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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Thats what’s happening already, SPF has been bossing and pushing around it’s athletes, and the other feds. Right now your watching the best lifters in the world, going else where, and supporting other feds. I mean SPF tries to institute rules so if they’re athletes lift somewhere else they get suspended, and fined.

Even if it’s say, a geared lifter, trying a raw meet that the SPF doesn’t offer. Top lifter’s are rebelling against this. The other thing I’ve read but don’t fully understand was what happened with the world PLing Championships a few years ago. The story I heard was the SPF was stepping all over European Feds, they’re rules were the only ones that mattered.

The whole thing fell apart with the SPF making a statement it didn’t matter because the strongest lifters competed in the states anyway. I’m open to be corrected on the worlds part, but if it’s true at all, wow. When I was done with athletics,(years ago) and made the choice of PLing over BBing. Mainly because PLing was a competitive sport, with a clear winner. Whereas BBing was an art form, left up to subjective judging, LOL. I have never competed in a SPF event,(not to hate) and was simply using them as the biggest fed to make a point.

That the athletes, and fans will ultimately use they’re wallets, and attendance to voice they’re opinions [/quote]

I’m very confused by your statements. Are you sure you’re not mixing up the IPF with the SPF? The SPF has never mandated anything of their lifters only lifting in SPF meets. Only the IPF has done that, as far as I’m awar

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I think you may be right IPF, just repeating what I read somewhere, I think starting strength, either way I have nothing against either fed just making a point. We as athlete’s, and fans have the right to support, or not support what ever fed we want, and they have the right to set rules as they see fit. Sorry if above post sounded negative it wasn’t my intention. I think I just have a slanted view of all this, seeing as I last competed in 99, and than do to injury, and life, I recently came back to the sport. I didn’t compete, lift heavy, or follow PLing in any degree. Seems weird but I dealt with the injury, pill addiction, new wife, new baby, and 13 years just went by. This year I decided to compete, and started looking into meets, and reading up on PL info.

Lots has changed, (probably more to do with the internet than anything). It’s all a little confusing, everyone seems to have an opinion, even if they haven’t spent any time getting strong. It’s definitely not worth getting worked up over, sorry for the mix up

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Lots has changed, (probably more to do with the internet than anything). It’s all a little confusing, everyone seems to have an opinion, even if they haven’t spent any time getting strong. It’s definitely not worth getting worked up over, sorry for the mix up [/quote]

No worries! And boy isn’t that the truth. I would love to know how many people post shitty comments about federations or the validity of lifts have actually competed themselves.

I competed this weekend raw just for shits and giggles. It reminded me how awesome the sport (as it is in real life) really is. All of the people in my flights were rooting me on, asking me how my lifts went, etc., etc. The funny thing is, it’s the exact opposite of what you’d think a real meet would be like after reading message board forums! It’s crazy. It’s a complete dichotomy.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

There is no difference, you perform the way you practice.
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LOL. I’ve read some dumb things on the internets, but this takes the cake.[/quote]

I am sure you have the numbers to dispute that and you are the exception to this commonly held belief among all sports.

By the way, there is only one internet, singular not plural.[/quote]

It is a commonly held belief that you perform the way you practice. But that doesn’t mean jack shit in terms of whether there is a difference between what you do in training and what you do on the platform. Numbers have nothing to do with it bud, sorry. There’s a huge difference between your gym lifts and comp lifts, end of story.

And no shit, “internets” is not a word. Next time you want to troll on grammar look to context before you look like more of an ass.

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[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

There is no difference, you perform the way you practice.
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LOL. I’ve read some dumb things on the internets, but this takes the cake.[/quote]

I am sure you have the numbers to dispute that and you are the exception to this commonly held belief among all sports.

By the way, there is only one internet, singular not plural.[/quote]

It is a commonly held belief that you perform the way you practice.
[/quote]

Glad you agree.

[quote]Rock978 wrote:
But that doesn’t mean jack shit in terms of whether there is a difference between what you do in training and what you do on the platform. Numbers have nothing to do with it bud, sorry.
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I could be wrong but I think that’s how they determine the winner.

[quote]Rock978 wrote:
There’s a huge difference between your gym lifts and comp lifts, end of story.
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Not much if you’re doing it right.

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[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
No doubt that Dave Hoff is a strong motherfucker and he can move some serious weight, but that squat was absolute horse shit and everybody knows it. It shouldn’t have counted and he shouldn’t have gotten the record. This is why multi-ply lifting is retarded in my opinion (inb4 shit storm). Of course, you’ll hear people say, “It’s completely different and adds a whole other element to the sport,” which is correct, but still, let’s be honest.

