[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m not sure what your point is here in relation to your post about 220 lbs LBM and not being natural.[/quote]
He’s been trolling every thread with PX’s name in it since he joined.
Dude’s a sackless clown. Shitty/boring troll too.
[quote]Arem wrote:
From a BB perspective guys like X are invaluable and they need them. Between his perspective on BBing and Bonez+BBB’s knowledge on gear and the knowledge of other vets, their simply isnt a forum like this.
Just my .02
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Thanks but my name doesnt belong in the same sentence as BBB. Maybe you meant Bill Roberts? Those two know 1000x more than I do.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Arem wrote:
From a BB perspective guys like X are invaluable and they need them. Between his perspective on BBing and Bonez+BBB’s knowledge on gear and the knowledge of other vets, their simply isnt a forum like this.
Just my .02
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Thanks but my name doesnt belong in the same sentence as BBB. Maybe you meant Bill Roberts? Those two know 1000x more than I do. [/quote]
True, Bill Roberts is a fucking expert, at the same time you corrected a major misconception I had over Nolvadex so I suppose your knowledge and upfront personality always come to mind.
Basically my point is this. Does he start shit? Yes. But is there a degree of information to his posts? Yes. Hes an impressive example of what can be done naturally with a very concentrated effort.
Although, I agree that if he were to tone down some of his more aggressive posts that people would be more willing to accept his useful information.
And on another point, from what I’ve seen there are quite a few long time posters that have left (flame my join date if you want) but from what I’ve seen Prisoner etc. are gone. What would t-muscle/nation be without the mainstays?
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM. [/quote]
This is false.
That is unless you forgot to add a height distinction in there, like There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM and was under 5 feet.[/quote]
Another classic line: 170 pounds ain’t big unless we’re talking about a guy who’s 4’11", and anyone on this site pushing less than 250 ain’t big or impressive. [/quote]
There are many, many natural lifters sitting on 220 lbs of LBM.
Where do you lift, planet fitness? Walk into any college gym and you can find former highschool lineman putting big numbers up at big weights while staying natural.
[quote]Arem wrote:
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM. [/quote]
This is false.
That is unless you forgot to add a height distinction in there, like There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM and was under 5 feet.[/quote]
Another classic line: 170 pounds ain’t big unless we’re talking about a guy who’s 4’11", and anyone on this site pushing less than 250 ain’t big or impressive. [/quote]
There are many, many natural lifters sitting on 220 lbs of LBM.
Where do you lift, planet fitness? Walk into any college gym and you can find former highschool lineman putting big numbers up at big weights while staying natural. [/quote]
I said there are naturals sitting on 220 pounds LBM.
There are college aged males putting up big numbers.
OK.
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
[quote]Arem wrote:
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM. [/quote]
This is false.
That is unless you forgot to add a height distinction in there, like There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM and was under 5 feet.[/quote]
Another classic line: 170 pounds ain’t big unless we’re talking about a guy who’s 4’11", and anyone on this site pushing less than 250 ain’t big or impressive. [/quote]
There are many, many natural lifters sitting on 220 lbs of LBM.
Where do you lift, planet fitness? Walk into any college gym and you can find former highschool lineman putting big numbers up at big weights while staying natural. [/quote]
I said there are naturals sitting on 220 pounds LBM.
There are college aged males putting up big numbers.
OK. [/quote]
“There has never been a natural lifter with more than 220 or so pounds of LBM.” Thats what you said
When I stated there were many naturals sitting on 220 pounds I was implying that since there were plenty of naturals sitting on 220 that there are also naturals with more than 220 lbs of lbm. Sorry you didn’t get it.
And to further my original point, if you walk into any college gym you will find former highschool lineman and god forbid you lift in the athlete’s gym and see an actual college lineman (in particular DE’s and anyone who held down a 3-4 scheme at NG) who have MORE than 220 lbs of lbm.
OK?
OK.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
but nearly every vet 9(aside from prof X and his older black friends on these boards) was calling bullshit at nearly every post these past few months. [/quote]
A) Why does race make its way into every post you have about the man? Does it really bother you that much?
