Inno-Sport Thread

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
Come to think of it, can Shugs conduct an interview with Buchenholz? I think it’d be really interesting to say the least, and it’d really raise awareness of his philosophies and methods, not to mention book sales…Chris, are you game?

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I haven’t followed much of the DB story. I only hear some “hinky” rumors floating around about this guy and the system.

But sure, I can do my research. DB is welcome to contact me at CS@T-Nation.com or PM me if he’s already a member of T-Nation and happens to actually exist.

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Yeah Jumanji, I think I am pretty heavy for a triple jumper. The best one on my team is 6’3" and about 175, so there’s a size difference.

And to Climbon, I didn’t know I could warm up with RFI. Doesn’t that confuse the nervious system during a DUR block? Also, would some box jumps be an okay part of the warm up, as long as I didn’t cause any fatigue?

RJ

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I’d suggest using super-DUR-reactive rate work for 6 IL phases, then down-regulate to a more ISO-moderate phase-climb where you combine blocks of precentage-based fatigue training with absolute regulatory periodization Mag cycles.

[quote]squattin600 wrote:
climbon wrote:
As squattin said, you can mix Mag and Dur. I am assuming that you have been doing a good bit of Mag work in training for your events. That is why I was recommending a pure strength block, but I could be wrong. This is where it would be nice to know your previous training and see how you perform.

For the warm up, I would suggest a dynamic warm up (some video clips are on the inno-sport site under restorative warm up and there are examples on this site). As part of this, you want to perform exercises at an easy intensity that you will be using during your next cycle. That way you do not waste time learning a new movement and limit your progress.

As far as reactivity goes, you can do any RFI activity (low box speed jumps, four square, side to side jumps, etc.) as part of your warm up.

Squattin is also right, ISO’s and ADA’s should help with stiffness.

I think that using DUR methods as a “deload” from all the rate and mag work may be a good idea, or a GPP block of Rate and Dur for 25-40 seconds may be good. Do a bunch of prehab stuff in the dur work and some light Rate work (skips, ladders, etc…) not worrying about absolutes or drop offs, just conditioning, injury prevention, and recovery[/quote]

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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
OK, is SUJO another one of those InnoSport acronyms?

Ze wrote:
I wonder if Kelly B or Thibaudeau has anything to add. Hey, Staley, SUJO!!!

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SUJO is Sack Up Just Once

meaning a challenge was issued by Nuttall. Pick two people at random and you train one and he trains the other. then compare results and see who is the better coach. Nuttall posted the challenge earlier in the thread.

Now, for my opinion, I think that all this BS about DB being fake and such is BS. Now some people have posted legitimate questions (about long jumping, etc…) Why not offer some advice?

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The burden of proof still lies with InnoSport. It’s funny how propaganda machines work. Instead of answering the criticism with proof of previous results, the critic is attacked personally and then challenged. And the challenge is idiotic…n would be pretty small here, fellas. If InnoSport thinks comparisons of two (supposedly) random athletes is some kind of “proof” of anything, then the rest of their theories have to be taken with a grain of salt.

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[quote]squattin600 wrote:

Now, for my opinion, I think that all this BS about DB being fake and such is BS. Now some people have posted legitimate questions (about long jumping, etc…) Why not offer some advice?[/quote]

What do you mean by “BS”? They purported that there was German strength coach named Dietrich Buchenholz. He has never materialized. He apparently can’t read German, as emails sent to him in German were ignored, yet the same exact questions emailed to him later in English were returned. No one has ANY proof of Buchenholz being real.

Now this means you think one of two things is BS:

  1. You think DB is real. (If so, I’ve got some horrible news about the Easter Bunny…)

  2. Calling a company out for completely lying about the source of their information is “BS”.

Which is it?

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I didn’t say DB was a fake, I just said there is no such person…if I’m wrong, please prove it! As for the challenge, it would prove nothing, no matter which way it turned out.

That said, would DB like to teach at my Annual Training Summit in October, right here in Phoenix? He wouldn’t even have to fly in, since he’s supposedly based right here in town.