Does anybody find squatting 1,200+ lbs. to 4" ABOVE parallel impressive in any way, shape, or form? I sure as hell don’t, and neither should anybody who gives to shits about this sport.

Don’t get me wrong, the bench and deadlift were legit lifts (even if they were done in multi-ply), but I still can’t get over the squat.

In my opinion, the most pure and unadulterated form of powerlifting is anything done in the IPF, USAPL, or USPF, where you walk your squats out, knee wraps aren’t allowed in the raw division, the judges are nazis when it comes to depth and bench pauses, and the most equipment you can use is single-ply.

I’d like to see how any of these Westside guys fare in any of the legit federations that I mentioned above. Just my $0.02.

inb4 tl;dr.

CS

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So let me get this straight, you are going to bash all multi-ply squats because the judges cant call depth. You are going to hate on the fact that depth is miss called so multi-ply is bad to use. It is really easy for someone who hasn’t squatted 1200+ that they have no depth. I’m not saying the squat was good, I love Dave Hoff, talked to him over facebook super nice guy, and I don’t think that squat was legit at all. But, because the SPF has very lenient judges doesn’t mean all multi-ply lifting is bad. Just means we need new rules. Also we always bash on these insane weights that people do. This isn’t a challenge to the you CSeagle, but to everyone. I want you to step into a squat suit and even unrack 1200 pounds and not want to cry like a little bitch.
This post is all over the place I get really aggravated when people bash multi-ply lifting.

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[quote]Umbrata Fortis wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
No doubt that Dave Hoff is a strong motherfucker and he can move some serious weight, but that squat was absolute horse shit and everybody knows it. It shouldn’t have counted and he shouldn’t have gotten the record. This is why multi-ply lifting is retarded in my opinion (inb4 shit storm). Of course, you’ll hear people say, “It’s completely different and adds a whole other element to the sport,” which is correct, but still, let’s be honest.

Does anybody find squatting 1,200+ lbs. to 4" ABOVE parallel impressive in any way, shape, or form? I sure as hell don’t, and neither should anybody who gives to shits about this sport.

Don’t get me wrong, the bench and deadlift were legit lifts (even if they were done in multi-ply), but I still can’t get over the squat.

In my opinion, the most pure and unadulterated form of powerlifting is anything done in the IPF, USAPL, or USPF, where you walk your squats out, knee wraps aren’t allowed in the raw division, the judges are nazis when it comes to depth and bench pauses, and the most equipment you can use is single-ply.

I’d like to see how any of these Westside guys fare in any of the legit federations that I mentioned above. Just my $0.02.

inb4 tl;dr.

CS

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So let me get this straight, you are going to bash all multi-ply squats because the judges cant call depth. You are going to hate on the fact that depth is miss called so multi-ply is bad to use. It is really easy for someone who hasn’t squatted 1200+ that they have no depth. I’m not saying the squat was good, I love Dave Hoff, talked to him over facebook super nice guy, and I don’t think that squat was legit at all. But, because the SPF has very lenient judges doesn’t mean all multi-ply lifting is bad. Just means we need new rules. Also we always bash on these insane weights that people do. This isn’t a challenge to the you CSeagle, but to everyone. I want you to step into a squat suit and even unrack 1200 pounds and not want to cry like a little bitch.
This post is all over the place I get really aggravated when people bash multi-ply lifting.[/quote]

Personally I see high squatting a logical continuation of adding more and more gear.

Yes, I find multi-ply silly at best.

Don’t get mad because the SPF just took multi-ply to the next logical level of a way to add more weight to the bar.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Umbrata Fortis wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
No doubt that Dave Hoff is a strong motherfucker and he can move some serious weight, but that squat was absolute horse shit and everybody knows it. It shouldn’t have counted and he shouldn’t have gotten the record. This is why multi-ply lifting is retarded in my opinion (inb4 shit storm). Of course, you’ll hear people say, “It’s completely different and adds a whole other element to the sport,” which is correct, but still, let’s be honest.

Does anybody find squatting 1,200+ lbs. to 4" ABOVE parallel impressive in any way, shape, or form? I sure as hell don’t, and neither should anybody who gives to shits about this sport.

Don’t get me wrong, the bench and deadlift were legit lifts (even if they were done in multi-ply), but I still can’t get over the squat.