B) That statement is false and you know it. Replace “vet” with “facebook BOI guys” and it is accurate. I didn’t see C_C, MODOK, Bithwell, etc etc etc. Not that I don’t think you guys should have said what was said or whatever, I’m staying out of it, but lets be honest here… Don’t make it out to be something it wasn’t.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
To be honest, I think Professor X can defend himself!
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Dude, no. Not when it is poster after poster piling on, 95% of whom contribute nothing to the BB forum, or contribute nothing anymore. Some of us miss the guy, and want him to post again. However “flawed” it may be.
Do I agree with some of the criticism? Of course, he said a lot of things to rile people up on purpose.
But just like everyone that doesn’t help people around here can have an opinion, the people that want him around should be able to speak too. (Without the ‘cool kids’ calling them nut swingers would be nice too.)[/quote]
Very good post…and I have to say, thank you for even attempting to help me. I appreciate it. The wrong info and pure crap floating around lately is why everyone else has either left or decreased their posting. Many of these people would rather bitch even if it means everyone from Mad Titan to Bwhitwell to Lewhitehurst suddenly posts much less.
I will say this, one of the other docs on this board even supported the stance I took in Waylander’s own thread…to which he immediately wanted those posts removed. He doesn’t fair so well when it is just me and him. I also refuse to waste anymore time spending 15 pages having what I am saying twisted and argued by people who just like seeing their name on the screen. I take what I do seriously and no longer have time for this type of stuff.
But you know what, the simple fact that people are still bitching like this after I have only written 4 posts in two months means the problem here is nothing but them. No one is making them spend all of their time on T-Nation talking about me. They are doing it because they want to.
I told Nards his 25" quads were not that impressive and that he possibly thought they were because of the country he lives in. He apparently still can’t get over that. Truth hurts.
Once again, thank you for the post but it is pretty clear that things like this are a;ll these people want to spend their time on.
They will fuck up the forums to do it. At least they are successful.
The bad thing is things had actually been turning around for a while.
I have seen posters like Hungry4more and others literally blow up in the past few years among others…while some who seem to be crying the loudest have made much much lesser progress.
Maybe that is why they have so much time for things like this.
If this board really wanted to turn that around, more people would be speaking up.
I have seen posters like Hungry4more and others literally blow up in the past few years [/quote]
that sounds extremely dangerous.
On a serious note, X is a great guy no matter if you disagree or agree, its a fucking internet forum you all need to calm down, let each other say what the they want to say and rather than getting ina hissy fit over it, calmly dont take the advice if you dont like it and do if you do. The best part about forums is anyone can give advice, and that may also be the downfall.
To be completely honest I don’t think it would be the same here without X, I started reading here in 2003 so I’ve been around a while despite not posting a great deal.
However, someone as confrontational and opinionated as X, with his tendency to assert his opinion with a high level of intolerance, abruptness and downright rudeness is going to make a bit of a name for himself whilst attracting negative press.
Can anyone find a post where he has admitted to being even close to wrong? He would just argue for the sake of it even when his position was barely tenable, he showed little or no respect for peoples opinions if he thought differently, and wouldn’t even acknowledge that someone else might have a fair point even if his point of view was not the same. In his last argument he resorted to blocking the guy because he couldn’t win.
Yes, X has contributed a great deal here and maybe his policing has ‘regulated’ the forum without us realizing, I read and post here because the standard of knowledge is much higher I believe than any other forum/site of this kind, just take a look at another sites steroid forum and you’ll soon see!
I also agree that X is a highly accomplished BBer who has, as we all know doubled his body weight, and I respect and admire him for that, props to him. He has also shared all of his knowledge, and one his most admirable traits, one that maybe we don’t appreciate is that (I believe at least) is that he genuinely wants to see people here progress, he loves BBing, he fucking eats sleeps and breathes it! And he encourages people to do the same, in this respect I can see how he would lambaste anyone who assumes a lackadaisical approach, then wonders why they don’t progress. So to conclude, I admire X’s passion and dedication, and his contributions.
Do I believe he is natural? No, sorry. Does that mean I have any less respect for him? Of course not, I’m just expressing honesty in a way he likes to do so, I appreciate that by ‘publicly admitting’ to steroid use on here when he has posted pictures of his face could land him in trouble and I respect his right to privacy, I would never ever have disclosed so much about myself on here if I had posted pictures exposing my identity.
