In Defense of Professor X

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]

Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.[/quote]

Good for you. Unless you physically train together though I don’t see the point, especially if you are using this site as the medium.[/quote]

We have trained together and we met on this website 3 years ago. Who do you think made the brotherhood of iron subforum here, “famous”? We used to post in there all the time until a little over a year ago. We moved it to facebook because our posts were taking 8 hours to show up.

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[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Arem wrote:
an actual college lineman (in particular DE’s and anyone who held down a 3-4 scheme at NG) who have MORE than 220 lbs of lbm.

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Not at 5% bodyfat… ; )

I’ve yet to see a natural BB at 220 (or more as you say) lbs onstage, much less 220 of purely LBM. [/quote]

Are you serious? If Prof X were to compete he would weigh more than 220. You should probably set your goals a little higher seeing that you believe 220 pounds at 5% bf is impossible for a natural. Maybe that’s why you look so damn average after “20 years of training”[/quote]

Maybe - but why then do the BEST natural bodybuilders in the world only compete at less than 200 lbs. Cordova (167 or so) Whitacre (165), etc…

Also, I never said it was impossible, just that I haven’t seen it. In any sample space there will always be statistical outliers, but all these 220 + lbs natural bodybuilders at 5% BF - where are they? Can you link me to some info on them?

Also, you have absolutely no way to know for certain whether X is natural - you brought him up, not me, but if you can honestly say you know for CERTAIN, beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s natural, then so be it. I’ll remain skeptical about that…

I mean, I know my 20 years of training clearly doesn’t mean anything since I look like such shit, but in my experience I haven’t seen a lot of 290 lb men at average height with 20+ inch arms that are natural - especially at under 20% bodyfat.

BTW, thanks for the personal attack. I’m sure that was necessary seeing how I have ever said fuck-all to you about anything.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]

Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.[/quote]

Good for you. Unless you physically train together though I don’t see the point, especially if you are using this site as the medium.[/quote]

We have trained together and we met on this website 3 years ago. Who do you think made the brotherhood of iron subforum here, “famous”? We used to post in there all the time until a little over a year ago. We moved it to facebook because our posts were taking 8 hours to show up.[/quote]

Thats all well and good. The whole purpose of this forum is for people to HELP each other and get bigger or stronger. Its good to see people achieving goals.

However, the problem (for me atleast) comes in your attitude towards it which has evidently lended a hand in pushing a knowledgeable poster away. You truly do appear to think you are the cool kids at school with their secret club.

I don’t think I am getting across what I mean very well, but basically I couldn’t care less about your secret club and how great you all are. T NATION should be one and not subdivided into cliques. No matter how gay that sounds.

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[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]

Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.[/quote]

Good for you. Unless you physically train together though I don’t see the point, especially if you are using this site as the medium.[/quote]

We have trained together and we met on this website 3 years ago. Who do you think made the brotherhood of iron subforum here, “famous”? We used to post in there all the time until a little over a year ago. We moved it to facebook because our posts were taking 8 hours to show up.[/quote]

Thats all well and good. The whole purpose of this forum is for people to HELP each other and get bigger or stronger. Its good to see people achieving goals.

However, the problem (for me atleast) comes in your attitude towards it which has evidently lended a hand in pushing a knowledgeable poster away. You truly do appear to think you are the cool kids at school with their secret club.

I don’t think I am getting across what I mean very well, but basically I couldn’t care less about your secret club and how great you all are. Tnation should be one and not subdivided into cliques. No matter how gay that sounds.
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How did I push him away? Because I disagreed with him on the fact he was willing to take on faith that a natural trainee can incline bench press 495 for 15 reps and that those of us saying it was BS were clueless and just trying to stir up shit? Right. If someone is such a baby that they are going to run away from the site because of some disagreement that’s not my problem. How many people do you think X has run off this website with his abrasive attitude?

I didn’t even bring up the facebook group, CB did. I added to it because he seems to think that those in it are scrubs when in fact they make up those with some the greatest potential that T NATION has to offer. Are there plenty of awesome trainee’s here? yah. It’s as much a social group as it is a lifting group. Blame the mods for us moving to facebook. We got all sorts of threads and posts deleted back in the early days of the BOI on this site. Why would we not seek other channels when it took 8 hours to communicate over this forum?

