thats literally the only multiply squat ive ever seen to depth
Brent Miksell used to squat to legit depth in multiply.
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
Can anyone show a video of a multi-ply squat that truly hit depth(i.e. hip crease below knee)? Because I’ve yet to see one…[/quote]
legitimate question but holy shit are you going to get butts hurt.
i think he is to depth but a bit hard to tell with the angle[/quote]
Why would I? It’s true… Everyone that lifts multi-ply says its not the gears fault, yet that one is the first one I’ve seen even close to anything I’d call depth. Hoff’s is almost a 45 degree angle…
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
Can anyone show a video of a multi-ply squat that truly hit depth(i.e. hip crease below knee)? Because I’ve yet to see one…[/quote]
legitimate question but holy shit are you going to get butts hurt.
i think he is to depth but a bit hard to tell with the angle[/quote]
Why would I? It’s true… Everyone that lifts multi-ply says its not the gears fault, yet that one is the first one I’ve seen even close to anything I’d call depth. Hoff’s is almost a 45 degree angle…[/quote]
people get awfully upset when you say anything negative about gear in general! its as though they know, deep down, that its silly so they react very strongly to any challenge of it
does anyone think multi ply will be dead in ten years? or will there always be people who want to display a strength level far above what they actually possess
[quote]Umbrata Fortis wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
No doubt that Dave Hoff is a strong motherfucker and he can move some serious weight, but that squat was absolute horse shit and everybody knows it. It shouldn’t have counted and he shouldn’t have gotten the record. This is why multi-ply lifting is retarded in my opinion (inb4 shit storm). Of course, you’ll hear people say, “It’s completely different and adds a whole other element to the sport,” which is correct, but still, let’s be honest.
Does anybody find squatting 1,200+ lbs. to 4" ABOVE parallel impressive in any way, shape, or form? I sure as hell don’t, and neither should anybody who gives to shits about this sport.
Don’t get me wrong, the bench and deadlift were legit lifts (even if they were done in multi-ply), but I still can’t get over the squat.
In my opinion, the most pure and unadulterated form of powerlifting is anything done in the IPF, USAPL, or USPF, where you walk your squats out, knee wraps aren’t allowed in the raw division, the judges are nazis when it comes to depth and bench pauses, and the most equipment you can use is single-ply.
I’d like to see how any of these Westside guys fare in any of the legit federations that I mentioned above. Just my $0.02.
inb4 tl;dr.
CS
[/quote]
So let me get this straight, you are going to bash all multi-ply squats because the judges cant call depth. You are going to hate on the fact that depth is miss called so multi-ply is bad to use. It is really easy for someone who hasn’t squatted 1200+ that they have no depth. I’m not saying the squat was good, I love Dave Hoff, talked to him over facebook super nice guy, and I don’t think that squat was legit at all. But, because the SPF has very lenient judges doesn’t mean all multi-ply lifting is bad. Just means we need new rules. Also we always bash on these insane weights that people do. This isn’t a challenge to the you CSeagle, but to everyone. I want you to step into a squat suit and even unrack 1200 pounds and not want to cry like a little bitch.
This post is all over the place I get really aggravated when people bash multi-ply lifting.[/quote]
What? No one here is saying they can squat 1200 lbs, but the point is that Dave Hoff can’t either… You are really going to tell me it’s the judges fault? That’s like saying its the police’s fault when someone gets away with a crime… No, its the person who committed the crime’s fault.
Look, if you have the potential to attempt a 1200 lb squat, you obviously have been in the game a long time. You’ve seen your squats on video. You know what hip crease below knee is and what isn’t. Stop making it some game. I’ve never heard a multi-ply guy simply say , “yeah I know I didn’t hit depth but I just wanted more weight.”
We all know its true, hence how I can literally only ever see one multi-ply squat in my life to depth. Don’t blame it on the judges, blame it on the people doing the squatting… Its not the judges job to baby you and make sure you do everything right, it’s simply their job to accept it or not. And the huge following regarding max weight and setting records has absolutely corrupted the judging, hence how you see squats like this around 45 degrees passed.
You make a lot of excuses, yet never actually show anyone owning up.
Once again, I don’t think I can squat 1200 lbs, yet that doesn’t mean I can’t tell when someone is BSing. I can’t dunk from the free throw line, yet I can still tell when Lebron takes 3 steps…
All im saying is if powerlifting was in the olympics and you had to full squat the olympic lifters out there would blow most of the plers away.
I watched max aita (spelling) squat 600 lbs for 5 reps raw no belt or knee wraps lol. Alot of oly squatters put up some damn impressive atg squats
[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
All im saying is if powerlifting was in the olympics and you had to full squat the olympic lifters out there would blow most of the plers away.
I watched max aita (spelling) squat 600 lbs for 5 reps raw no belt or knee wraps lol. Alot of oly squatters put up some damn impressive atg squats[/quote]
If oly lifting was the best way to train for Pling, all PLers would do oly lifting… Its moronic to think that one group that doesnt train for someone would beat another that specifically trains for that function.
