AND THEN COMING BACK TO T-Nation AND BRAG ABOUT MY 1500 POUND SQUAT.
In all seriousness, I will actually do “greasing the groove.” Max weights 5 days a week and we’ll see what happens. Westside failed me. Hopefully, this thing doesn’t. Please wish me luck…
Thank you.[/quote]
You say you’re going to do max weights 5 days a week. This is a serious mistake. Maybe you should learn from the interview with Taranenko you posted: “I used to train only four times per week as a 110 kg lifter”, i.e even as en elite 110kg lifter he still wasn’t ready for training 6 days a week. It takes at least 6-7 years of incremental training to tolerate and benefit from such work, not to mention the steroids.
Even the bulgarians take several years to build up to their imense loads, which is illustrated in “a system of multiyear training in weightlifting”.
You can make huge progress as a beginner-intermediate by maxing out in the snatch and clean and jerk once a week along with training them at about 80-90% on the other 2-3 days
This is the first thread I’ve read here at T-Nation. And I can’t contain my laughter.
Why you guys are trying to reason with the troll? You know… you will never be able to make the troll think differently.
Ok i don’t give a fuck of this guy making troll threads in the strength forum, but i think you should stop posting in the Beginner’s forum, you will only make some random guy get injuried because of your shitty brain…
And stop masturbating when reading the other users posts…
Have a nice day, Fck Yu ;D
PD: and fuck your shitty ASS TO GRASS SQUAT WITH A 1.679435347453653 sec. PAUSE!!! omfg wtf lol!!!1oneone…
Just makin’ me vomit…
[quote]goochadamg wrote:
Wow, holy fucking shit. How can you expect to be taken seriously, when you can’t even formulate a comprehensible paragraph? Your inability to properly articulate your thoughts is a pretty sure sign that you do not understand what you’re talking about or what you read.
In short, boobs![/quote]
Thank you, this thread wasn’t a total waste.
To the OP, they both obviously can work, so just pick one and run it.
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
You know…you seem to have the impression that the average WSB trainee is some sort of bumbling idiot, when in fact, you will rarely find someone succeeding with that training style that is neither very smart about what they are doing or coached by someone who is.
Speaking of the Bulgarians…if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would realize that a large part of what they are doing at WSB is influenced by the Bulgarians.
Shieko, etc. use a high volume of the competition lifts to raise SPP. WSB uses a variety of exercises to raise GPP…the thing is…even WS uses a higher volume of competition lifts as competition draws nearer, as this is necessary in order to facilitate proper motor learning. They also perform the competition lifts weekly on DE day, when form is emphasized very highly and the advent of heavy band tension has led to dynamic squat day moving closer to the realm of the 80-90% range in various states of gear year round. Some people are calling this the “SE” method and it somewhat resembles what used to be the circa-max phase (which itself has changed since Louie first wrote about it).
By in large, powerlifting is less dependent on SPP than weightlifting due to the lesser technical demand of the lifts. Lifters spend years learning and practicing their snatch, but once someone can squat, they should have very little trouble “remembering” how to do it correctly.
I don’t know where you got the notion that the Russians or ANYONE in weightlifting was using accommodating resistance in any large amount since bands and chains were added by Louie long after he had adapted the conjugated system used by the Dynamo Barbell Club in Russia to powerlifting.
If I remember correctly, in the conjugate model used by the DBB in Russia, there were only 6 max effort movement rotated through, all of which had a high degree of specificity to the lifts themselves (hang and power variants).
None of this really matters for you though, since you barely squat your bodyweight.
As for your question, you need to first stop drinking everyone’s kool aid and work on understand the basic how and why’s behind each of these different systems (which, coincidentally, ALL work very well). Max effort exercises are rotated on a regular basis in the WSB system because it is unlikely that anyone beyond a beginning trainee will continue to make strength gains after 1-3 weeks of working above 90% of a true 1RM on a lift. Since WSB performs a relatively low volume of the actual competition lifts outside of meet prep, this regular switching allows for an almost unlimited supply of methods by which to build general strength. Since you aren’t maxing out every week with the program you mentioned, you don’t need to rotate. Hell, you’re green enough that you could probably get away with maxing weekly for 5-8 weeks and still get stronger.
Now, stop posting.
Please don’t mind if I make a few corrections… Louie Simmons does not think that the Bulgarian training system is that superior to what he is using. And of course, since he doesn’t believe in it, he doesn’t use it! And one more thing, these russians actually had up to 20+ variations of the olympic lifts… I have no clue how many they used as a max effort movement.
Aside from that, bravo.[/quote]
I think you need a girlfreind.
Lol I dont know why I am asking this, but how do I unblock someone so I can look at their RIDICUlOUS posts, because it is almost comical to listen to this green horn talk. Now I myself am not advanced lifter, ask most people on here, I have said dumb stuff, but I think I know alot more than this kid. WOW TYPE2B, you gotta be the dumbest poster here, and thats such a fact!