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[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]

Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.[/quote]

Good for you. Unless you physically train together though I don’t see the point, especially if you are using this site as the medium.[/quote]

We have trained together and we met on this website 3 years ago. Who do you think made the brotherhood of iron subforum here, “famous”? We used to post in there all the time until a little over a year ago. We moved it to facebook because our posts were taking 8 hours to show up.[/quote]

Thats all well and good. The whole purpose of this forum is for people to HELP each other and get bigger or stronger. Its good to see people achieving goals.

However, the problem (for me atleast) comes in your attitude towards it which has evidently lended a hand in pushing a knowledgeable poster away. You truly do appear to think you are the cool kids at school with their secret club.

I don’t think I am getting across what I mean very well, but basically I couldn’t care less about your secret club and how great you all are. T NATION should be one and not subdivided into cliques. No matter how gay that sounds.
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Good post.
I had no clue we had a bunch of guys on this board running around like a clique filled with preppy school kids piling on in these past few months during discussions. It explains quite a lot. Your post was what I was getting at months back.

Apparently, everyone who felt their feelings got hurt (like Nards and his quads or Skynett if I ever questioned how serious he is) jumped in at the same time.

As far as Lewhitehurst, people who would rather start a 15 page thread to call someone out instead of simply brush off whatever they disagree with and keep what they can in favor of the bigger picture isn’t a very wise person.

This board didn’t “disagree” with him. It fucking attacked him for it as if nothing else mattered that he ever wrote. I don’t care where you are from, but that is fucking wrong.

There are too many people who are way too disrespectful in that regard to people who have way more life experience than they have…then they turn around and wonder why they leave.

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“piggybacking”? Yah…when you talk nonsense you are going to have a bunch of people saying it’s BS, why is that surprising?

Please tell me all these experienced people that “we” have caused to disappear, please. LWH was a cool guy, but sorry, you don’t get to claim a WR lift without proof. If you can’t handle that, don’t post it. Any others?

Perhaps, a white guy if you don’t mind? lol. I forgot you put me on ignore though since you couldn’t handle the heat so I don’t expect an answer.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

As far as Lewhitehurst, people who would rather start a 15 page thread to call someone out instead of simply brush off whatever they disagree with and keep what they can in favor of the bigger picture isn’t a very wise person.

This board didn’t “disagree” with him. It fucking attacked him for it as if nothing else mattered that he ever wrote. I don’t care where you are from, but that is fucking wrong.

There are too many people who are way too disrespectful in that regard to people who have way more life experience than they have…then they turn around and wonder why they leave.
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The problem wasnt caused by a disagreement or a ‘disagreement’ (whatever the difference is??). It was with the fact that he told a bold faced lie. HE LIED when he said he could incline barbell press 495 pounds for 6 to 15 reps.

HE LIED

“THAT is fucking wrong”

You know what’s disrespectful? Saying youre the strongest person IN THE WORLD at the incline bench press and then “telling” people to fuck off when they kindly ask for proof, as if the people asking are too stupid/new/insignificant to even deserve a response.

The clown should have included a trollface.jpg with his response and everything would have been fine and dandy.

And for good measure. You are SOLE reason Im not a puny little average gym goer (I dont think Im anything special but Im definitely not that). Reading your posts circa 2006-09 are the only reason I learned what it takes to make progress.

With that said, despite what some meme’s say about you, YOU ARENT JESUS. You are fallible. You have been wrong about so many things in the past 6 months it’s become a complete comedy act. Get over it. Obviously youre afraid of being laughed at for making a mistake. But instead of manning up and admitting a mistake you just act like a bitch getting overly defensive in the most feminine way possible.

I really wished you would have stayed away from posting for a bit longer until you leaned up. I really want to see you get ripped and shut people up for doubting you. Because that will be imperssive and it will be amazing to see how big your ego can actually blow up if you actually do make that sort of progress. I can only imagine that T NATION will be renamed X-nation, and that will be sweet.

Now Ill go back to studying for finals. Carry on T NATION.

btw KingBeef is in the fb group. U mad?

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When a person:

  1. Needs to STAND OUT above all else

and

  1. Will never admit to being in the wrong, or even acknowledge that the other side of any given debate even has a POINT…

People will get fed up at being talked down to. Even by a guy with such incredibly impressive results. The sad thing is that 99% of T NATION is cheering him on and wants to see him win a contest, yet he can’t see past the fact that he has lost his stranglehold on the BB forum.

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What I find funniest in this thread, is that I have now found out there is a group of people who are supposedly the lifters with the most potential.

I can’t wait till all of them realize there are actually other people on the planet/T NATION who can actually make progress.

