There are some really BAD lifts getting passed even in raw competition. How many more squat records with a walk out squat will be “broken” by a non-walk out squat?
How many more bench press records will be broken by lifters who aren’t at full lockout during the handoff, sink it a mile into their chest and then heave it up to partial lockout?
How many more totals will be broken with high squats, touch and go bench presses beating press calls?
These federations that are allowing this piss poor judging should be ashamed of themselves. All in the name of more weight being lifted in their federation for more $ and popularity.
There is something to be said about the way lifts were done in the past. It was rare, if ever, a bulls**t lift got passed in the IPF, USPF and AAU. You won’t see that garbage getting passed in 100% RAW either.
Powerlifting better get back to its roots. These federations and the crap judging are just getting out of hand and ruining powerlifting. It’s not the gear guys - it’s these A**HOLE greedy federations.
Just a stupid rant that’s been said a thousands times elsewhere. After watching a couple “popular” lifters this past weekend getting lifts passed for records, I had to vent…LOL
It comes down to the people. If people are truly unhappy with these things going on, then they shouldn’t compete in those feds and the problem will solve itself. Personally I’m only a USAPL/IPF guy, so those are the only people I compare to. I think someone should simply compare to their fed, as those are probably the only ones who have a similar experience. Honestly there’s a huge variance in the strictness of judging, timing of weigh-ins, even of procedure carrying the lifts out (re-racking, taking extra time, etc). So the only way to really do it is just compare yourself to people competing under similar conditions, which can be difficult due to the large amount of ways in which variance can occur.
I also find it a bit odd that there are so many federations in the States, if only because I think it might reduce the overall exposure of the sport. Think about it: when you have a bunch of small governing bodies, they can’t afford to properly advertise/recruit/train/reimburse etc. A larger governing body would in theory be better able to bundle resources and work to improve the standing of the sport in a country over the long run.
I think it’s certainly wise to just compare to like-minded federations - in rules, etc. Very good points everybody. I think USAPL has a good grasp on things. From what I remember I think USPF is still holding true.
Curls4Girls - weigh ins should be 2 hrs before lifting
Trivium - I compete in 100% RAW only so far. I have to be flat footed. I believe that is the way the records were set back in Pacifico, Coan days as well. But…I’m not 100% sure of the rules back then on the flat foot during the bench. It seemed to me most of them appeared to be flat footed so I assume they practiced how they competed.
I don’t care for feds that have shit lifting standards. “Records” there just don’t count. Like nobody really gives a shit about Hoff’s record.
But what about PED use in UNTESTED feds. For example, when I saw that Ernie Lilliebridge Junior broke Larry Pacifico’s record I thought that the former had probably A LOT BETTER PED stuff on his side than Larry did back then (note: not claiming Larry wasn’t on some test).
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I don’t care for feds that have shit lifting standards. “Records” there just don’t count. Like nobody really gives a shit about Hoff’s record.
But what about PED use in UNTESTED feds. For example, when I saw that Ernie Lilliebridge Junior broke Larry Pacifico’s record I thought that the former had probably A LOT BETTER PED stuff on his side than Larry did back then (note: not claiming Larry wasn’t on some test).[/quote]
Ernie has access to better shit, although amongst elite level powerlifters, he is by far one of the lower dosing guys; way fucking lower than his brother lol.
And Ernie got to weigh in 24hrs before and had better knee wraps and whatever the fuck. But still, even with all that shit it took someone almost 40 years to break Pacifico’s record. Although Ernie has a lot more in him if he can ever figure out how to hold on to the goddamn bar.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
You seem like one of the guys that complains about the 24 hour weigh-ins.[/quote]
Sometimes those are bullshit also. Matt Kroc cut something like 21 pounds of water weight to get to the 220s then gained most of it back. He should have been in the 275’s almost. I think when it is done to extremes like this this ridiculous.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
You seem like one of the guys that complains about the 24 hour weigh-ins.[/quote]
Sometimes those are bullshit also. Matt Kroc cut something like 21 pounds of water weight to get to the 220s then gained most of it back. He should have been in the 275’s almost. I think when it is done to extremes like this this ridiculous. [/quote]
It kind of sucks that part of any competition with weightclasses is figuring out how to cut ridiculous amounts of weight prior to weigh-in and then gain it back for the competition. I don’t think that is anybody’s idea of a cool sport. Ideally, people would just compete in the class that they walk around in. If they wanted to get to a different class, they would actually lose or gain the weight on a long term basis. But everyone knows that won’t happen.
If I was running a competition, I would have a 24 hour weigh in followed by a weigh-in right before the competition. Right before the competition, you could be up to 5lbs over with no penalty.
I don’t think that 24 hour weigh ins are bad at all from a logistics standpoint. I’m not in the running to break all time records so anything that guys like Matt Kroc or Dan Green does doesn’t really matter to me. The fed I compete in has a weigh in the night prior and the morning of. It’s great because I don’t need to get to the venue two hours prior and I’m not rushed trying to get my weight and rack heights.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
You seem like one of the guys that complains about the 24 hour weigh-ins.[/quote]
Sometimes those are bullshit also. Matt Kroc cut something like 21 pounds of water weight to get to the 220s then gained most of it back. He should have been in the 275’s almost. I think when it is done to extremes like this this ridiculous. [/quote]
It kind of sucks that part of any competition with weightclasses is figuring out how to cut ridiculous amounts of weight prior to weigh-in and then gain it back for the competition. I don’t think that is anybody’s idea of a cool sport. Ideally, people would just compete in the class that they walk around in. If they wanted to get to a different class, they would actually lose or gain the weight on a long term basis. But everyone knows that won’t happen.
