If You Put a Skinny Powerlifter on a BB Split?

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
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Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
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Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.
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ive seen very, very few people look like a bodybuilder without trying to.
thats not whats being discussed anyway. how can you say that just becuase a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, they may have there own reasons for being that size.

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I think there is no mystery involved here at all, if you understand what compound exercises are, what the key driving muscle groups involved in them are, what “mirror muscles” refers to, and what movement-specific CNS efficiency is.

We could try to phrase your question properly and create a thought experiment in which we move away from Pling/WLing (compound exercises) and focus on “perfect” isolation exercises, but that seems like unnecessary mental masturbation.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
[/quote]

Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.
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ive seen very, very few people look like a bodybuilder without trying to.
thats not whats being discussed anyway. how can you say that just becuase a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, they may have there own reasons for being that size.[/quote]

Yes, that is my point. These people would be freaks of nature, and even if they wanted to be small, they just plain couldn’t be, because lifting makes them blow up.

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I know a person who was very strong for his weight. For example he had 3xBW deadlift, but ofcourse he was very light. However, he decided to bulk up and gained tremendous amounts of muscle in about half a year. I think he gained around 30-40lbs in less than a year.

So yes, I would say that having a certain amount of base strength helps with building muscle. Because let’s face it, you have to be strong to be big. And I think, the stronger you are the bigger your body wants to be.

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Well I disagree with almost everything written here and I think its the progression of strenght that is important for building muscle not “how strong you are when you start”

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[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

jc… what do you mean these arnt good lifts?? what if the guy putting these up weighs 160? like to know what all you big guys weigh and your best lifting numbers.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
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Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.
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ive seen very, very few people look like a bodybuilder without trying to.
thats not whats being discussed anyway. how can you say that just becuase a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, they may have there own reasons for being that size.[/quote]

Yes, that is my point. These people would be freaks of nature, and even if they wanted to be small, they just plain couldn’t be, because lifting makes them blow up.

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Exactly. The guys with the best genetics for bodybuilding are the ones who get huge from the LEAST amount of work…not the ones who barely look like they lift while benching way more than average.

No one has argued that simply being small as a powerlifter makes you have bad genes for bodybuuilding.

It would seem Ryan is just confused again.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
[/quote]

Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.
[/quote]

ive seen very, very few people look like a bodybuilder without trying to.
thats not whats being discussed anyway. how can you say that just becuase a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, they may have there own reasons for being that size.[/quote]

Yes, that is my point. These people would be freaks of nature, and even if they wanted to be small, they just plain couldn’t be, because lifting makes them blow up.

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im sorry but no matter how good your genetics are you not going to get huge while trying to stay small.

im not confused X your exact words were “The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

if a powerlifter is trying to stary in class weight class on purpose, how can you tell how good his genetics for bodybuilding are when hes not even trying to be one. thats like saying ohh hes a soccer player he has shit genetics for oly lifting.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

im not confused X your exact words were “The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

if a powerlifter is trying to stary in class weight class on purpose, how can you tell how good his genetics for bodybuilding are when hes not even trying to be one. thats like saying ohh hes a soccer player he has shit genetics for oly lifting.[/quote]

?? Dude, please post pics of yourself. This level of confusion implies total failure in your understanding of the entire lifestyle of bodybuilding.

Once again, in some hypothetical situation, the guys with the best genetics for building the biggest muscles would NOT be the guys lifting giant weights yet staying small.

People with great genetics would NOT BE IN THE SMALLEST WEIGHT CLASSES. Why? Because they naturally got huge from limited effort.

Please, kid…just stop. You are making yourself look bad and the reality is, you would make more progress yourself if you quit thinking you knew so much.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
[/quote]

Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.
[/quote]

ive seen very, very few people look like a bodybuilder without trying to.
thats not whats being discussed anyway. how can you say that just becuase a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, they may have there own reasons for being that size.[/quote]

Yes, that is my point. These people would be freaks of nature, and even if they wanted to be small, they just plain couldn’t be, because lifting makes them blow up.

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im sorry but no matter how good your genetics are you not going to get huge while trying to stay small.

im not confused X your exact words were “The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

if a powerlifter is trying to stary in class weight class on purpose, how can you tell how good his genetics for bodybuilding are when hes not even trying to be one. thats like saying ohh hes a soccer player he has shit genetics for oly lifting.[/quote]

I gotta ask, what is your experience with powerlifting?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

I gotta ask, what is your experience with powerlifting?
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He read about it on the internet.

That is now just the same as having first hand experience.

Internet equalizer rules.

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[quote]spk wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

jc… what do you mean these arnt good lifts?? what if the guy putting these up weighs 160? like to know what all you big guys weigh and your best lifting numbers. [/quote]

I compete in the 181 class with a 502 squat, 336 bench and 601 dead, although these days I’m walking around at 198 since I don’t have a meet in site and am tired of cutting weight.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I compete in the 181 class with a 502 squat, 336 bench and 601 dead, although these days I’m walking around at 198 since I don’t have a meet in site and am tired of cutting weight.
[/quote]

nice numbers!

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I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying.

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[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

Simply being in a small weight class is not the issue. Once again, the guys LIFTING GIANT WEIGHTS, not simply the guys who exist in small weight classes, would be least likely to have the greatest genetics for bodybuilding.

Once again, this is about what is seen physically with the work being done. This is NOT about whether someone is simply small and happen to do powerlifting also.

Breaking out the crayons…I would assume the worlds record breakers in the LIGHTEST weights classes would have the lesser genetics for bodybuilding.

Honestly, if that needs more explanation, then some people just want to argue.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Honestly, if that needs more explanation, then some people just want to argue.[/quote]

Sums it up nicely I think

I used to come here to learn stuff and share experiences and ideas… Now I’m just confused and sad

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

im sorry but no matter how good your genetics are you not going to get huge while trying to stay small.

im not confused X your exact words were “The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

if a powerlifter is trying to stary in class weight class on purpose, how can you tell how good his genetics for bodybuilding are when hes not even trying to be one. thats like saying ohh hes a soccer player he has shit genetics for oly lifting.[/quote]

why do you start irrelevant arguments for no reason?

if a powerlifter got huge(instead of strong), they would have better BB genetics than someone who lifts the same amount and stayed small

anyway i thought this topic was about how fast a PLer would grow vs a similar sized bodybuilder, which hasn’t really been answered at all

a lot of people around here always recommend strength routines to beginners, which is kind of confusing. i guess some people here believe you have to start out as a powerlifter to become a bodybuilder.

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:
i guess some people here believe you have to start out as a powerlifter to become a bodybuilder.
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Which is where the problem lies. You don’t need to separate getting big and getting strong as a newb. You need to be working on BOTH unless you have some specific reason to avoid gaining any body weight at all.

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[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?