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
All im saying is if powerlifting was in the olympics and you had to full squat the olympic lifters out there would blow most of the plers away.
I watched max aita (spelling) squat 600 lbs for 5 reps raw no belt or knee wraps lol. Alot of oly squatters put up some damn impressive atg squats[/quote]
If oly lifting was the best way to train for Pling, all PLers would do oly lifting… Its moronic to think that one group that doesnt train for someone would beat another that specifically trains for that function. [/quote]
they never have any questions around depth though
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
All im saying is if powerlifting was in the olympics and you had to full squat the olympic lifters out there would blow most of the plers away.
I watched max aita (spelling) squat 600 lbs for 5 reps raw no belt or knee wraps lol. Alot of oly squatters put up some damn impressive atg squats[/quote]
If oly lifting was the best way to train for Pling, all PLers would do oly lifting… Its moronic to think that one group that doesnt train for someone would beat another that specifically trains for that function. [/quote]
they never have any questions around depth though[/quote]
They don’t compete in squatting contests. Not saying they aren’t strong obviously, just saying its pretty silly to say they’d be stronger than most PLers. If the PLers trained to depth and squatted to depth, it would stand to reason they would squat more than the oly lifters, who don’t train to squat, they train to snatch and c&j. obviously they squat to help with this, but its not a primary movement for them like the squat is for PLers
I think Pwnisher has the best approach here. This is a game. If you are involved for ANY reason other than you like it and its fun to you, you need a new hobby.
I know I’m skinny and I suck. Whatever. I have fun and have been happily lifting 7 years. Works for me.
[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
All im saying is if powerlifting was in the olympics and you had to full squat the olympic lifters out there would blow most of the plers away.
I watched max aita (spelling) squat 600 lbs for 5 reps raw no belt or knee wraps lol. Alot of oly squatters put up some damn impressive atg squats[/quote]
Max Aita has been training for PL for a while, now. At least he was when he was making huge lifts (705 squat @ 220 raw, for example.)
I watched that lift it was nice. But i think he would do better in powerlifting just using his oly squat. In the 705 squat he was using knee wraps a monolift and a belt. In the video of his oly squat i watched him walk out 660 with no belt or wraps and full depth squat that thing.
I dk about you but a guy walking out 660 lbs with no belt or no wraps, then full depth squatting it then walking it back in unassisted is way more impressive than a 705 squat out of a monolift with belt and wraps.
I think if he added the belt and wraps and monolift to his oly squat he would blow 705 away easily.
PLer wrote
Four years ago in April of 2007, I performed my first 500 lbs bench at the AAPF Nationals in Monroe, LA. I had worked for almost 2 years to finally break the 500 barrier. After that meet, I assumed that 600 would not be that difficult to get to. After much trial and error, jumping from program to program, trying more bench shirts than one man should, and 4 very long years, I finally achieved a goal that I set for myself when I first started competing in 2001: the 600 bench. I lifted it on my 4th attempt at the APA Bench Press Nationals on February 26thof this year. What follows are 3 things that helped me bench 600.
Raw bench work has always been hard of me. I am not a great raw bencher (My best raw is 308 in a meet. My best gym raw bench is 335.), so I have to find ways to lift heaver weights raw in order to get good carryover for my shirt work.
Anytime wrote
This is an article I came across while reading Pling articles, thought it would be interesting for this thread. I’m not going to name the PLer this time, because thats not the point, don’t really know what the point is, but 100% increase in weight from gear, just blows my mind. I just grabbed two quotes, but the whole article is over at RTS, great PLing info there, for geared, and ungeared. Latter
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
PLer wrote
Four years ago in April of 2007, I performed my first 500 lbs bench at the AAPF Nationals in Monroe, LA. I had worked for almost 2 years to finally break the 500 barrier. After that meet, I assumed that 600 would not be that difficult to get to. After much trial and error, jumping from program to program, trying more bench shirts than one man should, and 4 very long years, I finally achieved a goal that I set for myself when I first started competing in 2001: the 600 bench. I lifted it on my 4th attempt at the APA Bench Press Nationals on February 26thof this year. What follows are 3 things that helped me bench 600.
Raw bench work has always been hard of me. I am not a great raw bencher (My best raw is 308 in a meet. My best gym raw bench is 335.), so I have to find ways to lift heaver weights raw in order to get good carryover for my shirt work.
Anytime wrote
This is an article I came across while reading Pling articles, thought it would be interesting for this thread. I’m not going to name the PLer this time, because thats not the point, don’t really know what the point is, but 100% increase in weight from gear, just blows my mind. I just grabbed two quotes, but the whole article is over at RTS, great PLing info there, for geared, and ungeared. Latter[/quote]
I mean I don’t know what weight class the person is but it seems like the average person could train for 6 years and bench better than 308 raw… Let alone however long that person has lifted before they hit 400 or whatever they were at before 500 in terms of their milestone markers…
I can’t post links anymore, but it’s an article at RTS, Mike Tuchscherer’s web sight, ‘‘How I benched 600’’ in the archives. Anyway I don’t think this is typical, just thought it was interesting, and fit with the discussion we were having on this thread. The jist of the article was this guy is a bench only champ, who squats, and deads around 500lbs.
