seriously man. Howabout you go grab your self some common sense at Wal-Mart and just quit posting.
Certainly, doing the same exercises repetitively has effects with regard to cumulative trauma. However, the most specific way to squat is to squat. From an injury prevention perspective, changing/rotating exercises is excellent in the off season. Consistent with the sheiko method, I think the majority of contest prep should be performing the competition exercises, or variations.
To answer your question, >12-16 weeks out from contest, exercise substitutions, including GPP work is a great idea to prevent injury, increase exercise volume tolerance, and improve conditioning. Within the 12 to 16 week pre contest phase, put the Sheiko routine to good use.
YU
[quote]jimzs70 wrote:
OP might be a beginning lifter, but sure is an advanced troll.[/quote]
I would put him at near elite level:-) Im sure that he’s just winding people up and your all falling for it
I have trained and competed with some of the strongest powerlifters and strongmen in the world and we never seem to have conversations like this. The things we have in common is that we push ourselves to extraordinary limits and are very consistent in the things we do to get better. Lift weights not books. I think Wendler said it best “Supertraining makes a good one board.”
[quote]vdizenzo wrote:
I have trained and competed with some of the strongest powerlifters and strongmen in the world and we never seem to have conversations like this. The things we have in common is that we push ourselves to extraordinary limits and are very consistent in the things we do to get better. Lift weights not books. I think Wendler said it best “Supertraining makes a good one board.”[/quote]
Go ahead and push yourself, but it doesn’t mean shit without planning.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
When I first hit a 315 squat, I thought I knew everything and was at least “intermediate.” By the time I hit 405, I realized I didn’t know shit and was still very much a beginner.[/quote]
I sure do know what you’re thinking.
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
Go ahead and push yourself, but it doesn’t mean shit without planning.[/quote]
How much planning do you need? It seems like a lot of people spend time constantly looking for the best routine instead of just lifting and getting strong. Any plan with a little science is going to provide great results if the person pours their blood, sweat, and tears into doing everything it takes including nutrition and recuperation.
I get a laugh at the whole planning thing when I think about the time I spent training with Glen Chabot. The guy only benched about once a month. I watched him do cable crossovers and hammer chest presses for one workout. The guy benched 665 raw. I guarantee he could not have told you who Siff or Sheiko were. It’s a wonder he was able to lift as much as he did without them.
[quote]vdizenzo wrote:
I have trained and competed with some of the strongest powerlifters and strongmen in the world and we never seem to have conversations like this. The things we have in common is that we push ourselves to extraordinary limits and are very consistent in the things we do to get better. Lift weights not books. I think Wendler said it best “Supertraining makes a good one board.”[/quote]
That’s because the dampening effect of the text absorbs the energy from the bar, breaking the stretch-reflex reaction and - aw, fuck, can’t I just use a stack of Cabela’s catalogs and back issues of Black Tail?
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
vdizenzo wrote:
I have trained and competed with some of the strongest powerlifters and strongmen in the world and we never seem to have conversations like this. The things we have in common is that we push ourselves to extraordinary limits and are very consistent in the things we do to get better. Lift weights not books. I think Wendler said it best “Supertraining makes a good one board.”
Go ahead and push yourself, but it doesn’t mean shit without planning.[/quote]
your lack of “planning” has given you a 600lb plus bench. sounds like a pretty good outlook on training to me.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
vdizenzo wrote:
I have trained and competed with some of the strongest powerlifters and strongmen in the world and we never seem to have conversations like this. The things we have in common is that we push ourselves to extraordinary limits and are very consistent in the things we do to get better. Lift weights not books. I think Wendler said it best “Supertraining makes a good one board.”
Go ahead and push yourself, but it doesn’t mean shit without planning.
your lack of “planning” has given you a 600lb plus bench. sounds like a pretty good outlook on training to me.
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Just think what he could have benched if he planned better! 
[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
vdizenzo wrote:
I have trained and competed with some of the strongest powerlifters and strongmen in the world and we never seem to have conversations like this. The things we have in common is that we push ourselves to extraordinary limits and are very consistent in the things we do to get better. Lift weights not books. I think Wendler said it best “Supertraining makes a good one board.”
Go ahead and push yourself, but it doesn’t mean shit without planning.
your lack of “planning” has given you a 600lb plus bench. sounds like a pretty good outlook on training to me.
Just think what he could have benched if he planned better! :)[/quote]
He probably would have lifted much less because he would have ended up being a weak fucking dweeb trying to figure out the best program instead of just pushing himself as hard as he could.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
your lack of “planning” has given you a 600lb plus bench. sounds like a pretty good outlook on training to me.
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Thanks. I plan on upping that number using the silly little Westside Program. I got it from a couple of articles. I did not even have to buy a book or confer with the internet forums. Little planning, lots of lifting. SFW!
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Westside failed me.
Your arrogance is astounding. It seems that it is only matched by your ignorance.
Nothing failed you except for yourself. It is obvious that you lack the mental capacity to train yourself. You are what we call a clusterfucker. You haven’t been lifting long enough to even understand what these experts and gurus are talking about, let alone determine what works and what doesn’t work.
You are not an expert. You aren’t even an intermediate. You’re a dumb fucking kid who spends too much time on the internet and not enough time under the bar. You really want to learn something? Get a coach and you will learn that you don’t know half as much as you think you do and that your form fucking blows.[/quote]
umm i weigh 154 and can front sqaut 335 to the floor. is that good?
[quote]vdizenzo wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
your lack of “planning” has given you a 600lb plus bench. sounds like a pretty good outlook on training to me.
Thanks. I plan on upping that number using the silly little Westside Program. I got it from a couple of articles. I did not even have to buy a book or confer with the internet forums. Little planning, lots of lifting. SFW!
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i have the same plan. i’m not smart enough to plan too much but i sure can lift a lot.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
vdizenzo wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
your lack of “planning” has given you a 600lb plus bench. sounds like a pretty good outlook on training to me.
Thanks. I plan on upping that number using the silly little Westside Program. I got it from a couple of articles. I did not even have to buy a book or confer with the internet forums. Little planning, lots of lifting. SFW!
i have the same plan. i’m not smart enough to plan too much but i sure can lift a lot.
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You dummies are only strong because you guys have such small brains, so all the blood can go to your muscles to facilitate recovery!
Just kidding of course… meat I have learned a lot from reading your logs and I learned a lot from Vinny at the Boston seminar a couple years ago.
Somewhat amusing and related to this topic: I train a bunch of groups of kids and one of them is a group of girls about 14 and 15 years old. After a few training sessions, one of the girls goes, “So basically we take a weight and we try to do one more rep each workout. And then when we get to like, 10, we move up the weight and then we try to get back to doing like 10 with that. And we keep doing that 'til we get really strong, right?”
I think that 14-year old girl has a better grasp of sports science then some posters on this board!
I agree that, in the end, you don’t get strong by knowing more. You get strong by working. But… also knowing something can make you better. You cant lift all the time (even though I certainly wish I could), and if you have the spare time and lack a coach, why not look in to effective programs that have worked for others? I mean, TypeIIB has missed the point so wildly, its not even funny, but I still think that sitting down and planning out cycles is not being a ‘dweeb.’
Planning is actually a necessity in Olympic lifting, though I can’t speak for powerlifting. Usually you work with your coach (if you have one) as to what your cycles will look like though.