If You Put a Skinny Powerlifter on a BB Split?

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

im sorry but no matter how good your genetics are you not going to get huge while trying to stay small.

im not confused X your exact words were “The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

if a powerlifter is trying to stary in class weight class on purpose, how can you tell how good his genetics for bodybuilding are when hes not even trying to be one. thats like saying ohh hes a soccer player he has shit genetics for oly lifting.[/quote]

why do you start irrelevant arguments for no reason?

if a powerlifter got huge(instead of strong), they would have better BB genetics than someone who lifts the same amount and stayed small

anyway i thought this topic was about how fast a PLer would grow vs a similar sized bodybuilder, which hasn’t really been answered at all

a lot of people around here always recommend strength routines to beginners, which is kind of confusing. i guess some people here believe you have to start out as a powerlifter to become a bodybuilder.
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i didnt star this argument. i just asked X to simply explain something he wrote and then he went on to pretty much call me an idiot.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I like bacon.[/quote]

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what if you put a skinny guy who argues with Professor X on a BB split?

I think the cortisol levels would be too high and it’d be unsuccessful

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”

you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
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Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”

If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]

lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.

why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.

so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.

i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious. [/quote]

Wouldn’t someone who looks like a bodybuilder when they aren’t even trying to look like a bodybuilder therefore have much better genetics for bodybuilding compared to someone who has to train like a bodybuilder in order to look like one?

Like, to reverse the analogy, Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs or so the first time he even tried deadlifting. Without even trying to become the greatest deadlifter, he was already a good deadlifter, which meant that when he tried, he became the greatest. This would be opposed to someone who has to train everyday of their life with the goal of being a better deadlifter in order to lift less than Andy Bolton.
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ive seen very, very few people look like a bodybuilder without trying to.
thats not whats being discussed anyway. how can you say that just becuase a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, they may have there own reasons for being that size.[/quote]

Yes, that is my point. These people would be freaks of nature, and even if they wanted to be small, they just plain couldn’t be, because lifting makes them blow up.

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Exactly. The guys with the best genetics for bodybuilding are the ones who get huge from the LEAST amount of work…not the ones who barely look like they lift while benching way more than average.

No one has argued that simply being small as a powerlifter makes you have bad genes for bodybuuilding.

It would seem Ryan is just confused again.[/quote]
I haven’t done consistent arm work for two years and they’ve still grown

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.
[/quote]

uhh isnt sheiko based around alot of high volume low rep work with with the main movements + a bit of accessory work.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Please tell me a powerlifter that you know that maintains a constant caloric deficit…

I think I get what X means here (please correct me if I am mistaken). There is no reason to be skinny for your height in PLing. Since being skinny is not an advantage in PLing, why would someone who puts on lean mass easily try to stay in a low weight class, especially if he has to watch his diet much more carefully than others in order to maintain weight and will be competing against shorter, stockier people? He’s only shooting himself in the foot that way, especially when it would be so easy to move to a heavier weight class thanks to those great BBing genetics. It makes logical sense that a PLer who gains lean mass easily would tend to naturally gravitate towards a heavier weight class.

Ryan, I guess what you’re suggesting is possible, but not very realistic.

Did that make more sense to you?

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.
[/quote]

uhh isnt sheiko based around alot of high volume low rep work with with the main movements + a bit of accessory work.[/quote]

If you attempt sheiko while maintaining a constant caloric deficit you will die. Painfully and slowly.

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[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.
[/quote]

uhh isnt sheiko based around alot of high volume low rep work with with the main movements + a bit of accessory work.[/quote]

If you attempt sheiko while maintaining a constant caloric deficit you will die. Painfully and slowly.
[/quote]

Again in case you missed it.

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Please tell me a powerlifter that you know that maintains a constant caloric deficit…

I think I get what X means here (please correct me if I am mistaken). There is no reason to be skinny for your height in PLing. Since being skinny is not an advantage in PLing, why would someone who puts on lean mass easily try to stay in a low weight class, especially if he has to watch his diet much more carefully than others in order to maintain weight and will be competing against shorter, stockier people? He’s only shooting himself in the foot that way, especially when it would be so easy to move to a heavier weight class thanks to those great BBing genetics. It makes logical sense that a PLer who gains lean mass easily would tend to naturally gravitate towards a heavier weight class.

Ryan, I guess what you’re suggesting is possible, but not very realistic.

Did that make more sense to you?[/quote]

no ones has the genetics to gain massive amounts of muscle without trying.

there are lots of powerlifter that restrict themselves to certain weight classes for whatever reasons. what im arguing is that simply because powerlifter A competes in the 242 class and powerlifter B competes in the 198 class doesnt mean powerlifter B has worse genetics for bodybuilding. he may not want to be the size of a bodybuiler and perfers to stay leaner, that doesnt mean he couldnt be up in the 242’s if he wanted to.

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[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.
[/quote]

uhh isnt sheiko based around alot of high volume low rep work with with the main movements + a bit of accessory work.[/quote]

If you attempt sheiko while maintaining a constant caloric deficit you will die. Painfully and slowly.
[/quote]

Again in case you missed it.[/quote]

uhhh he was talking about the training protocol he didnt mention diet. in case you missed it :wink:

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.
[/quote]

uhh isnt sheiko based around alot of high volume low rep work with with the main movements + a bit of accessory work.[/quote]

If you attempt sheiko while maintaining a constant caloric deficit you will die. Painfully and slowly.
[/quote]

Again in case you missed it.[/quote]

uhhh he was talking about the training protocol he didnt mention diet. in case you missed it ;)[/quote]

You do not consider your diet to be a part of your training?

If that’s not the case, then remove the word training. If he follows that protocol, he will not have great success in powerlifting.

Again, what is your experience in powerlifting?

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:
I haven’t done consistent arm work for two years and they’ve still grown[/quote]

aren’t you 19 with like a 400lbs bench? I’d say guys like you are probably an exception, you and your damn elite level genetics

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
I think ryan is saying the little guys competing in a weight class limit energy intake (calories) to stay in a weight class, and his logic is probably that calories and kilocalories are units of energy, and that neither mass or energy can come into existence from nothing, but either one can be converted into the other. So that there isn’t any energy for the body to make the powerlifters who stay in a class could have great genetics to build muscle, but don’t have the energy for the mass. That is what I think he is saying, but I could be misunderstanding what he is saying. [/quote]

THIS! if a low weight great powerlifter purposefully tries to limit weight gain and stay small, how can tell what his genetics for muscle building are?

there are no genetic freaks that just blow up while trying to stay small, when your in a caloric deflict and not on juice you will not be growing much.

how about this you have a powerlifte competeing at 181lb

  • he is in a constant deflict because he wnats to stay at 181
  • trains with mostly compounds and does very little iso
  • majority of his training is done in the 5 and below rep range

tell me how you know for sure that this man has worse genetics for muscle building that someone larger?[/quote]

Based on that training protocol, he is not really going to do well in powerlifting, let alone bodybuilding.
[/quote]

uhh isnt sheiko based around alot of high volume low rep work with with the main movements + a bit of accessory work.[/quote]

If you attempt sheiko while maintaining a constant caloric deficit you will die. Painfully and slowly.
[/quote]

Again in case you missed it.[/quote]

uhhh he was talking about the training protocol he didnt mention diet. in case you missed it ;)[/quote]

You did.