[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It’s a tough call, because the law does not treat men and women equally in this regard.
Trust and believe, that if a woman is hitting and punching on you and you just stand there, the moment you push her to get her off you (not hit her, but just shove her away from you), you are going to jail for battery. You can explain your case to the cops, but you will do so while being cuffed.
I had an ex punch me, taunting me that if I hit her back, my prior felony record would have me back in the clink for a good while. I was in a pretty fucked situation, so as I stood there getting punched, I had to think quickly. I realized I could pull a football swim move and head out the door.
There should be some legal footing for men to at least be able to defend themselves, maybe not unload on her like Clubber Lang, but do something. [/quote]
Unfortunately it’s not going to happen legally. As long as women’s votes can be bought men and male children will be treated like disposable punching bags/workhorses to their mothers and wives.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It’s a tough call, because the law does not treat men and women equally in this regard.
Trust and believe, that if a woman is hitting and punching on you and you just stand there, the moment you push her to get her off you (not hit her, but just shove her away from you), you are going to jail for battery. You can explain your case to the cops, but you will do so while being cuffed.
I had an ex punch me, taunting me that if I hit her back, my prior felony record would have me back in the clink for a good while. I was in a pretty fucked situation, so as I stood there getting punched, I had to think quickly. I realized I could pull a football swim move and head out the door.
There should be some legal footing for men to at least be able to defend themselves, maybe not unload on her like Clubber Lang, but do something. [/quote]
Kids have it figured out. If someone hits you, you have the right to hit them back. Simple.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It’s a tough call, because the law does not treat men and women equally in this regard.
Trust and believe, that if a woman is hitting and punching on you and you just stand there, the moment you push her to get her off you (not hit her, but just shove her away from you), you are going to jail for battery. You can explain your case to the cops, but you will do so while being cuffed.
I had an ex punch me, taunting me that if I hit her back, my prior felony record would have me back in the clink for a good while. I was in a pretty fucked situation, so as I stood there getting punched, I had to think quickly. I realized I could pull a football swim move and head out the door.
There should be some legal footing for men to at least be able to defend themselves, maybe not unload on her like Clubber Lang, but do something. [/quote]
It’s definitely going to be tricky, with the whole “legal footing” thing. I’d like it to happen, and it should happen, but my fear is that the assholes amongst us are going to take that as license to just start mauling chicks, which already happens without the law behind them. It’s going to be very murky finding a compromise on that because a battered woman is going to elicit sympathy from everyone REGARDLESS of whether or not she actually provoked the situation or the man was simply defending himself the best way he knew how and it’s not going to take much (especially from an fairly in-shape man) to inflict damage on a woman.
Just hope I never have to deal with any thing like that in the future.
[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
What happened after you pushed her face into the window? Did she calm down from that point on or did she just started escalating things even further?
And that sounds awful, and I’m sorry you had to put up with that. What was the eventual tipping point that made you break up with her?
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She got quiet. The next day she told me that she was going to move out and live with her mom, that she didn’t feel safe with me any longer, that I was a monster, what kind of man would hit a woman, etc. She never did, but the bloom was off the rose of our relationship. Both of us checked out a bit after that.
It was a tipping point for sure. I think part of her realized that I couldn’t be counted on to side idly by when she was verbally abusive any more. Her behavior became more passive-aggressive and she laid off the physical stuff for a long time. Years later, she got stopped by TSA after an officer saw her slap me in the Maui airport. We were divorced within the year.
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Mate you did well she needs to learn her place.[/quote]
Yeah the man knows how to get his pasta.
[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
What happened after you pushed her face into the window? Did she calm down from that point on or did she just started escalating things even further?
And that sounds awful, and I’m sorry you had to put up with that. What was the eventual tipping point that made you break up with her?
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She got quiet. The next day she told me that she was going to move out and live with her mom, that she didn’t feel safe with me any longer, that I was a monster, what kind of man would hit a woman, etc. She never did, but the bloom was off the rose of our relationship. Both of us checked out a bit after that.
It was a tipping point for sure. I think part of her realized that I couldn’t be counted on to side idly by when she was verbally abusive any more. Her behavior became more passive-aggressive and she laid off the physical stuff for a long time. Years later, she got stopped by TSA after an officer saw her slap me in the Maui airport. We were divorced within the year.
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Just like any common schoolyard bully, you stand up to them and take away their ability to intimidate you into doing what they want and they run away like a little bitch crying for their mama saying you hurt their feelings.