Fucking hilarious.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Guess what CB, maybe some of those other members you listed contacted me privately and shared their thoughts. Maybe they didn’t want to join absurdity of some of those threads so decided to share it via email or PM’s. Did you consider that?[/quote]

Maybe they did. And if they did, you should have said so… Because all I can draw my conclusions from is what I saw, and I didn’t see anyone that didn’t post in the facebook BOI doing any of the ‘call outs’. I’m not going to assume things happened, I’ve been around too long and too much shit to assume too much anymore…

Look I’m not attacking you here, so don’t get that impression. I agree with some of things you said in the threads in question for sure. I agree with a lot of the criticism you have of X. I also agree with a lot of what he said since my time on this site, and a lot of his defenses.

No, I didn’t notice him bringing race into the equation. You are actually the one that keeps bringing it up.

My son is biracial. I must certainly have a race problem. lol…

Stop projecting dude, lol. I was pretty upset when you guys left. This site lost a great core group of intermediate lifters at that point, and hasn’t fully recovered. (hence part of the reason I’m speak out against the “anti-X” campaign on this site the last while.)

You are crazy if you think I was disparaging you, or anyone that is a member of that group lol. I was simply pointing out the fact your statement, based on the facts presented was false. And you can’t prove it wasn’t false by trying to turn this into me putting you down. I didn’t put anyone down. I simply made an observation.

[quote]For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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How is their race relevant to anything?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
CB did. I added to it because he seems to think that those in it are scrubs when in fact they make up those with some the greatest potential that T NATION has to offer. [/quote]

LOL. If that is the way my post came across, than I fully apologize.

That is certainly not what I was trying to say, at all, lol.

I was just pointing out your post about vets calling him out, was actually the facebook BOI guys calling him out from what I saw, and other people I consider vets were not taking part in the back and forth.

That isn’t a put down, call out, or in anyway trying to say you or anyone is lesser to anything.

Shit

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I guess my reason for even becoming a member and taking part in the forum is different than the rest. I like to hear how other people train and eat, and occassionally comment on their acheivements or answer questions. THATS IT!! I can look past the BS or off color crap just as I would if I were in a gym without being a rude asshole. I now remember ONE of the reasons I started training at home.

DISCLAIMER: Sorry if this offends ANYONE.

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It’s not like anybody is keeping X from posting. He’s simply being treated similarly to the way he has treated everybody else for many years. When you’re as confrontational as he is, you’re going to be confronted. I hope he sticks around, but I don’t feel any pity for him. If he learns to be less confrontational, he’ll quickly bounce back to God-like status here. It’s completely up to him.

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good lord people

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damn I thought the OP said ‘Artem’. ;[

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[quote]BruceLeeFan wrote:
What I find funniest in this thread, is that I have now found out there is a group of people who are supposedly the lifters with the most potential.

I can’t wait till all of them realize there are actually other people on the planet/T NATION who can actually make progress.

Fucking hilarious.[/quote]

reading your posts for the past few years, trust me your not one of them.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
but nearly every vet 9(aside from prof X and his older black friends on these boards) was calling bullshit at nearly every post these past few months. [/quote]

A) Why does race make its way into every post you have about the man? Does it really bother you that much?

B) That statement is false and you know it. Replace “vet” with “facebook BOI guys” and it is accurate. I didn’t see C_C, MODOK, Bithwell, etc etc etc. Not that I don’t think you guys should have said what was said or whatever, I’m staying out of it, but lets be honest here… Don’t make it out to be something it wasn’t.
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Guess what CB, maybe some of those other members you listed contacted me privately and shared their thoughts. Maybe they didn’t want to join absurdity of some of those threads so decided to share it via email or PM’s. Did you consider that? I’m not talking out my ass here. If you can’t see that he brings race into it on his own, that’s your problem.

The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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on a technicality we have 3

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[quote]Arem wrote:
There are many, many natural lifters sitting on 220 lbs of LBM.

Where do you lift, planet fitness? Walk into any college gym and you can find former highschool lineman putting big numbers up at big weights while staying natural. [/quote]

  1. Has used prohormones/designer steroids =/= Natural. Professor X has posted in the past that he has used the OLD MAG-10, which was a steroid.

  2. There has never been a natural (who was actually natural) competitive bodybuilder with 220 lbs of LBM at a low bodyfat and average height. NEVER. You can throw up as many pictures of 300 lb football players with 20%+ bodyfat as you like. It’s totally irrelevant to the amount of LBM they would carry if they bothered to get lean and didn’t use drugs to spare the LBM.