His whole focus is setting a record in the geared bench, so it dosen’t really apply to most PLer’s, but when I read that he was getting 100% from his gear, I’d thought I’d throw it up here, I doubt you’d find anyone that gets more out of they’re gear, than doubling the weight they lift, but I’m not an expert on geared lifting, it just blew my mind, being able to put a shirt on, and doubling the weight you can lift. Also being proud of that fact, and calling yourself a great bencher. It just blows my mind.
My raw bench right now is 350lbs, so I’m wondering if with the right shirt, I could bench 700LBs, I realize there’s more than just putting on the gear, but it makes you wonder.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I can’t post links anymore, but it’s an article at RTS, Mike Tuchscherer’s web sight, ‘‘How I benched 600’’ in the archives. Anyway I don’t think this is typical, just thought it was interesting, and fit with the discussion we were having on this thread. The jist of the article was this guy is a bench only champ, who squats, and deads around 500lbs.
His whole focus is setting a record in the geared bench, so it dosen’t really apply to most PLer’s, but when I read that he was getting 100% from his gear, I’d thought I’d throw it up here, I doubt you’d find anyone that gets more out of they’re gear, than doubling the weight they lift, but I’m not an expert on geared lifting, it just blew my mind, being able to put a shirt on, and doubling the weight you can lift. Also being proud of that fact, and calling yourself a great bencher. It just blows my mind.
My raw bench right now is 350lbs, so I’m wondering if with the right shirt, I could bench 700LBs, I realize there’s more than just putting on the gear, but it makes you wonder.[/quote]
I personally that is a special case. I know of a few guys at my gym that only get 60 pounds out of there shirt. They have lifted in gear for over a year so they would have the groove by now for the most part. Some people really cant lift raw. Also, geared lifting is just a different skill. So this guy may just know his gear really well. I’ve heard of some crazy numbers out of single ply shirts. Giving some guy 300 pounds on his bench almost 4. He was some guy from the islands, attempt 1012. Missed it but did hit like 985. I’ll see if i can find the video, but this is just an example. Some people just know gear really really well.
I’m just enjoying the discussion, not for, or against gear. I’m just getting back after a long layoff, and at some point may gravitate in that direction. I’ve honestly never watched multiply in person, but it looks like a lot of work, and a whole thing unto it’s self. When I brought this article to this thread, it’s because I thought it was unreal, and interesting, but I doubt this is typical.
I’ve heard 40-80lbs from a shirt, and this sounds more realistic. I will go back and find the name of the lifter, since this seems to be on the outside of whats possible from gear.
The Quest for 600
by Chad McMullin
In case it matters, i’m going to google, and see if there’s any footage. latter
[quote]Umbrata Fortis wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
No doubt that Dave Hoff is a strong motherfucker and he can move some serious weight, but that squat was absolute horse shit and everybody knows it. It shouldn’t have counted and he shouldn’t have gotten the record. This is why multi-ply lifting is retarded in my opinion (inb4 shit storm). Of course, you’ll hear people say, “It’s completely different and adds a whole other element to the sport,” which is correct, but still, let’s be honest.
Does anybody find squatting 1,200+ lbs. to 4" ABOVE parallel impressive in any way, shape, or form? I sure as hell don’t, and neither should anybody who gives to shits about this sport.
Don’t get me wrong, the bench and deadlift were legit lifts (even if they were done in multi-ply), but I still can’t get over the squat.
In my opinion, the most pure and unadulterated form of powerlifting is anything done in the IPF, USAPL, or USPF, where you walk your squats out, knee wraps aren’t allowed in the raw division, the judges are nazis when it comes to depth and bench pauses, and the most equipment you can use is single-ply.
I’d like to see how any of these Westside guys fare in any of the legit federations that I mentioned above. Just my $0.02.
inb4 tl;dr.
CS
[/quote]
So let me get this straight, you are going to bash all multi-ply squats because the judges cant call depth. You are going to hate on the fact that depth is miss called so multi-ply is bad to use. It is really easy for someone who hasn’t squatted 1200+ that they have no depth. I’m not saying the squat was good, I love Dave Hoff, talked to him over facebook super nice guy, and I don’t think that squat was legit at all. But, because the SPF has very lenient judges doesn’t mean all multi-ply lifting is bad. Just means we need new rules. Also we always bash on these insane weights that people do. This isn’t a challenge to the you CSeagle, but to everyone. I want you to step into a squat suit and even unrack 1200 pounds and not want to cry like a little bitch.
This post is all over the place I get really aggravated when people bash multi-ply lifting.[/quote]
99% are. the exceptions are the ones to depth