Women are just fucking weird, a girl I was hooking up with asked me to beat the shit out of her during foreplay before sex one night, I hesitated and she wound up and smacked me in the face as hard as she could so I gave her what she wanted. She woke up in the morning covered in bruises and could barely walk, but loved it. I gave up trying to understand women at that point.
Have also had two girls stop talking to me because they didn’t think I liked them or wasn’t ‘aggressive’ enough after them telling me they wanted to wait to have sex and I took that as they would let me know when the deed would go down or finished during foreplay thinking that was it, but apparently I should’ve forced myself on them, thin line between violence and arousal for women, confusing as fuck.
Is it a social construct or something deeper, like some primal instinct to find this sort of thing funny / ridiculous / unbelievable in fact? The (physically) stronger person getting shat on by a weaker person, kinda goes against how things ought to be in the wild. Women and men alike having a great laugh at this man’s expense.
Mind you I would probably be laughing as well, brainwashed to think that he must have done something wrong, like cheated to deserve that. Yet he was being physically abused by some psychotic cunt but we’re blinded by the assumption that women are always the victim. I hate double standards.
Is it a social construct or something deeper, like some primal instinct to find this sort of thing funny / ridiculous / unbelievable in fact? The (physically) stronger person getting shat on by a weaker person, kinda goes against how things ought to be in the wild. Women and men alike having a great laugh at this man’s expense.
Mind you I would probably be laughing as well, brainwashed to think that he must have done something wrong, like cheated to deserve that. Yet he was being physically abused by some psychotic cunt but we’re blinded by the assumption that women are always the victim. I hate double standards.
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Yeah, the fact remains though, that without a weapon, my wife could not prevent me from leaving or really could not physically control me in anyway. If that guy had wanted to walk away from her, he could have. She does not have the physical ability to hold him there, whereas, the other way round, he does. I think the fact that people are sub-consciously aware that he is allowing himself to be put into that situation by her, whereas with a woman, she doesn’t have that choice, leads them to intervene in one, and make fun in the other.
Is it a social construct or something deeper, like some primal instinct to find this sort of thing funny / ridiculous / unbelievable in fact? The (physically) stronger person getting shat on by a weaker person, kinda goes against how things ought to be in the wild. Women and men alike having a great laugh at this man’s expense.
Mind you I would probably be laughing as well, brainwashed to think that he must have done something wrong, like cheated to deserve that. Yet he was being physically abused by some psychotic cunt but we’re blinded by the assumption that women are always the victim. I hate double standards.
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I can’t give a concrete answer as I don’t know. In social hierarchies among wild animals, dominance is determined either through social behavior in some groups and physical stature and strength in others. Humans are unique in that their roles are dynamic. From here, culture is critical. Some communities being more towards the physical and others being more towards the social; however, the physical elements themselves can reinforce the social elements given the right feedback.
Since we now have infrastructure that reduces the need for the physical elements, there seems to be a lot less balance between the physical and social elements. People are taught to subvert physical dominance, which also subverts social elements indirectly. So when someone overcomes another individual with implied physical dominance through social dominance, that triggers a certain reward. Women abuses man: “All is in order. My beliefs are correct.” Man abuses woman: “This defies the order of the things. My beliefs are being challenged.” I don’t know. Just talking out of my ass.
A lot of it falls within sociobiological parameters. It’s just been groomed to become more of a binary manner than a spectral one. The media has influence. Parents have influence. Given how recent the phenomenon is, it is clear that it has been manufactured. The question is just how much.
Is it a social construct or something deeper, like some primal instinct to find this sort of thing funny / ridiculous / unbelievable in fact? The (physically) stronger person getting shat on by a weaker person, kinda goes against how things ought to be in the wild. Women and men alike having a great laugh at this man’s expense.
Mind you I would probably be laughing as well, brainwashed to think that he must have done something wrong, like cheated to deserve that. Yet he was being physically abused by some psychotic cunt but we’re blinded by the assumption that women are always the victim. I hate double standards.
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Yeah, the fact remains though, that without a weapon, my wife could not prevent me from leaving or really could not physically control me in anyway. If that guy had wanted to walk away from her, he could have. She does not have the physical ability to hold him there, whereas, the other way round, he does. I think the fact that people are sub-consciously aware that he is allowing himself to be put into that situation by her, whereas with a woman, she doesn’t have that choice, leads them to intervene in one, and make fun in the other.
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Makes sense, but the more these situations are highlighted the more people will understand that all is not as it seems and maybe stop presuming that the current perceived natural order of things is actually skewed arseways.