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SUJO is Sack Up Just Once

meaning a challenge was issued by Nuttall. Pick two people at random and you train one and he trains the other. then compare results and see who is the better coach. Nuttall posted the challenge earlier in the thread.

Now, for my opinion, I think that all this BS about DB being fake and such is BS. Now some people have posted legitimate questions (about long jumping, etc…) Why not offer some advice?[/quote]

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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
I didn’t say DB was a fake, I just said there is no such person…if I’m wrong, please prove it! As for the challenge, it would prove nothing, no matter which way it turned out.

That said, would DB like to teach at my Annual Training Summit in October, right here in Phoenix? He wouldn’t even have to fly in, since he’s supposedly based right here in town.

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I don’t need to prove anything, actually I think the whole SUJO thing is stupid. You wanted to know what it was and I told you. Simple.

You missed the second part of the post. Why not help the guys who are asking training questions?

That was my point. Debating the exsistence od DB will accomplish nothing, helping someone who wants help with his training will.

That’s why it’s BS.

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[quote]RickJames wrote:
What do you mean by “BS”? They purported that there was German strength coach named Dietrich Buchenholz. He has never materialized. He apparently can’t read German, as emails sent to him in German were ignored, yet the same exact questions emailed to him later in English were returned. No one has ANY proof of Buchenholz being real.

Now this means you think one of two things is BS:

  1. You think DB is real. (If so, I’ve got some horrible news about the Easter Bunny…)

  2. Calling a company out for completely lying about the source of their information is “BS”.

Which is it?[/quote]

The BS means the debate is pointless. So the whole debate is BS.

The point was help the guy who asked a training question, and move past the “Who is DB, blah blah” crap

Lets talk training

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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
That said, would DB like to teach at my Annual Training Summit in October."
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I will present for you, I’m awesome! If you want me I’m in.

(not necessarly on this material, I’m just awesome in general)

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Here is a logical idea.
Three Different threads;
One that debates existance,
One that debates theory,
And one that only discusses training.

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Funny how when we shift the debate to discussing training crickets start chirping…

I’ll pose the question then

Charles, there is an athlete who competes in jumping events. He would like to have some guidance on what to do with his training next.

What should he do?

I was thinking a GPP block for 3 weeks or so would be helpful (GPP= General Physical Preparedness for those who do not like the abbreviations)

Perhaps he could do a bunch of prehab type stuff for problem areas, some “davies” style GPP (burpees, etc…), low intensity med ball work, swimming, etc… to give his body a bit of a break from the CNS intensive work and pounding his body takes.

What would you reccomend?

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Fair enough.

Problem is, I don’t know a thing about this person other than the fact that he’s a jumper. I can’t propose a training stragegy based on no information. Hence, my lack of response to the question.

[quote]squattin600 wrote:
Funny how when we shift the debate to discussing training crickets start chirping…

I’ll pose the question then

Charles, there is an athlete who competes in jumping events. He would like to have some guidance on what to do with his training next.

What should he do?

I was thinking a GPP block for 3 weeks or so would be helpful (GPP= General Physical Preparedness for those who do not like the abbreviations)

Perhaps he could do a bunch of prehab type stuff for problem areas, some “davies” style GPP (burpees, etc…), low intensity med ball work, swimming, etc… to give his body a bit of a break from the CNS intensive work and pounding his body takes.

What would you reccomend?[/quote]

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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
Fair enough.

Problem is, I don’t know a thing about this person other than the fact that he’s a jumper. I can’t propose a training stragegy based on no information. Hence, my lack of response to the question.

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OK, He has asked a number of questions but it’s getting to be a huge thread and tough to dig through.

RJ, can you share some background information. I know you compete in the 100, TJ (triple jump), long jump. I do know your season is ending.

What has your current training looked like?

What did you do last offseason?

Are there any injuries that we need to know about?

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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
As for the challenge, it would prove nothing, no matter which way it turned out.
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Since it’s obvious that I have won the challenge via forfeit, I have a few questions and comments for the board:

Put yourself in the shoes of a writer/coach, meaning you cash paychecks from the advice you give others on how to train. Now, you go off and attack another coach for no real, apparent reason. I mean, some of your complaints are that you couldn’t understand the material yet, in the same breath, some of your complaints are that the material doesn’t hold any water - how can you criticize what you don’t understand?