If I was running a competition, I would have a 24 hour weigh in followed by a weigh-in right before the competition. Right before the competition, you could be up to 5lbs over with no penalty.
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The only way to get competitors to compete at their walking weight is to force them to take a hydration test. And even then people will eventually test the limits to hydrate just enough at the lowest weight possible. Having a weigh-in right before competition wouldn’t force people to stop cutting - they would just compete with only a moderate amount of weight loss that doesn’t negatively impact strength.
If the hydration test becomes a new requirement, what do we do with all of the previous records? The future lifts aren’t really comparable since the newer athletes will have to conform to new regulations which could mean having a 5-10% weight disadvantage. This is different compared to a sport such as wrestling where the two athletes battling it out head-to-head are subject to the same requirements and it wouldn’t favor anyone.
It would be pretty difficult having hydration tests implemented in powerlifting unless weight cutting became a major health concern and it received a lot of attention.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
You seem like one of the guys that complains about the 24 hour weigh-ins.[/quote]
Sometimes those are bullshit also. Matt Kroc cut something like 21 pounds of water weight to get to the 220s then gained most of it back. He should have been in the 275’s almost. I think when it is done to extremes like this this ridiculous. [/quote]
It kind of sucks that part of any competition with weightclasses is figuring out how to cut ridiculous amounts of weight prior to weigh-in and then gain it back for the competition. I don’t think that is anybody’s idea of a cool sport. Ideally, people would just compete in the class that they walk around in. If they wanted to get to a different class, they would actually lose or gain the weight on a long term basis. But everyone knows that won’t happen.
If I was running a competition, I would have a 24 hour weigh in followed by a weigh-in right before the competition. Right before the competition, you could be up to 5lbs over with no penalty.
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I personally really like the rule the RPS has in that if you break a record you can be reweighed and if you weigh more than the next weight class they don’t count the record
I’m not sure why anyone would get so jacked over someone cutting a weight class. Everyone has an equal opportunity to do so. There are repercussions to cutting too much too late. But that’s the lifter’s choice. Wrestlers go up and down weight classes all the time and I never heard anyone complain about that. I will admit that a 24- vs 2-hour weigh in could make a huge difference in numbers, though.
I have personally only competed USAPL. The inherent strictness appeals to me. As such, I only really follow the numbers of other lifters in my fed because I know that it’s an apples to apples comparison that way.
I personally only care about IPF, it is the most internationally respected fed. Lifts are legit and judges fair and strict plus 2 hours weight-ins should be the norm.
About the world records… a world record is set at the world games.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
You seem like one of the guys that complains about the 24 hour weigh-ins.[/quote]
Sometimes those are bullshit also. Matt Kroc cut something like 21 pounds of water weight to get to the 220s then gained most of it back. He should have been in the 275’s almost. I think when it is done to extremes like this this ridiculous. [/quote]
It kind of sucks that part of any competition with weightclasses is figuring out how to cut ridiculous amounts of weight prior to weigh-in and then gain it back for the competition. I don’t think that is anybody’s idea of a cool sport. Ideally, people would just compete in the class that they walk around in. If they wanted to get to a different class, they would actually lose or gain the weight on a long term basis. But everyone knows that won’t happen.
If I was running a competition, I would have a 24 hour weigh in followed by a weigh-in right before the competition. Right before the competition, you could be up to 5lbs over with no penalty.
[/quote]
The only way to get competitors to compete at their walking weight is to force them to take a hydration test. And even then people will eventually test the limits to hydrate just enough at the lowest weight possible. Having a weigh-in right before competition wouldn’t force people to stop cutting - they would just compete with only a moderate amount of weight loss that doesn’t negatively impact strength.
If the hydration test becomes a new requirement, what do we do with all of the previous records? The future lifts aren’t really comparable since the newer athletes will have to conform to new regulations which could mean having a 5-10% weight disadvantage. This is different compared to a sport such as wrestling where the two athletes battling it out head-to-head are subject to the same requirements and it wouldn’t favor anyone.
It would be pretty difficult having hydration tests implemented in powerlifting unless weight cutting became a major health concern and it received a lot of attention.[/quote]
How in the world is that logistically possible… SO if someone is sick or dehydrated for some reason, they aren’t going to be allowed to lift? Alright… I assume you’ve never wrestled or been involved in wrestling. I have no idea how someone can set a weight requirement for something and then remove people’s ability to hit that weight doing something that’s been done for 100s of years.
I hate to make this about cutting, but I totally understand where the people on the otherside are saying about cutting. I don’t really care either because I personally will never cut for competition. But I do think it is a bit excessive to cut 21 pounds a day prior to competition then gaining all of it back the day before. I think one of the biggest problems is with athletes competing at home meets to break records. Dave Hoff would never have been credited with that total if it was not ran by Louie.