In my opinion, the most pure and unadulterated form of powerlifting is anything done in the IPF, USAPL, or USPF, where you walk your squats out, knee wraps aren’t allowed in the raw division, the judges are nazis when it comes to depth and bench pauses, and the most equipment you can use is single-ply.

I’d like to see how any of these Westside guys fare in any of the legit federations that I mentioned above. Just my $0.02.

inb4 tl;dr.

CS

[/quote]

So let me get this straight, you are going to bash all multi-ply squats because the judges cant call depth. You are going to hate on the fact that depth is miss called so multi-ply is bad to use. It is really easy for someone who hasn’t squatted 1200+ that they have no depth. I’m not saying the squat was good, I love Dave Hoff, talked to him over facebook super nice guy, and I don’t think that squat was legit at all. But, because the SPF has very lenient judges doesn’t mean all multi-ply lifting is bad. Just means we need new rules. Also we always bash on these insane weights that people do. This isn’t a challenge to the you CSeagle, but to everyone. I want you to step into a squat suit and even unrack 1200 pounds and not want to cry like a little bitch.
This post is all over the place I get really aggravated when people bash multi-ply lifting.[/quote]

Personally I see high squatting a logical continuation of adding more and more gear.

Yes, I find multi-ply silly at best.

Don’t get mad because the SPF just took multi-ply to the next logical level of a way to add more weight to the bar.[/quote]

Not agreeing one way or the other but this made me laugh.

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[quote]Umbrata Fortis wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
No doubt that Dave Hoff is a strong motherfucker and he can move some serious weight, but that squat was absolute horse shit and everybody knows it. It shouldn’t have counted and he shouldn’t have gotten the record. This is why multi-ply lifting is retarded in my opinion (inb4 shit storm). Of course, you’ll hear people say, “It’s completely different and adds a whole other element to the sport,” which is correct, but still, let’s be honest.

Does anybody find squatting 1,200+ lbs. to 4" ABOVE parallel impressive in any way, shape, or form? I sure as hell don’t, and neither should anybody who gives to shits about this sport.

Don’t get me wrong, the bench and deadlift were legit lifts (even if they were done in multi-ply), but I still can’t get over the squat.

In my opinion, the most pure and unadulterated form of powerlifting is anything done in the IPF, USAPL, or USPF, where you walk your squats out, knee wraps aren’t allowed in the raw division, the judges are nazis when it comes to depth and bench pauses, and the most equipment you can use is single-ply.

I’d like to see how any of these Westside guys fare in any of the legit federations that I mentioned above. Just my $0.02.

inb4 tl;dr.

CS

[/quote]

So let me get this straight, you are going to bash all multi-ply squats because the judges cant call depth. You are going to hate on the fact that depth is miss called so multi-ply is bad to use. It is really easy for someone who hasn’t squatted 1200+ that they have no depth. I’m not saying the squat was good, I love Dave Hoff, talked to him over facebook super nice guy, and I don’t think that squat was legit at all. But, because the SPF has very lenient judges doesn’t mean all multi-ply lifting is bad. Just means we need new rules. Also we always bash on these insane weights that people do. This isn’t a challenge to the you CSeagle, but to everyone. I want you to step into a squat suit and even unrack 1200 pounds and not want to cry like a little bitch.
This post is all over the place I get really aggravated when people bash multi-ply lifting.[/quote]

if someone used bionic legs to lift 1300 pounds would you be impressed.

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I used a single ply suit back around 1995 that gave me 20 lbs on my squat and I believe most of what Coan did around that time didn’t give him that much either. The initial intention of squat suits and bench shirts was to protect the lifter which is what a belt and wraps are supposed to be for.
I lift only raw now with wrist wraps, knee sleeves, and a belt. Powerlifting used to be about the person against the weight and I believe that is how it should remain. Geared lifting should be called geared lifting and it does have its technique and the lifters are strong as hell. Why can’t we have a totally different sport called Geared Lifting and just leave powerlifting alone to unify.
In many other countries besides the United States, I understand, powerlifting is a hugely popular sport and could make it to the Olympics perhaps if there was more unity and regulation such as in the IPF, USAPL, and such. Just saying call a duck a duck and lets get on with it.

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I was just over reading at Elite FTS and the relentless PLing meet review. Brian Schwab is a light PLer 165lbs anyway he listed his totals; squat 770lb, Bench 570lb, and Dead 570lbs These are strong lifts no dobt for anyone, especialy 165lb, but tell me this isn’t all gear, since when did the deadlift become the weakest lift, I don’t get it. I know I’ve been away from the sport for a long time, but deads used to be the strongest lift, then squat, and then bench.