Then, the coach catches wind of this and calls you out. He offers you a chance to substantiate your gripe and prove your “eliteness” as a coach all in one shot…but you back down.

Why?

Personally, I feel that what I wanted to prove has just been proven…Granted, without the “fireworks” that I was hoping for because I don’t think the message is going to hit home otherwise.

Think about it; if you are a coach then odds are you were a competitive athlete at some point in your life. So, when a challenge comes your way and you back down, negating what’s said about your character, are we to assume that you have simply lost all competitive drive? Or, can we assume that the motivation to back into a corner and get punched in the ovaries was because you really don’t trust your abilities as a coach (regardless of how sure you come across in your writings)?

Seriously, what does it say about your confidence as a coach considering people pay for your advice in an effort to achieve better results?

What message does it send to those people who have been duped into paying for your advice?

To me, it says that while your advice is good enough for you to bank on that it sure as hell isn’t good enough for your athletes to bank on!

Now that’s a travesty!

This is why I called Charles out, aside from defending my right; my goal is to find the best sports training solutions and make them available to the masses.

See, we really couldn’t lose. If we got better results then it would prove what we already know, substantiating the reasons of what we do. If we didn’t get better results then everyone on the board could learn from the experience, making note of how a successful coach goes about producing better results when the money’s on the line.

Sorry, but it pisses me off to see terrible advice offered again…and again…and again…to athletes with the motivation to succeed. And it just flat-out infuriates me to see writers/coaches with a respectable reputation try to hold-back good information, mostly because they didn’t write it. I remember when I was an athlete and I would bust my ass taking my coach’s advice only to end up right back where I started more times than not. My only hope is that writers/coaches like Charles will drift away so that an athlete’s desire can be met with equal competence from the coach they choose to take advice from - I don’t want another athlete to go through the shit I experienced as a player.

Bottom line: If it’s not about RESULTS then what the hell are we doing?!

(Oh, right, there’s the Charles “punched in the ovaries” Staley’s of the sports training industry and their money-grubbing thing. Maybe if we square off with money on the line Charles will find interest in protecting his spine?!)

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[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
I’d suggest using super-DUR-reactive rate work for 6 IL phases, then down-regulate to a more ISO-moderate phase-climb where you combine blocks of precentage-based fatigue training with absolute regulatory periodization Mag cycles.
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Best post on the entire thread.

-Nate

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I am not sure if anyone knows Todd Hamer but I do know that he took “The Challenge” put up by DB and he wrote an article on it. If you have read anything on this, you would know that Todd trains and loves Westside ideas and methods for himself and his athletes, but he did see an increase in his bench my working with DB via email…the point of bringing this up is that perhaps if someone knows him or could contact him on how he felt or feels about this mehtod as comprared to a westside method of training athletes…I feel that he may be able to supply a lot of good feedback, being someone who knows a lot and actually was emersed in both programs for his powerlifting performance…just a thought…

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OK, you win (hope I can sleep tonight!)

[quote]Nuttall wrote:

Since it’s obvious that I have won the challenge via forfeit, I have a few questions and comments for the board:
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[quote]Nate Green wrote:
Charles Staley wrote:
I’d suggest using super-DUR-reactive rate work for 6 IL phases, then down-regulate to a more ISO-moderate phase-climb where you combine blocks of precentage-based fatigue training with absolute regulatory periodization Mag cycles.

Best post on the entire thread.

-Nate[/quote]

Nate…don’t pretend you aren’t looking everyone of those terms up in the back of Supertraining as we speak!

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[quote]Will Heffernan wrote:

Nate…don’t pretend you aren’t looking everyone of those terms up in the back of Supertraining as we speak!

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Wait a tic…

Is there a ghost talking to me…? I thought it was some wanker I met in DC, but apparently he’s too cool to hang out here any more…

anyways…

…and I’m half-way through lookin’ 'em up right now!

-Nate