  3. You can talk all you want about how much LBM you think you’re carrying based off of how much bodyfat you think you have. The reality is that you are probably overestimating the amount of fat you would have to lose to be lean and you are probably underestimating the amount of LBM that would be lost with that fat dieting without drugs. It’s pretty easy to be 30%+ bf and rationalize your way to thinking that you’re only 18-20%. It’s hard to admit that 50+ lbs of that weight you worked so hard to put on is fat.

  4. You can keep pumping yourself and others up with inflated dreams about how if they work hard, take their vitamins, and say their prayers, they can have pro/top amateur level size and leanness without drugs. Keep lying to yourself, because it’s not going to happen. Why do you think Professor X has never made it through one of this many attempts at dieting? Truth is that most people have no concept of how ENORMOUS 210+ lbs of (in shape) stage weight is for a person of normal height because they’re the biggest person in their gym and have never really been around lean individuals who are that large, just like they think every giant lean dude that they come across claiming to be natural is telling the truth because they’ve never been around that same kind of person when they talk about how much shit they’re ACTUALLY using.

I’m posting a picture of the HW class from last year’s Nationals. All of these guys weigh BELOW 225 lbs on stage. That means in terms of LBM, they’re around 215-220 lbs LBM. I will put as much money as you would like on NONE of them being natural.

Ask any legitimately big guy with low bodyfat. They understand both what it takes to put that kind of size on, AND what taking the fat off actually entails, with and without drugs. Someone like Professor X isn’t going to have an understanding of what dieting down from 270+ lbs really means because he’s never done it himself. I’m sure Waylander could provide more insight on this than most.

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[quote]jwesus wrote:

[quote]BruceLeeFan wrote:
What I find funniest in this thread, is that I have now found out there is a group of people who are supposedly the lifters with the most potential.

I can’t wait till all of them realize there are actually other people on the planet/T NATION who can actually make progress.

Fucking hilarious.[/quote]

reading your posts for the past few years, trust me your not one of them.[/quote]

Damn. Well played.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Shontayne wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]

Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.[/quote]

Good for you. Unless you physically train together though I don’t see the point, especially if you are using this site as the medium.[/quote]

We have trained together and we met on this website 3 years ago. Who do you think made the brotherhood of iron subforum here, “famous”? We used to post in there all the time until a little over a year ago. We moved it to facebook because our posts were taking 8 hours to show up.[/quote]

Thats all well and good. The whole purpose of this forum is for people to HELP each other and get bigger or stronger. Its good to see people achieving goals.

However, the problem (for me atleast) comes in your attitude towards it which has evidently lended a hand in pushing a knowledgeable poster away. You truly do appear to think you are the cool kids at school with their secret club.

I don’t think I am getting across what I mean very well, but basically I couldn’t care less about your secret club and how great you all are. Tnation should be one and not subdivided into cliques. No matter how gay that sounds.
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How did I push him away? Because I disagreed with him on the fact he was willing to take on faith that a natural trainee can incline bench press 495 for 15 reps and that those of us saying it was BS were clueless and just trying to stir up shit? Right. If someone is such a baby that they are going to run away from the site because of some disagreement that’s not my problem. How many people do you think X has run off this website with his abrasive attitude?

I didn’t even bring up the facebook group, CB did. I added to it because he seems to think that those in it are scrubs when in fact they make up those with some the greatest potential that T NATION has to offer. Are there plenty of awesome trainee’s here? yah. It’s as much a social group as it is a lifting group. Blame the mods for us moving to facebook. We got all sorts of threads and posts deleted back in the early days of the BOI on this site. Why would we not seek other channels when it took 8 hours to communicate over this forum?[/quote]

Why have you even brought this up with me?
Why would I blame the mods for you moving?

As I said I couldn’t care less about your BOI scouts club, it doesn’t matter to me that you’ve sought another medium for your discussion. It’s perfectly logical that you would.

However, you have missed the point I am making. The point I am trying to get across to you is that most of these discussions have turned into attacks (for want of a better word). For instance, what used to be a fair discussion is often turned into PersonA says something, PersonB disagrees, all of PersonAs friends join in to shout down PersonB.

Perhaps you will disagree with this. But look at this thread even. Atleast 3 members of your group have rushed in to support you. Thats not so much a problem in itself when a logical argument is brought forward. However, comments such as:

Who does this kid think he is?