It seems funny to me that the deadlift is really the only lift gear dosn’t help, and it’s becomming the weakest. he set a world record with this, but it just bugs me seeing this. The guy dosen’t really look like he’s ever lifted a weight, and I wonder what he’d lift out of all his gear, well we know what he’d deadlift. I say a 350 bench, 450 squat, and a 550 dead, all m,strong for a 165er, but world records ?

I just want to clarify and say i know the work that goes into getting this stong, and relentless was for disabled kids. i just hate whats happening to the sport, and how the deadlift is becomming the weakest lift, due to gear. soon they’ll start the deadlift from the top, so they can get help from the gear. It should be about who’s strongest. Whatever

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I was just over reading at Elite FTS and the relentless PLing meet review. Brian Schwab is a light PLer 165lbs anyway he listed his totals; squat 770lb, Bench 570lb, and Dead 570lbs These are strong lifts no dobt for anyone, especialy 165lb, but tell me this isn’t all gear, since when did the deadlift become the weakest lift, I don’t get it. I know I’ve been away from the sport for a long time, but deads used to be the strongest lift, then squat, and then bench. It seems funny to me that the deadlift is really the only lift gear dosn’t help, and it’s becomming the weakest. he set a world record with this, but it just bugs me seeing this. The guy dosen’t really look like he’s ever lifted a weight, and I wonder what he’d lift out of all his gear, well we know what he’d deadlift. I say a 350 bench, 450 squat, and a 550 dead, all m,strong for a 165er, but world records ?
I just want to clarify and say i know the work that goes into getting this stong, and relentless was for disabled kids. i just hate whats happening to the sport, and how the deadlift is becomming the weakest lift, due to gear. soon they’ll start the deadlift from the top, so they can get help from the gear. It should be about who’s strongest. Whatever[/quote]
Actually sumo guys can get up to 200 pounds from a dead lift suit. And 50ish conventional. I’d say 350 raw bench would be being very generous

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Brian Schwab RUPC 2009-01-24 1377 @ 148

He wasnt far from setting a world record for raw total without knee wraps. I get what you were saying though. Using Brian just happened to be a bad example.

Check out how awesome his squats are!

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Ya I’ve never heard of Brian, and wasn’t trying to bash the guy in any way, just using his numbers to make a point, but it does seem by your vid that the suit adds about 270lbs to his squat. anyway none of this matter, just saying, and ranting. whatever

For shits and giggles that means the suit is lifting 35% of the weight on a 770 squat. latter

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[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
Brian Schwab RUPC 2009-01-24 1377 @ 148

He wasnt far from setting a world record for raw total without knee wraps. I get what you were saying though. Using Brian just happened to be a bad example.

Check out how awesome his squats are!

Did they have that background song on repeat at that meet? That would drive me nuts.

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I know Brian and have lifted with him and he is very strong and a great powerlifter, beyond that he is great individual and trains special olympics lifters. Brian has a great powerlifting gym I have trained at and will tell you that lifting in gear is a different animal than raw lifting. Brian Schwab is a world class person and elite powerlifter both raw and geared and he has great knowledge in both categories.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Check out how awesome his squats are![/quote]

I did and they suck.

His first squat should have been red lighted for depth.

His subsequent squats were “OK”. Nothing special.

The requirement for “depth” is to have the crease at the hip below the top of the knee. Its got nothing to do with “parallel”, whatever dafuq that means.

www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/06/novice/squata.jpg

www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/06/novice/novice.html

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[quote]Triceptaurus wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Check out how awesome his squats are![/quote]

I did and they suck.

His first squat should have been red lighted for depth.

His subsequent squats were “OK”. Nothing special.

The requirement for “depth” is to have the crease at the hip below the top of the knee. Its got nothing to do with “parallel”, whatever dafuq that means.

www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/06/novice/squata.jpg

www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/06/novice/novice.html

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You’re right about the rule, but it also has everything to do with parallel. Draw a line from the top of the knee to the crease of the hip. Once the crease of the lifter’s hip falls below the knee, that line has broken “parallel” and it’s a legal squat.

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Can anyone show a video of a multi-ply squat that truly hit depth(i.e. hip crease below knee)? Because I’ve yet to see one…

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[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
Can anyone show a video of a multi-ply squat that truly hit depth(i.e. hip crease below knee)? Because I’ve yet to see one…[/quote]

legitimate question but holy shit are you going to get butts hurt.

i think he is to depth but a bit hard to tell with the angle