X is a hell of a BBer, and a real individual to say the least. He genuinely wants others to succeed and he is prepared to share his knowledge with others- these are great attributes. Does this give him a license to communicate with others the way he does when he doesn’t agree with them or like what they say, without ruffling some feathers? Absolutely not.
And to be fair he did even start the ‘I hate X thread’ which was a kind of amnesty in which he agreed not to retaliate to people making fun of him. I’m not sure exactly what pushed him over the edge this time, how he thought someone here could claim a world class lift, for fifteen reps then not be expected to provide proof or even be called out was ridiculous, though on the other hand I admire him for defending his friend. I think it was that degree of flexibility on interpreting what people say that enraged so many people-someone claims to be big and strong, X wants pics-X’s friend claims world class lift and he doesn’t have to prove it because he is a BBer and X likes him.
In short, X is probably THE biggest contributor in this forum, EVERYONE knows who he is, and just remember guys, when YOU are 300LB’s, you are allowed to play by X’s rules on this forum!
LOL @ This Thread…
[quote]Arem wrote:
an actual college lineman (in particular DE’s and anyone who held down a 3-4 scheme at NG) who have MORE than 220 lbs of lbm.
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Not at 5% bodyfat… ; )
I’ve yet to see a natural BB at 220 (or more as you say) lbs onstage, much less 220 of purely LBM.
T NATION loves some drama
[quote]Mateus wrote:
LOL @ This Thread…
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In Defense of Magneto…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
but nearly every vet 9(aside from prof X and his older black friends on these boards) was calling bullshit at nearly every post these past few months. [/quote]
A) Why does race make its way into every post you have about the man? Does it really bother you that much?
B) That statement is false and you know it. Replace “vet” with “facebook BOI guys” and it is accurate. I didn’t see C_C, MODOK, Bithwell, etc etc etc. Not that I don’t think you guys should have said what was said or whatever, I’m staying out of it, but lets be honest here… Don’t make it out to be something it wasn’t.
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Guess what CB, maybe some of those other members you listed contacted me privately and shared their thoughts. Maybe they didn’t want to join absurdity of some of those threads so decided to share it via email or PM’s. Did you consider that? I’m not talking out my ass here. If you can’t see that he brings race into it on his own, that’s your problem.
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group!
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Arem wrote:
an actual college lineman (in particular DE’s and anyone who held down a 3-4 scheme at NG) who have MORE than 220 lbs of lbm.
[/quote]
Not at 5% bodyfat… ; )
I’ve yet to see a natural BB at 220 (or more as you say) lbs onstage, much less 220 of purely LBM. [/quote]
Are you serious? If Prof X were to compete he would weigh more than 220. You should probably set your goals a little higher seeing that you believe 220 pounds at 5% bf is impossible for a natural. Maybe that’s why you look so damn average after “20 years of training”
[quote]Shontayne wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]
Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
but nearly every vet 9(aside from prof X and his older black friends on these boards) was calling bullshit at nearly every post these past few months. [/quote]
A) Why does race make its way into every post you have about the man? Does it really bother you that much?
B) That statement is false and you know it. Replace “vet” with “facebook BOI guys” and it is accurate. I didn’t see C_C, MODOK, Bithwell, etc etc etc. Not that I don’t think you guys should have said what was said or whatever, I’m staying out of it, but lets be honest here… Don’t make it out to be something it wasn’t.
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Guess what CB, maybe some of those other members you listed contacted me privately and shared their thoughts. Maybe they didn’t want to join absurdity of some of those threads so decided to share it via email or PM’s. Did you consider that? I’m not talking out my ass here. If you can’t see that he brings race into it on his own, that’s your problem.
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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TWO minority spots!!!
Filling that quota…wooooooo
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Shontayne wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The “facebook boi” guys, no offense, are the 20-30 members of this site that have the most potential and who have a better grasp on bodybuilding then most anyone else on this site. So writing them off as insignificant would be wrong. For the record, we have 2 black guys from this board in our group as well.
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LOL your group! [/quote]
Yes, I’m a member of that group. What’s funny? We have a national level bodybuilder an elite level powerlifter and a number of other competitors all from this site under the age of 25 who are making insane progress.[/quote]
Good for you. Unless you physically train together though I don’t see the point, especially if you are using this site as the medium.